NZ Expansion

[pHyR3]

Bullshyt! Kiwis love Australia. They would all move over here if they could.

Seriously though. It would mean 25 less topline Kiwi players in Aus. Not that many out of the player pool.

plus numerous juniors. youre looking at up to 60-70 people in reality.

Holden Cup, NSW Cup and NRL sides and poaching those young juniors out of high school.

 

[pHyR3]

Only based on your ignorance that claimed Wellington has the same population as Toowoomba.

wellington has 15% more people than Townsville, and we have an NRL team there as well

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Out of interest, are the traditional Wellington colours black and yellow?

I like the idea of something like the Wellington Wasps as a logo.

I'm sure there's something else they will go with, but you could have a male and female mascot too.

 

[oikee]

You guys just refuse to agree to anything i say. And you never touch the major issues, your all scared.
Wellington has a population of 200 thousand, and around 450 thousand in the region.

Toowoomba has around 150 thousand and 350 thousand in the region.
Toowoomba does not support any other major teams.
Unlike Wellington that has rugby union and soccer to support as well.

We have a region that has close to 600 thousand and growing, the Gold Coast who are struggling.

Wellington has a open round stadium that in winter is cold, harsh and a faking graveyard if teams are not performing.

Auckland on the other hand is thriving and headed towards 2 million population. Plenty to support a second NRL team.
The NRL can stick a flag in the ground in Auckland and even put some money towards a NRL stadium to call our home ground.
Wellington will become NZ's Titans, and if this happens then our code is visionless.
I would rather see 2 new teams in Brisbane before a team in Wellington.

Wellington will just be another NRL mistake.
If the Titans moved to Logan, then i would say bring in Wellington, and the NRL would have to prop them up, because it costs around 20 million and rising to run a NRL team. One bad year and your on the ropes.

 

[The Great Dane]

You guys just refuse to agree to anything i say. And you never touch the major issues, your all scared.

Oikee do you know what projection is?
Because you just preformed the biggest projection I've ever seen!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in themselves, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

You guys just refuse to agree to anything i say. And you never touch the major issues, your all scared.
Wellington has a population of 200 thousand, and around 450 thousand in the region.

Toowoomba has around 150 thousand and 350 thousand in the region.
Toowoomba does not support any other major teams.
Unlike Wellington that has rugby union and soccer to support as well.

We have a region that has close to 600 thousand and growing, the Gold Coast who are struggling.

Wellington has a open round stadium that in winter is cold, harsh and a faking graveyard if teams are not performing.

Auckland on the other hand is thriving and headed towards 2 million population. Plenty to support a second NRL team.
The NRL can stick a flag in the ground in Auckland and even put some money towards a NRL stadium to call our home ground.
Wellington will become NZ's Titans, and if this happens then our code is visionless.
I would rather see 2 new teams in Brisbane before a team in Wellington.

Wellington will just be another NRL mistake.
If the Titans moved to Logan, then i would say bring in Wellington, and the NRL would have to prop them up, because it costs around 20 million and rising to run a NRL team. One bad year and your on the ropes.

Have you actually been to Wellington? The numbers you're wuiting there are misleading on a number of levels.
1: the 200,000 figure. That is the population of Wellington proper, true. But what it doesn't show is the fact that the Wellington urban area encompasses Wellinton, Porirua and the Hutt Valley- all of which are effectively suburbs of one City. Of that 450,000 in the Wellington region, probably 400,000 are in the greater Wellinton urban area, and within easy reach of the stadium, which is ideally located.
2: being the nations capital, Wellington punches WAY above its weight in terms of corporate and financial support. The CBD is 3 times the size of most cities of a similar population due to the number of corporate hq and govt offices located there.
3: The weather isn't as bad as you make out. Being located on the coast, it actually doesn't get that seriously cold, and the stadium is located in a relatively sheltered location- if you want a windswept graveyard, you'd have to visit the old Athletic Park Rugby stadium that preceded it which was exposed to the South and completely uncovered- now THAT place was brutal!

