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NZ v Poms in US

morningstar

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England team doctor debunks the health myth too. Can’t we get him & the NZRL guy on a skype hookup with the NRL merkin?...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/england-doctor-chris-brookes-dismisses-12251387?1

England doctor Chris Brookes dismisses NRL concerns over player safety in June test against New Zealand in Denver
NRL poised to send letter saying they cannot support the match but Brookes insists there is no medial evidence to back their fears.

England doctor Chris Brookes has dismissed claims from Australia that the June Test match against New Zealand in Denver could put players’ health at risk.

Reports Down Under state that a letter will this week be sent by the NRL, its clubs and the country’s player association saying that they cannot support the fixture over safety concerns.

They centre around questions over playing the game at an altitude of over a mile above sea, the travel involved, and the security of player contracts.

But Brookes - who has been England’sdoctor for almost 20 years - insists the health concerns are completely unfounded, while Mirror Sport understands that the player insurance for the match will be greater than that for last year’s World Cup.

Brookes said: “I have had the privilege of being the chief medical officer for Great Britain and England for the last 18 years and player welfare has always been the single most important matter for me.

“I was consulted over this game and I would never have sanctioned the match from a medical viewpoint if I wasn’t satisfied that full consideration was taken for the players’ welfare.

“My reputation for nearly 20 years has been based around that, and the reason I have sanctioned the game is that there is no medical or scientific evidence that I can find that it would be of detriment to the players’ health.

The stadium is 1,600 above sea level and there is no scientific evidence to support there being any health issues of playing at that height.

In fact I’m aware of many sports teams, especially in South Africa, that play at a much higher altitude.

“We have specifically asked the people in Denver whether anybody has ever suffered from altitude sickness at that ground and the answer was no.

That personal comment from them backs up the scientific evidence, and that’s important to ensure that our players are looked after to the highest possible standard.

“As a sub-plot to that, most Super League teams and the national team use altitude chambers at high performance facilities to gain a physiological advantage.

“Prior to the 2013 World Cup we took the England squad to South Africa to train at altitude so that the physical and chemical metabolic effect improved the performance of the team.”

Brookes also dismissed any issues over the travel involved for the fixture, and the heat in Denver.

He said: “There have been lengthy studies into injuries and travel and there is nothing to support whether travel increases the risk to injury.

What now underpins that is the meticulous attention to detail in terms of after-match recovery, and attention will be paid to appropriate hydration, the compression of limbs during the journey and utilising the latest sports science to its best effect.

“That’s what the England players coming back to Super League would be given, and my recommendations to the NRL players going back Australia would be exactly the same.

“It’s an area of sports science in which there have been huge advances.

“The other issue that has been mentioned is the heat.

“From the report that Jamie Peacock and Chris Black made from Denver recently, they stated that at the stadium it was a dry heat with low humidity.

Within the World Cup I had friends that played in matches in Darwin and Papua New Guinea, where it was not only very hot but the humidity was extreme.

“What the World Cup committee did was make a whole series of recommendations on heat management in their tournament manual, which was good and comprehensive.

“Of course we will follow that best practise for this game, but the risk is much less.”

Brookes believes the fixture in Denver would be less of a risk to participating players than the trend of State of Origin players Down Under backing up for their club teams as little as 48 hours later.

He added: “Within the NRL I have come across players that play in State of Origin games on Wednesday and then for their clubs at weekend - I would consider that to be more of a risk in respect to injuries.”

“Player welfare has been critical to me and it’s what I’ve based my reputation on in the game - we need to have some consistency with the approach to that in the NRL and Super League.”
 

Burns

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Sam Burgess and Wayne Bennet seem to be indicating that the England players are all on board, Burgess says NZ are on board too. This is huge.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...d/news-story/b2578e417dc821e39651edab1a137145

IF the NRL and the clubs think they have already won the fight to abandon the mid-year Test between England and New Zealand in the United States, they’d better think again.

A fired-up Sam Burgess and Wayne Bennett are adamant England players will stand as one in support of the game scheduled for Denver, Colorado, on the same weekend as State of Origin II.

And Burgess claims the Kiwis biggest names are also on board.

