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NZ Expansion

warrior poet

Juniors
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the sad thing with expansion is that the locations of the next teams will be decided by where the broadcasters want them to be, not by where the fans want them. That is the reality of professional sport until it can develop to a point of being self-sufficient (league isn't NFL, NBA, NHL, or FIFA, and even they rely alot on broadcast deals).
The highest bidder for the next broadcast deal could say they want teams in darwin and hobart and that's where the teams will be. Sad but unfortunately true. it does (sadly) mean that perth and brisbane should be the favourites (even if brisbane isn't ready for a second team) with wellington a distant third.

You could argue that this is one of the reasons why the storm and titans even exist
 

Diesel

Referee
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I don't think that's totally true. The NRL pre-2012 would have but now the have money in the bank and a blueprint as to where teams are going to be in the future. Sure tv wants a Brisbane and Perth team but these are areas that need teams. I don't see the ARLC getting permission from tv where to put teams, the commission are smart enough and have money to play with.

Pre-2012 I'd agree with you about your statements
 

Usain Bolt

Bench
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Warriors should go back to being called Auckland and the new team should take the NZ name if it happens
 

pHyR3

Juniors
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955
Warriors should go back to being called Auckland and the new team should take the NZ name if it happens

why should either of them get the NZ tag?

call em South's or South NZ if you like.

South New Zealand Orcas doesn't sound too bad.
 

SpaceMonkey

Immortal
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"Southern Orcas" imo "South NZ Orcas" is too much of a clunky mouthful.

Warriors should just revert to "The Warriors" officially- makes them a de facto Auckland/Northern side as everyone knows they're based in Auckland but don't spell it out too explicitly, which is good for business in NZ as a lot of people from outside Auckland hate Auckland on principle.
 

Perth Red

Post Whore
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News from the Wellington bid:

Representatives from Wellington's fledgling NRL club bid are to push their case to the game's hierarchy next week.
The NRL are still to announce whether they'll expand the 16-team competition but those behind the bid for a second New Zealand side are grateful to be getting a fair hearing.
Shane Richardson, the NRL's head of strategy, will meet with Wellington's Sydney-based frontman Robert Picone, as the bid's momentum continues to build.
Richardson has made favourable noises about expansion, with Wellington's consortium hopeful it could happen as soon as 2018. The NRL's existing television deal expires at the end of 2017, which is the soonest the number of teams could be renegotiated.
Otherwise it would be 2022 before expansion might occur.
"We're continuing to talk with potential sponsors here and in Australia. Nothing's signed at the moment and everyone's waiting to see what the NRL does before they commit, but the conversations are encouraging to say the least," said the bid's representative in Wellington, Jason Hemson.
The struggles of existing clubs haven't helped the cause of those wanting see more teams added. The NRL have assumed control of the Gold Coast Titans in recent weeks, after having to do similar at Newcastle last year.
They were also forced to install three independent directors to the board of the Wests Tigers and then there is Cronulla, who are without a major sponsor and still trying to move on from a supplements scandal and the sacking of star five-eighth Todd Carney for disciplinary reasons.
There's also persistent talk that one of the nine Sydney-based clubs might need to relocate.
"In terms of a second team out of New Zealand, I think that needs to happen. Whether that happens as soon as we want it to, I'm not entirely sure," Hemson said.
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"We could have the best bid in the world but they could decide expansion is not in their mix at the moment."
That's why, after a delay or two, a meeting with Richardson represents encouraging progress.
"It's an introduction and a chance to lay our cards on the table and outline what we're wanting to achieve. Seeing what they're thinking is the big thing for us," Hemson said.
Sources have indicated to Hemson and company the NRL is close to determining whether expansion, relocation or even contraction are the way to go. Only reigning premiers South Sydney and the Brisbane Broncos turned a profit in 2014 and the financial model by which all clubs are run is set to be looked at by the NRL as well.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league...ost-NRL-bid-in-meeting-with-leagues-top-brass
 

BuffaloRules

Coach
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I would bet my left nut that if Wellington join the NRL, it won't be on the back of a relocation...

Wouldn't suit a NZ team to carry over a " failed" Oz brand.

Also the leftover fans in Syd/Can/Gold Coast would be very bitter that their team moved to NZ, so they may as well start with a new brand..
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

First Grade
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^yeah im inclined to think the same way. It worked for the Swans though.

I reckon relocation would wrk in a region without a big history of football...

Reloction a Sydney team to melbourne, perth adelaide or asia (in the off chance) would be as successful or even more successful than a new team, whereas places with an established RL history (Brisbane, NZ, Sydney) would consider relocation to be sloppy seconds.
 

alien

Referee
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wellington bulldogs

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POPEYE

Coach
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#1 League nation should have another NRL team . . . simple as that. Maybe even their own Residents vs Barbarians (players residing overseas) 3 match comp to grow as Origin did
 

UNION TROLL

Juniors
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Bullshyt! Kiwis love Australia. They would all move over here if they could..
Sir Robert Muldoon, Prime Minister of New Zealand from 1975-1984, once famously said that New Zealanders moving to Australia ?raised the IQ of both countries?

On the topic of Wellington and the rest of NZ getting a team, I believe that the Southern Orcas will be the name should we get a team and that we will play matches in Christchurch, Wellington and 2 other on the road games each year.
HQ'd in Wellington, the club will be self sufficient from day 1 with a target of 30,000 members (15k in each major centre) and a 20k average attendance figure in both Wellington and Christchurch.
The only problem in regards to us getting a team here is that we won't add much to the TV deal. NRL games featuring the Warriors get 130-150k here on SKY and another 40k on FTA delay. A second NRL side would simply dilute that....I know I'd ditch the Warriors for the new team straight away!
 

SpaceMonkey

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I'm not sure it'd simply dilute the viewing figures- just because people ditch the warriors for the new side won't mean they stop watching the Warriors games. You'll get a similar total number of viewers but watching for twice as long, which is better numbers in TV/advertising terms.
 

undertaker

Coach
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Sir Robert Muldoon, Prime Minister of New Zealand from 1975-1984, once famously said that New Zealanders moving to Australia ?raised the IQ of both countries?

On the topic of Wellington and the rest of NZ getting a team, I believe that the Southern Orcas will be the name should we get a team and that we will play matches in Christchurch, Wellington and 2 other on the road games each year.
HQ'd in Wellington, the club will be self sufficient from day 1 with a target of 30,000 members (15k in each major centre) and a 20k average attendance figure in both Wellington and Christchurch.
The only problem in regards to us getting a team here is that we won't add much to the TV deal. NRL games featuring the Warriors get 130-150k here on SKY and another 40k on FTA delay. A second NRL side would simply dilute that....I know I'd ditch the Warriors for the new team straight away!
Here's the bigger questions

1) Will the Warriors ever get the crowds they got during their early years of the competition (in 1995, they averaged 26k or so at home), getting 20k+ regularly?

2) What crowds would you expect a 2nd NZ team to get in their inaugural year (assuming they will be based out of Wellington)?
 
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