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The Great Dane

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Just waiting for them to officially make their statement.
Then it's NRL boycott time.

Not knocking you or anything but boycotting won't do anything, even if you took everyone on this website and got them all to boycott it'd still be an extreme minority and your loss wouldn't even be a drop in the ocean, so it won't change a thing and will probably go completely unnoticed.

The only way that anything changes as quickly as you want it to change is if a competitor to the NRL enters the market, that way there's somewhere for people to go that are unhappy with the NRL and it forces the NRL to raise it's standards and change it's policies to compete.

What you want is someone that identifies this gap in the RL market (it's defiantly there, pretty much everyone I know including myself is pissed at the NRL for all sorts of different reasons and would leave in a heartbeat if a suitable alternative existed) that has access to the finances and with the power to pull it off to start a new national competition.
 

Burns

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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ki...worries-over-denver-test-20180325-p4z65i.html

A sports medicine specialist who will act as New Zealand's official team doctor for the proposed Denver Test – and has vast experience with Super Rugby sides playing at altitude – insists there is no science to support growing player welfare concerns over the contentious fixture.

The Kiwis' travelling physician Dr Greg Macleod, who once helped prepare the Otago Highlanders for a gruelling six-week round-the-world odyssey where they played on a different continent each week, stressed players would not be more exposed to injury if the mid-season match went ahead.

"I've spoken to medical staff in Denver – including paramedics who run the medical support at the stadium and work with the [NFL's Denver] Broncos – and one gentleman who has been there for 27 years as a paramedic said he's never seen a case of altitude-related illness from people playing at Mile High Stadium.


"This is NFL where guys are 350 pounds and 150 kilos and playing in full gear. I know it's a different sport, but it doesn't seem to happen for guys that have played there.

"You've got to remember Denver and Colorado has an Olympic training centre and people deliberately go there to train at altitude and deliberately go there to put themselves under physiological stress and challenge themselves to improve their performance. No one has any welfare concerns regarding that.

"I just can't see how 1600 metres is a concern because it's not proven [scientifically]. I've never seen anyone have health consequences because they've played at this sort of altitude."

Some NRL players, including the Dragons' Gareth Widdop and James Graham, would need to fulfil NRL commitments with St George Illawarra a little more than 48 hours after arriving back in Australia after the Test, which has been mooted for June 24.

Both have given their backing for the match, which could be played in temperatures around the 30-degree mark in the northern hemisphere's early summer.

Dr Macleod argued NRL and Super Rugby pre-season and early regular season matches are often played in searing heat nudging the 40-degree mark, as evidenced when Manly brutalised Parramatta a little over a week ago at Lottoland.

That clash kicked off as the mercury nudged 39 degrees and didn't feature any mid-game drinks breaks.

"Denver has dry heat and a low humidity so that 30 degrees is a much more comfortable temperature than if it was combined with humidity," Dr Macleod said. "The heat thing is a non-issue and we have many examples of players playing in higher heat and more extreme conditions than that."

If the match gets the green light, New Zealand players will travel in business class to Denver to allow for better sleep patterns as well as using masks to help with hydration and reduce the chance of picking up viruses.

While conceding the heavy travel schedule could affect the performance of both New Zealand and England, Dr Macleod denied it would enhance the chances of any player picking up an injury – and would be no greater risk than if a NSW or Queensland representative turned out for his club 48 hours after a State of Origin match.

"The theory that you can't travel, but play a lot of games in a short space of time seems a bit odd," he said. "It is a long way and no one is denying that, but it's not the furthest a sports team has travelled.

"If you look at what the [Rugby] Sevens guys do – which is a far greater travel load than what we're looking at here – there was a study which followed players over a five-year period and it confirmed there is no increased significant injury risk for them as opposed to players who didn't travel that far.

"Travel does affect performance, but both teams are in the same boat."

Dr Macleod said he is yet to be consulted by anyone acting on behalf of the NRL about player welfare issues that may stem from the Denver match on June 24.

