NSW team lists and insults thread 2018

[Rabbitoad]

Where is your explanation about why me saying 'please no' is an ad hominem?

You tried to claim that was my attempt at belittling you which I swiftly countered and have had no reply to.

It was a snarky response and you know it.

Stop being so insecure

 

[big hit!]

Also he made the point Freddie is keen to play an team with plenty of points in it. So I expect Addo-Carr, Mitchell and Roberts all to be in the backline.

A lot of points against it too

 

[OldPanther]

It was a snarky response and you know it.

Stop being so insecure

You look the worst out of the conver.

A lot of points against it too

Having a defencive mindset hasn't helped yet. Worth a try to go the other way.

 

[Rabbitoad]

You look the worst out of the conver.

If that's how you see it, that says more about you than me mate.

 

[OldPanther]

If that's how you see it, that says more about you than me mate.

Are you new to online footy discussion? Not trying to be insulting.

As soon as I read his first reply to you I understood what was meant and I'd bet most people here would.

You got very defencive as if you were being attacked right from the go which started a drama instead of just discussing it.

 

[Rabbitoad]

Are you new to online footy discussion? Not trying to be insulting.

As soon as I read his first reply to you I understood what was meant and I'd bet most people here would.

You got very defencive as if you were being attacked right from the go which started a drama instead of just discussing it.

Again, I'm not surprised that a guy resorting to "are you new to online footy discussion" would relate to the guy spouting, "do you just never watch those games" and thinking that's a credible way of arguing your point.

You're entitled to your opinion, but you relating to the guy throwing a tantrum says more about you than it does about me.

 

[SBD82]

1 James Tedesco
2 Josh Addo-Carr
3 Euan Aitken
4 Latrell Mitchell
5 Blake Ferguson
6 James Maloney
7 Nathan Cleary
13 Jake Trbojevic
12 Tyson Frizzell
11 Boyd Cordner
10 Reegan Campbell-Gillard
9 Damien Cook
8 David Klemmer

14 Josh Jackson
15 Jack de Belin
16 Tariq Sims
17 Paul Vaughan

Use RCG and Klemmer to start as they have rep footy experience, then bring on de Belin and Vaughan to replace them when the game opens up a bit.

Jackson gets the 14 in place of Wade Graham. Can cover centres or 5/8 if there's an injury.

If not he plays right edge, Sims plays left to interchange with Cordner/Frizzell.

The backline picks itself on form.

I don't think there's much value in having Jackson in the squad. He is versatile but he is not nearly the best option in any of the positions that he can play.

His best position is on the right edge, but he is a long way behind other edge backrowers, and if he doesn't make it in his preferred position based on merit, I don't see any reason to include him.

I see him as similar to Pearce. A guy who you would want at your club because he has the consistency required to deliver a solid performance each week, but he doesn't have it in him to make the step up when required.

 

[big hit!]

Having a defencive mindset hasn't helped yet. Worth a try to go the other way.

not advocating a defensive mindset, but surely, representative players need to be capable of both rather than be great at one and poor at the other. particularly centres and edge forwards. they've got the little crafty blokes in between them so really have to be strong on both sides of the ball. it's why guys like Gillett, Inglis, Chambers, etc have been considered elite over the years. they can score them, and they can stop them.

 

[SBD82]

not advocating a defensive mindset, but surely, representative players need to be capable of both rather than be great at one and poor at the other. particularly centres and edge forwards. they've got the little crafty blokes in between them so really have to be strong on both sides of the ball. it's why guys like Gillett, Inglis, Chambers, etc have been considered elite over the years. they can score them, and they can stop them.

This is one of the reasons that I am surprised to see so many people picking aitken at right centre.

He's been doing really well this year, especially in attack. But he still has some defensive deficiencies that he needs to address before he is considered to take on QLD.

 

[big hit!]

1 James Tedesco
2 Josh Addo-Carr
3 Euan Aitken
4 Latrell Mitchell
5 Blake Ferguson
6 James Maloney
7 Nathan Clearly
13 Jake Trbojevic
12 Tyson Frizzell
11 Boyd Cordner
10 Reegan Campbell-Gillard
9 Damien Cook
8 David Klemmer

14 Josh Jackson
15 Jack de Belin
16 Tariq Sims
17 Paul Vaughan

Use RCG and Klemmer to start as they have rep footy experience, then bring on de Belin and Vaughan to replace them when the game opens up a bit.

Jackson gets the 14 in place of Wade Graham. Can cover centres or 5/8 if there's an injury.

If not he plays right edge, Sims plays left to interchange with Cordner/Frizzell.

The backline picks itself on form.

I agree DeBelin and Vaughan should be on the park together, and having them on the back half of the 1st and early in the 2nd makes the NSW rotation look strong. I'm not too fussed whether they start or on the bench, but they should be working together.