 

[oikee]

Have you actually been to Wellington? The numbers you're wuiting there are misleading on a number of levels.
1: the 200,000 figure. That is the population of Wellington proper, true. But what it doesn't show is the fact that the Wellington urban area encompasses Wellinton, Porirua and the Hutt Valley- all of which are effectively suburbs of one City. Of that 450,000 in the Wellington region, probably 400,000 are in the greater Wellinton urban area, and within easy reach of the stadium, which is ideally located.
2: being the nations capital, Wellington punches WAY above its weight in terms of corporate and financial support. The CBD is 3 times the size of most cities of a similar population due to the number of corporate hq and govt offices located there.
3: The weather isn't as bad as you make out. Being located on the coast, it actually doesn't get that seriously cold, and the stadium is located in a relatively sheltered location- if you want a windswept graveyard, you'd have to visit the old Athletic Park Rugby stadium that preceded it which was exposed to the South and completely uncovered- now THAT place was brutal!

See, you skirt around the major issues.
I said you have 3 codes to support, that takes a heap of sponsor support for this city.

The ground is round, and made for Cricket and AFL.
They use round grounds, the NRL should not be subject to round grounds, they dont use them in America for NFL.

Anyhow, get on with it, if you want Wellington, good luck.

Toowoomba has one of the Richest families in Australia, and he is a league fan, and i still would not want a team in Toowoomba, because we could not support one team, from any code.
It just dont make sense.

 

[Perth Red]

Brisbane has 3 teams with 30k plus fanbases plus a couple of smaller clubs. Doubtful there is room for another sports club in a city of just 2milion, well going on oikees mad cap methodology!

The biggest concern re wellington for me is A) Union is really struggling there so what does that mean if there main code can't get a crowd? B) stadium, weird as it is I agree with Oikee that stadium sucks for winter RL. On the plus side they are taking a broader strategic approach to include the sth island and nz has the talent to have a second successful club.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

The stadium is designed as a multipurpose stadium- its a compromise between rugby and cricket (not AFL). Sure it's not ideal as a rectangular stadium but its better thgan the oval grounds in Australia due to actually still having been designed with the football codes in mind.

And yes, the point that the bid would be shared with Christchurch as a home hround is a very important point. If you give Wellington 2/3 of home games and Christchurch the remaining third you get matches every 3 & 6 weeks in each on average instead of every fortnight, which will raise interest.

The downside is that as mentioned Wellington can be fickle with crowds- however a lot of that is down to team form. Auckland is if anything worse in that regard, as the Blues, Warriors and Football Kingz would attest.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

See, you skirt around the major issues.
I said you have 3 codes to support, that takes a heap of sponsor support for this city.

The ground is round, and made for Cricket and AFL.
They use round grounds, the NRL should not be subject to round grounds, they dont use them in America for NFL.

Anyhow, get on with it, if you want Wellington, good luck.

Toowoomba has one of the Richest families in Australia, and he is a league fan, and i still would not want a team in Toowoomba, because we could not support one team, from any code.
It just dont make sense.

Please stop with the Toowoomba comparisons. Anyone who has been there and to Wellington could tell you it's chalk and cheese. Continually bringing it up is just plain embarrassing.

 

[dimitri]

Another mistake. This will be the new titans, the next titans with support dwindling after the shine of a new team wears off.
Auckland need a derby, like Brisbane. You create massive interest by having two teams playing out of the one stadium every weekend. Creating a Wellington will just create another gold coast, a team in the middle of faking nowhere, with fake-all support, and stuck in a round lifeless stadium, in the cold, in the heart of winter with no cover.

This bid has failure written all over it, while we could have a team in Auckland, and lobby the government with a bit of cash to build a new stadium, (or better still invest with their own money(the NRL) to build a decent stadium in Auckland for our code.)
With massive derbies, a support base that can grow, and the bonus of a stadium for our code to call home in NZ.

We need vision, not the same old mistakes. Wellington is a mistake, i dont care how many millionaires are on board.

The NRL season should be cut by at least four rounds and new teams from Perth, South-East Queensland and New Zealand added to the competition, according to new NRL Head of Strategy Shane Richardson.

The former Souths CEO also said there was no guarantee all nine Sydney clubs would survive under his vision for the game.

Discussing his blueprint to improve the NRL, Richardson said the season must be streamlined to reduce player burnout, which was a major concern given the current packed schedule with 26 rounds and three mid-week State of Origin matches.

"It?s not about quantity, its quality. Certainly we can reduce it (the season) to 22 games or even 20," Richardson told The Daily Telegraph.

"Then look at State of Origin and stand-alone weekends. We look at the pre-season and control that a lot better.

"Then international football. We?ve got to lock in what we want to do then take it to the broadcasters for the next television deal."