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So, the communication between the NRL, NZRL, RFL, and Jason Moore's teams must be non-existent.
 

deluded pom?

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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ki...worries-over-denver-test-20180325-p4z65i.html

A sports medicine specialist who will act as New Zealand's official team doctor for the proposed Denver Test – and has vast experience with Super Rugby sides playing at altitude – insists there is no science to support growing player welfare concerns over the contentious fixture.

The Kiwis' travelling physician Dr Greg Macleod, who once helped prepare the Otago Highlanders for a gruelling six-week round-the-world odyssey where they played on a different continent each week, stressed players would not be more exposed to injury if the mid-season match went ahead.

"I've spoken to medical staff in Denver – including paramedics who run the medical support at the stadium and work with the [NFL's Denver] Broncos – and one gentleman who has been there for 27 years as a paramedic said he's never seen a case of altitude-related illness from people playing at Mile High Stadium.


"This is NFL where guys are 350 pounds and 150 kilos and playing in full gear. I know it's a different sport, but it doesn't seem to happen for guys that have played there.

"You've got to remember Denver and Colorado has an Olympic training centre and people deliberately go there to train at altitude and deliberately go there to put themselves under physiological stress and challenge themselves to improve their performance. No one has any welfare concerns regarding that.

"I just can't see how 1600 metres is a concern because it's not proven [scientifically]. I've never seen anyone have health consequences because they've played at this sort of altitude."

Some NRL players, including the Dragons' Gareth Widdop and James Graham, would need to fulfil NRL commitments with St George Illawarra a little more than 48 hours after arriving back in Australia after the Test, which has been mooted for June 24.

Both have given their backing for the match, which could be played in temperatures around the 30-degree mark in the northern hemisphere's early summer.

Dr Macleod argued NRL and Super Rugby pre-season and early regular season matches are often played in searing heat nudging the 40-degree mark, as evidenced when Manly brutalised Parramatta a little over a week ago at Lottoland.

That clash kicked off as the mercury nudged 39 degrees and didn't feature any mid-game drinks breaks.

"Denver has dry heat and a low humidity so that 30 degrees is a much more comfortable temperature than if it was combined with humidity," Dr Macleod said. "The heat thing is a non-issue and we have many examples of players playing in higher heat and more extreme conditions than that."

If the match gets the green light, New Zealand players will travel in business class to Denver to allow for better sleep patterns as well as using masks to help with hydration and reduce the chance of picking up viruses.

While conceding the heavy travel schedule could affect the performance of both New Zealand and England, Dr Macleod denied it would enhance the chances of any player picking up an injury – and would be no greater risk than if a NSW or Queensland representative turned out for his club 48 hours after a State of Origin match.

"The theory that you can't travel, but play a lot of games in a short space of time seems a bit odd," he said. "It is a long way and no one is denying that, but it's not the furthest a sports team has travelled.

"If you look at what the [Rugby] Sevens guys do – which is a far greater travel load than what we're looking at here – there was a study which followed players over a five-year period and it confirmed there is no increased significant injury risk for them as opposed to players who didn't travel that far.

"Travel does affect performance, but both teams are in the same boat."

Dr Macleod said he is yet to be consulted by anyone acting on behalf of the NRL about player welfare issues that may stem from the Denver match on June 24.

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So, the communication between the NRL, NZRL, RFL, and Jason Moore's teams must be non-existent.

What does he know? What do the people in Denver know? They aren’t even Australian.
 

deluded pom?

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But he hasn’t taken in to consideration the flight, sounds like a quack to me. Play it at Campbelltown instead.
Yep, let SL players fly 12,000 miles. Who gives a feck about them anyway? Mind you it can be a bumpy bus ride to Campbelltown.
 
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deal.with.it

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Why couldn’t switzerland, denmark or the netherlands be the number one governing body....

Sorry guys for Australia and our insular thinking.
 

adamkungl

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Not knocking you or anything but boycotting won't do anything, even if you took everyone on this website and got them all to boycott it'd still be an extreme minority and your loss wouldn't even be a drop in the ocean, so it won't change a thing and will probably go completely unnoticed.