I don't think Klemmer will disappoint. He was one of the best middle forwards for NSW last series, albeit, in the rotation rather than a starter. If he's the player he thinks and we want him to be, then he has to man up as an Origin starter at some point.

I think Cook has to be in the acting half. Not just saying that as a Souths fan, but I have had the luxury of watching him. If the NSW forwards can do their job, then Cook will be damaging. The Burgess twins are actually holding onto the pill again for the first time since 2014 and making metres which Cook is lapping up. NSW forwards need to do same.

Can't agree with you re Jackson.

I prefer Aitken at right centre to Roberts. Has a better defensive game and not much of step down in attack, if any. Will have Frizell inside him like at club, so a lot on this edge will come down to their link with the right side half.

And on that, is Cleary really going to be ready for Origin. Hasn't been named for Penrith this week which only gives him 2 games if he returns next week. Surely need more games in the young fella before his debut origin.

 

[Rabbitoad]

I don't think there's much value in having Jackson in the squad. He is versatile but he is not nearly the best option in any of the positions that he can play.

His best position is on the right edge, but he is a long way behind other edge backrowers, and if he doesn't make it in his preferred position based on merit, I don't see any reason to include him.

I see him as similar to Pearce. A guy who you would want at your club because he has the consistency required to deliver a solid performance each week, but he doesn't have it in him to make the step up when required.

I'd prefer Wade Graham (injured) or Jack Bird (overweight/poor form), but they're a bit short on options.

Tyrone Peachey is probably worth thinking about for that spot too (blanked on him last night).

As for Pearce, he got exposed because he's a one dimensional player.

A halfback that doesn't direct the team around the park and has a sub standard kicking game.

One dimensional players get exposed at higher levels, always have (which is also why I don't want McInnes in the team)

 

[Rabbitoad]

I agree DeBelin and Vaughan should be on the park together, and having them on the back half of the 1st and early in the 2nd makes the NSW rotation look strong. I'm not too fussed whether they start or on the bench, but they should be working together.

I don't think Klemmer will disappoint. He was one of the best middle forwards for NSW last series, albeit, in the rotation rather than a starter. If he's the player he thinks and we want him to be, then he has to man up as an Origin starter at some point.

I think Cook has to be in the acting half. Not just saying that as a Souths fan, but I have had the luxury of watching him. If the NSW forwards can do their job, then Cook will be damaging. The Burgess twins are actually holding onto the pill again for the first time since 2014 and making metres which Cook is lapping up. NSW forwards need to do same.

Can't agree with you re Jackson.

I prefer Aitken at right centre to Roberts. Has a better defensive game and not much of step down in attack, if any. Will have Frizell inside him like at club, so a lot on this edge will come down to their link with the right side half.

And on that, is Cleary really going to be ready for Origin. Hasn't been named for Penrith this week which only gives him 2 games if he returns next week. Surely need more games in the young fella before his debut origin.

I'm backing Cleary to return strongly at this stage.

If he doesn't, it's a toss up between Blake Green and Cody Walker for mine.

Would much rather the Maloney/Cleary combo though

 

[big hit!]

I'd prefer Wade Graham (injured) or Jack Bird (overweight/poor form), but they're a bit short on options.

Tyrone Peachey is probably worth thinking about for that spot too (blanked on him last night).

As for Pearce, he got exposed because he's a one dimensional player.

A halfback that doesn't direct the team around the park and has a sub standard kicking game.

One dimensional players get exposed at higher levels, always have (which is also why I don't want McInnes in the team)

Bird should press Bennett to be a #13. It's probably going to be a position he is best suited in future re his size, mobility, and can be a handy ball player in the guts of the field. With regard to rep footy, I'd say he'd give JTrb and DeBelin some competition in future seasons.

Wade is too ill-disciplined for me, whether in available or not. Pearce's rep career should be done.

Agreed re McInnes. Acting half has been a tough position over the years, particularly when you compare them to the future immortal QLD have got at that position. I think Cook can be a real nuisance around the ruck with his speed. He doesn't just go for it willy nilly either. But as I wrote above, a lot will depend on the forwards here.

 

[Springs09]

This is one of the reasons that I am surprised to see so many people picking aitken at right centre.

He's been doing really well this year, especially in attack. But he still has some defensive deficiencies that he needs to address before he is considered to take on QLD.

From what I've seen he is a better defender than Roberts or Mitchell, who are both turnstiles when off their game, especially Roberts.

Aitken's not only in good form but we are also running out of options. Dugan, Ferguson & Hayne in my opinion have been undeserved automatic picks in recent years and have let us down too many times.

 

[SBD82]

I'd prefer Wade Graham (injured) or Jack Bird (overweight/poor form), but they're a bit short on options.

