NZ Herald: RLIF approve massive Change to International Eligibility (Tier 1 & 2 Nations, Origin etc)

[Pommy]

I thought that as well but I can't for the life of me think of any such eligible players representing England.

The thing is how would you know? You look at the Kangaroos squad and you can have a pretty good stab at who is or Fijian, Maori background as your looking to tell the difference between Islanders and Anglo Celts which is easy. In the England squad your never going to guess who's got a Scottish or Irish grandparent but plenty will have.

These rule changes for me are just Australia and NZ having their cake and eating it. I can see it becoming the big two rather than big three. As much as it pains me England is already almost a tier 1.5 side in comparison. Now they've invented an rule that allows Australia and NZ to benefit from players playing for their countries of ancestory but really hinders England.
Not that I want to see a team of Aussies and Kiwis running around in white but I feel the rules shouldn't prevent it if this is the path they have chosen.
The only plus is players don't have to chose between origin and a pacific country anymore. I hope there are some men of conviction out there who can play for NSW and QLD but nail their colours to an island team and stick to it.

 

[roughyedspud]

England are almost a tier 1.5 side??

Don't talk effing nonsense!

 

[adamkungl]

The thing is how would you know? You look at the Kangaroos squad and you can have a pretty good stab at who is or Fijian, Maori background as your looking to tell the difference between Islanders and Anglo Celts which is easy. In the England squad your never going to guess who's got a Scottish or Irish grandparent but plenty will have.

These rule changes for me are just Australia and NZ having their cake and eating it. I can see it becoming the big two rather than big three. As much as it pains me England is already almost a tier 1.5 side in comparison. Now they've invented an rule that allows Australia and NZ to benefit from players playing for their countries of ancestory but really hinders England.
Not that I want to see a team of Aussies and Kiwis running around in white but I feel the rules shouldn't prevent it if this is the path they have chosen.
The only plus is players don't have to chose between origin and a pacific country anymore. I hope there are some men of conviction out there who can play for NSW and QLD but nail their colours to an island team and stick to it.

Australia was already poaching these players, it makes no difference

 

[Pommy]

Australia was already poaching these players, it makes no difference

Except England can't get in on the act by having players of English heritage play for them unless they are happy to accept they can never play for Australia.
Australia is getting all the benefits whilst England is being restricted. Again I'm not fussed I just think its shitty to write the rules that way.

 

[siv]

I think every is forgetting one key issue

TV rights money

Its important to create a product to generate IRL income

Once enough IRL income is being generated then we can adjust the rules again

I see these rules as a transition rule or a experimental rule for the next few years

 

[Pommy]

England are almost a tier 1.5 side??

Don't talk effing nonsense!

Do you seriously think we're on the same level as Australia and NZ?
Or should I say pacific A and pacific B?

 

[myrrh ken]

Except England can't get in on the act by having players of English heritage play for them unless they are happy to accept they can never play for Australia.
Australia is getting all the benefits whilst England is being restricted. Again I'm not fussed I just think its shitty to write the rules that way.

I think the rule was aimed to benefit the pacific island countries by freeing up players that might otherwise miss out when they chose tier 1 as a preference. but it certainly locks in the practice for Aus and kiwis to have first crack at them. England is def the loser.

 

[Pommy]

I think the rule was aimed to benefit the pacific island countries by freeing up players that might otherwise miss out when they chose tier 1 as a preference. but it certainly locks in the practice for Aus and kiwis to have first crack at them. England is def the loser.

And for that to happen all they needed to do was change the Origin rule and allow you to change in a cycle.
There was no need for this tier 1 nonsense.

 

[roughyedspud]

Its aimed at all tier 2 nations

 

[jim_57]

I see no reason why any player who meets the Origin eligibility criteria can't play Origin and ANY nation of their choice. If a player has lived in QLD/NSW since before they were 12 they are eligible whether their first choice nation is Australia, England, Fiji, Cuba or Pluto formerly known as a planet.

 

[roughyedspud]

Nah you shouldn't be able to play origin if you are a english or kiwi international..

Leave it to aussies & australians with 2nd tier heritage

 

[deluded pom?]

Nah you shouldn't be able to play origin if you are a english or kiwi international..

Leave it to aussies & australians with 2nd tier heritage

Why do you like to keep the 'tier 1' nations in their own special box 'spud. The only difference between nations should be their current status with the RLIF otherwise they're all equal. If not then what's the point of all these 'full members'?

 

[adamkungl]

I don't see why a Kiwi can't play Origin from an eligibility standpoint as long as they grew up in the state, but Australia want it as their bargaining chip, mainly to beat NZ and England.
At least this stops them using it to (completely) poach Islanders.

 

[roughyedspud]

Why do you like to keep the 'tier 1' nations in their own special box 'spud. The only difference between nations should be their current status with the RLIF otherwise they're all equal. If not then what's the point of all these 'full members'?

cos its how the RLIF have defined it...and the the grand scheme of things the definition of tier 1 & 2 is right at the bottom of the list of things we should be concerned about...if its even on the list at all!

im just waiting for the teams outside the top 16 getting called tier 3...lol

 

[jim_57]

Nah you shouldn't be able to play origin if you are a english or kiwi international..

Leave it to aussies & australians with 2nd tier heritage

Why not if a player meets the current Origin criteria? There wouldn't be many so would hardly cause a major shake up of Origin. What's the difference between a player plauing for QLD and Fiji and a player playing for QLD and NZ?

 

[roughyedspud]

cos it'll end up having no bloody aussies in it at this rate lol

seriously though...ive always said i see players being ale to play for QLDorNSW & fiji,wales,tonga,scotland etc as a massive development tool for "tier 2 nations" *ducks for cover*

england & NZ don't need origin as a development tool

 

[deluded pom?]

cos its how the RLIF have defined it...and the the grand scheme of things the definition of tier 1 & 2 is right at the bottom of the list of things we should be concerned about...if its even on the list at all!

Disagree. Why have the BS full members list? Why not just have three full members and feck the rest?

 

[adamkungl]

Ireland being proactive - introducing minimum domestic selection into squads. Really good to see this attitude without the rules forcing them to, hopefully they expand it further down the track.

http://www.nospam18.com/rlp-nations...more-domestic-players-in-international-squads

 

[geordie_saint]

If only someone would..

Agreed but will never happen until the situation exists where appearance payments are standardised across all countries; something EH has called for elsewhere on this thread. It'll never happen as Australia, NZ and England are only interested in continuing the status quo; short termism and insular thinking ruins this sport when it could be great.

 

[deluded pom?]

I notice that Spain have selected former French player Mathieu Griffi in their squad for the upcoming WC qualifiers. He is of Italian descent but French born. He currently plays for Palau X111. Now the way I read the new eligibility rules it allows dual qualified players to nominate one tier 1 nation and one tier 2 nation. Tier 1 nations are Australia, New Zealand and England. I assume Griffi resides in France due to his current club side being French. My question is how does he qualify for Spain having already represented a tier 2 nation but doesn't appear to live in Spain so won't qualify on residency?

Edit. Just checked and it's possible Griffi could live in Spain as Palau is close to the border.