No shit.
But unlike the people who have spent the last 3 months sooking about Matt Lodge, I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is.
I will not financially contribute to a Rugby League competition that actively seeks to sabotage the wider sport. We've all had our say and rolled our eyes at the decades of neglect to the international game from the NRL, we're used to it. But this current situation is stepping up from neglect to deliberate sabotage and my money won't be a part of it.

For what it's worth, Peter Beattie in particular is fairly responsive on Twitter. He might reply, he might not, but either way he'll notice.
 

johnny plath

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No shit.
But unlike the people who have spent the last 3 months sooking about Matt Lodge, I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is.
I will not financially contribute to a Rugby League competition that actively seeks to sabotage the wider sport. We've all had our say and rolled our eyes at the decades of neglect to the international game from the NRL, we're used to it. But this current situation is stepping up from neglect to deliberate sabotage and my money won't be a part of it.

For what it's worth, Peter Beattie in particular is fairly responsive on Twitter. He might reply, he might not, but either way he'll notice.

So have the NRL said anything other than they support the test and clubs will be fined if they don't release players. The RLPA is not the NRL, and club coaches are not the NRL.. maybe I missed it but I haven't seen a backflip from the NRL saying clubs don't have to release players. Seems the outrage is generated by journalists who don't like the idea and 99% of readers buy in so they can be outraged at something. I haven't seen any quotes from Greenburg or Beatie saying anything negative, but maybe I missed it.
 

adamkungl

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So have the NRL said anything other than they support the test and clubs will be fined if they don't release players. The RLPA is not the NRL, and club coaches are not the NRL.. maybe I missed it but I haven't seen a backflip from the NRL saying clubs don't have to release players. Seems the outrage is generated by journalists who don't like the idea and 99% of readers buy in so they can be outraged at something. I haven't seen any quotes from Greenburg or Beatie saying anything negative, but maybe I missed it.

There were 2 articles in The Australian and the DT (yeah, i know) saying that the NRL, its clubs, and the RLPA have co-signed a letter to England and NZ declaring that they do not support the test and will be asking their players not to participate.

No, there has been no official statement. I am not doing anything until there is.
But IF this letter exists, IF the NRL sinks this test, and I hope to god they don't, I don't see how I can continue supporting them.
 
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Just waiting for them to officially make their statement.
Then it's NRL boycott time.
Technically it will be restraint of trade if the NRL clubs refuse to let their English and Kiwi players play in an international, but let their other players play in SOO.
The NRL clubs will need very good lawyers to not end up paying a huge sum in compo
 

adamkungl

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Technically it will be restraint of trade if the NRL clubs refuse to let their English and Kiwi players play in an international, but let their other players play in SOO.
The NRL clubs will need very good lawyers to not end up paying a huge sum in compo

Doubt it. They're under contract for their clubs, not rep football.

It is a huge double standard but I doubt it's a legal issue.
 

Pommy

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Doubt it. They're under contract for their clubs, not rep football.

It is a huge double standard but I doubt it's a legal issue.

You could argue it’s a race/discrimination issue. It’s ok for Australians to play rep games but not the English and Kiwis?

It’s a can of worms I can’t believe they want to open to be honest.
 

adamkungl

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You could argue it’s a race/discrimination issue. It’s ok for Australians to play rep games but not the English and Kiwis?

You could but it's nothing new and it's gone on forever.
I've argued the same on here for the past 2 years.

Example:
The NZRL is usually somewhere around dead broke. Why don't they run their own Origin or Pacific series alongside State of Origin?
They claim they can't get players released for mid-year series.
So it's good enough for Aussies to have 3 games off midseason, but other countries aren't allowed to do it, limiting their ability to generate income.

But that's where it dies. If the #2 ranked nation in the world doesn't get anywhere, as if the Pacific islands will. No one kicks up a public stink, no one does anything. I hate the merkins but I reckon the likes of Kent and Rothfield would have a go at the NRL over some race discrimination issue if someone gave them the ammo.
 

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