Tyrone Peachey is probably worth thinking about for that spot too (blanked on him last night).

As for Pearce, he got exposed because he's a one dimensional player.

A halfback that doesn't direct the team around the park and has a sub standard kicking game.

One dimensional players get exposed at higher levels, always have (which is also why I don't want McInnes in the team)

I'm not really sure what you mean about Pearce being one dimensional. He has a passing game, a running game, and a long and short kicking game. I have criticisms of his decision making and particularly his ability to make good decisions under pressure and fatigue, but his execution is at worst satisfactory for a half.

I just can't see Jackson bringing anything off the bench. He would do a job but I think that's all. In light of the Bird's fitness/form and graham's injury I think peachey would probably be the right pick if you only play one hooker, but I'd probably go with Mcinnes to start and Cook off the bench. I don't agree with you about Mcinnes being one dimensional either, but you and I probably shouldn't get back into the Cook vs Mcinnes debate again.

 

[SBD82]

From what I've seen he is a better defender than Roberts or Mitchell, who are both turnstiles when off their game, especially Roberts.

Aitken's not only in good form but we are also running out of options. Dugan, Ferguson & Hayne in my opinion have been undeserved automatic picks in recent years and have let us down too many times.

Aitken's ability to tackle is very good, it is his decision making that lets him down. He often leaves his winger posted. This is exacerbated by the dragons using an up and in defensive pattern, so he may make better decisions if Freddy uses a different structure.

I don't rate Dugan highly, but I would probably still have him at right centre for want of a better option.

 

[Rabbitoad]

I'm not really sure what you mean about Pearce being one dimensional. He has a passing game, a running game, and a long and short kicking game. I have criticisms of his decision making and particularly his ability to make good decisions under pressure and fatigue, but his execution is at worst satisfactory for a half.

I just can't see Jackson bringing anything off the bench. He would do a job but I think that's all. In light of the Bird's fitness/form and graham's injury I think peachey would probably be the right pick if you only play one hooker, but I'd probably go with Mcinnes to start and Cook off the bench. I don't agree with you about Mcinnes being one dimensional either, but you and I probably shouldn't get back into the Cook vs Mcinnes debate again.

Gotta disagree on Pearce mate. His kicking and passing games are well below par for a first grade half back and he has no organizational skills at all.

That's why he goes missing under pressure

 

[OldPanther]

Again, I'm not surprised that a guy resorting to "are you new to online footy discussion" would relate to the guy spouting, "do you just never watch those games" and thinking that's a credible way of arguing your point.

You're entitled to your opinion, but you relating to the guy throwing a tantrum says more about you than it does about me.

You clearly missed the part where that was a genuine question not a dig at you.

I'd prefer Wade Graham (injured) or Jack Bird (overweight/poor form), but they're a bit short on options.

Tyrone Peachey is probably worth thinking about for that spot too (blanked on him last night).

As for Pearce, he got exposed because he's a one dimensional player.

A halfback that doesn't direct the team around the park and has a sub standard kicking game.

One dimensional players get exposed at higher levels, always have (which is also why I don't want McInnes in the team)

I'm backing Cleary to return strongly at this stage.

If he doesn't, it's a toss up between Blake Green and Cody Walker for mine.

Would much rather the Maloney/Cleary combo though

I actually think you have a good eye for the game.

 

[DOGS AND EELS!!!]

It was a snarky response and you know it.

Stop being so insecure

Saying 'you know it' isn't an explanation for a counter argument. You've made several fallacies which you've refused to acknowledge while accusing me of things which when rebutted you went quiet.

For someone harping on about making an argument, you clearly know nothing about it. You've dodged my questions, refused to engage, went back and repeated your statements which I had gunned down and yet you refuse to acknowledge anything.

jusy imagine If someone was accused of being a child molester and they were sent to count, the prosecutor made a statement without any evidence and which the public defender challenges, the judge and the prosecutor just close their ears yelling 'la la la you're a child molester' and send them to prison. That's probably how things work in your head.

You're so far removed from reality it's scary. The internet isn't the place for you, a psychiatrists office is.

 

[TheFrog]

Would much rather the Maloney/Cleary combo though

To be honest, I'm a little nervous about this combo. They've only played 2.5 games together and for most of that time Nathan was running the side, Jimmy was a passenger, and really they hadn't come close to gelling as a halves combo. However, things will be different when Nathan returns. Jimmy has been kicking arse to such a degree he will be the first player picked for NSW. He will be running the show at Penrith. So we're relying on a coach who has no allegiance to NSW whatsoever (and will tell you as much) to engineer pretty much from scratch a combination that might be taken into the NSW side. I wonder if Greg Alexander might play an increased role at Penrith with the return of Cleary to the side.