A second Auckland team has SQ Crushers written all over it. I'd suggest a southern side playing out of Wellington with a few home games out of Christchurch /Dunedin is far better

 

[pHyR3]

A second Auckland team has SQ Crushers written all over it. I'd suggest a southern side playing out of Wellington with a few home games out of Christchurch /Dunedin is far better

obviously.

but this derelict thinks he knows better than everyone else in RL.

can you tell me, oikee, if anyone else youve ever met (can't be from your house in the asylum) agrees with you that Auckland 2 is better than Wellington, Dunedin and Christchurch combined?

 

[oikee]

I am the only one who thinks Auckland is the best place for a second team.
The reason why is because big cities, like Sydney, Melbourne, London, Manchester all have big derbies, and they become known worldwide for being the biggest derbies.
This is why i think Brisbane and Auckland and even Melbourne need a second team.

If you are going to grow your code, you think big, or in your case and all the other cases, you can think small, and you will get small returns, and struggle, and for all the reasons i mentioned.

Again, i am not saying dont bring in Wellington, i wouldn't mind them in our code, by 2050.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

:roll:

 

[pHyR3]

I am the only one who thinks Auckland is the best place for a second team.
The reason why is because big cities, like Sydney, Melbourne, London, Manchester all have big derbies, and they become known worldwide for being the biggest derbies.
This is why i think Brisbane and Auckland and even Melbourne need a second team.

If you are going to grow your code, you think big, or in your case and all the other cases, you can think small, and you will get small returns, and struggle, and for all the reasons i mentioned.

Again, i am not saying dont bring in Wellington, i wouldn't mind them in our code, by 2050.

jesus christ, no one is saying bring in wellington. it is a SOUTH NZ TEAM which encompasses christchurch dunedin AND wellington.

 

[Tigers1986]

NZ needs a second team to keep bringing in the fans that are getting swept up in league with the success of the national team. Also to give the Warriors a true 'rival' to give their rivalry round match some merit behind it.

A southern-NZ team based in Wellington sounds like the best proposal, with it taking games to Christchurch and Dunedin throughout the season (4-4-4 split). Then the 13th match in NZ being a derby against the Warriors would be huge. NZ2 is my top pick for expansion, marginally ahead of Perth.

 

[Perth Red]

Oikee would base expansion on two games a year lol
In the mean time the other 11 home games see crowds cannibalised.

 

[oikee]

Oikee would base expansion on two games a year lol
In the mean time the other 11 home games see crowds cannibalised.

Interesting subjects, tribes, Cannibals, village people, and then you have the village idiot.

Maybe i was a little over the top with wellington.

I stand by my word on having 3 Brisbane teams. One for Ipswich, one for Logan.

Suncorp needs to have at least 2 games a week at Suncorp.
This will mean bigger massive derbies, and more of em.

Melbourne needs a second team as well. They are heading towards 7-8 million population.
That can not be ignored.

 

[warrior poet]

A second Auckland team has SQ Crushers written all over it. I'd suggest a southern side playing out of Wellington with a few home games out of Christchurch /Dunedin is far better

wouldn't a second brisbane team have crushers written all over it? just look at how poorly the titans are going and they're an hour away from brisbane. gold coast teams have failed before and history (both giants/seagulls/chargers and titans) would suggest the titans should never have been admitted, same as the history of having 2 brisbane teams (crushers & broncos) would suggest that brisbane shouldn't have a second team as they failed to support two the first time.

Expansion should be into areas where teams haven't failed before.

This would rule out perth (western reds), central coast (northern eagles), gold coast (giants/seagulls/chargers), south east qld (crushers), adelaide (rams), newtown (jets), north sydney (bears), a second newcastle team (mariners) and un-merging the dragons and tigers.

the NRL should be looking at places like wellington (& southern nz), central qld and the pacific (including png). It should also be looking at the viability of the 9 sydney teams (especially tigers, sharks, eels) Teams like the dragons, rabbitohs, roosters, seaeagles and bulldogs are strategically important within sydney (probably only need one of panthers and eels). They need to look at turning it into an australasian-pacific comp instead of the expanded sydney comp that it is

 

[pHyR3]

Interesting subjects, tribes, Cannibals, village people, and then you have the village idiot.

Maybe i was a little over the top with wellington.

I stand by my word on having 3 Brisbane teams. One for Ipswich, one for Logan.

Suncorp needs to have at least 2 games a week at Suncorp.
This will mean bigger massive derbies, and more of em.

Melbourne needs a second team as well. They are heading towards 7-8 million population.
That can not be ignored.

by when? 2050? we can look at a 2nd team in 20 years time if that's the case