Burgess and Bennett spoke out to The Daily Telegraph following growing speculation the Rugby League Players Association are now on the verge of signing off on a joint letter this week, along with the NRL and clubs, indicating they would not support the match.

Burgess went as far as to question if there was an agenda to keep Australia at the top of international rugby league by holding other nations back.

Both he and Bennett also ridiculed suggestions playing at altitude made it a “grave safety concern”.

“The hypocrisy is ridiculous,” Bennett said.

“Every second week NFL clubs allow their players to travel to Denver and play.

“Do you really think NFL would allow it if it was such a dangerous place to play?

“We are finding every excuse in the world not to do it.

“Last year we had 12 players from England fly over for the weekend of the Pacific Test and play and then they returned home and played in the Super League days later.

“I’m telling you, they loved it.”


Burgess added he attended a two-week rugby union training camp in Denver in 2015, so he knows exactly what he is in for.

He even pulled out his mobile phone to quotes statistics to support his argument.

“Ellis Park in (Johannesburg) where they regularly play rugby union Tests is over 200 metres higher than Denver,” Burgess said.

“And the FIFA sanctioned game last year between Bolivia and Brazil was 1000 metres higher than Denver.

“What is the beef?

“Someone has an agenda. Let’s be honest about it.

“Why (won’t they let it go ahead)?

“Because we want to see Australia keep winning? I mean, I just don’t understand the logic.

“We are happy to let (players) play three Origins a year. We are playing in Denver but (injuries) can happen anywhere.

“It is like me saying I am not playing this year because I might get injured.

“There is a risk of injury when you walk across the street. A car might hit you. Do you want us to live in a bubble wrap?”

Asked if he would be strong enough to stand up to his bosses at South Sydney if they said he could not play, Burgess said: “We are all in the same boat.

“I tell you now, you get every player to stand here and we will all say the same thing. Every single player.

“I think there is a lot of false news being thrown about.

“As a England player, I want to play the game.

“I understand my duties to South Sydney and the game and the NRL.

“But I also understand the responsibility we have as senior players within the game and as international representatives to grow the game outside of Australia.

“Listen, there is a comprehensive insurance premium been taken out.

“I know that for a fact.

“All the players want to play. All the Kiwis want to play. All the English boys want to play. It is not just a holiday.

“Players are very strong about growing the international game. No one can stop it really.

“I mean, me, George and Tom, Gareth Widdop, James Graham, Adam Blair, Shaun Johnson … it is a good opportunity.


“I think it is a bit selfish or short sighted (to try and cancel it).”
 

Pommy

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They'll double down.

If players like Burgess, Graham and Widdop along with the likes of Johnson come out with a united front and point out the disgusting double standards I think the Australian people would back them, of course there would still be a vocal number who just label them whinging poms.
 

adamkungl

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If players like Burgess, Graham and Widdop along with the likes of Johnson come out with a united front and point out the disgusting double standards I think the Australian people would back them, of course there would still be a vocal number who just label them whinging poms.

The English senior players and coach have stood up, time for Johnson, RTS, Blair, Luke, Proctor, Harris, Bromwich to do the same.

What are the clubs gonna do, sack their best players?
 

Pommy

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The English senior players and coach have stood up, time for Johnson, RTS, Blair, Luke, Proctor, Harris, Bromwich to do the same.

What are the clubs gonna do, sack their best players?

This is what I don’t understand the discontent this must be causing has to be outweighing any benefit.
 

titoelcolombiano

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Is it time that the national bodies of Australia, England and New Zealand (and any other nation that can afford it) sign their top players on central contracts so that they also have a say on their availability to avoid situations like this in the future?

Cancel match payments for all internationals and origin matches and sign up the rep players up to head office on a contract (this can also help top up salaries to prevent union poaching). Then on designated rep weekends, the international bodies can say - we employ the players for rep duties. They are under contract and must be released to us.

I know NZ don't have any cash but surely if they can make match payments from TV rights and ticket sales to internationals, they can find a way to pay their top 25 stars a contracted rate to play half-a-dozen internationals a year.
 

Burns

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NZRL just shared on their social media profiles about the NZ Herald article on their team doctor saying there is no health risks.

An official endorsement from NZ then?
 
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