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NPK

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The All Blacks did the haka in the dressing rooms (the Welsh team was also there of course) rather than on the pitch because they were sooking that they would have to wait for the Welsh response (their anthem) before kicking off. Isn't the haka a challenge? If so, surely a response would be allowed?
 

ozbash

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The All Blacks performed their pre-match haka Ka Mate in the dressing rooms ahead of this morning's test against Wales in response to Welsh Ruby Union (WRU) plans to change where the haka occurred in the pre-match programme.

Usually the haka is the last thing to happen before kickoff but the WRU wanted it followed by the national anthem of Wales. The All Blacks refused to co-operate and kept the haka out of the public gaze.

When the crowd at Millennium Stadium realised the haka wasn't going to take place, there were boos and calls of "haka, haka".

The fans were given no explanation as to why the haka had been cancelled although the media were handed out a press release from the WRU and were emailed one from the NZRU - suggesting there was enough time to have told the crowd what was happening.

The incident is embarrassing to both sides.

There is a history to this incident. Last year the WRU asked the All Blacks to replicate what had happened before the famous 1905 game between the two sides, when the haka occurred between national anthems.

Because it was the centenary of the 1905 game, the All Blacks agreed to the request on the basis it was strictly a one-off. The fact Wales had tried the same trick again annoyed the All Blacks

After the match, New Zealand coach Graham Henry said: "Last year in Wales for the centenary game, they told us that in 1905, apparently, the haka was done at different time - to keep with the 100 years celebrations it was changed. But the word was given to us it wouldn't happen again but then they asked us to do the same again and we said no so it was stalement."

Asked whether fans would have been disappointed not to see the haka, Henry said it was "about the players, it is not done for the fans or the crowd, it was done for New Zealand rugby and the players themselves".

All Blacks captain Richie McCaw said the players didn't make the decision "lightly".

"It's disappointing for fans but it's been traditional to do it the way it's been done and there wasn't a good reason to change it.

"If the other team wants to mess around, we'll just do the haka in the shed. At the end of the day, haka is about spiritual preparation and we do it for ourselves. Traditionally fans can share the experience too and it's sad that they couldn't see it today."

The WRU said it consulted two prominent Maori cultural experts - Amster Reedy, who was the cultural attache with the Commonwealth Games team this year, and Victoria Univeristy's Professor Piri Sciascia - before making its request.

In a statement, the WRU said: "The WRU have been informed by a top Maori expert and cultural advisor that the haka is performed to invite a response from the opposing team and were told to stand strong in front of the All Blacks, be defiant, eyeball them and sing it in a way that says "this is us, this is who we are, we're tanagata whenua.

"The WRU took advice from Maori chiefs (kaumatua) before last year's game and were assured that the haka was performed to invite a response from the opposing team.

"This year, the NZRU were informed...that the formal response from the Wales team and the Welsh nation would be the Welsh national anthem Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau.

"Following lengthy discussions with the New Zealand team management, the Welsh rugby union were saddened to learn that the All Blacks decided not to perform their the haka prior to the match."

The dispute started on October 16 when the WRU informed the NZRU of the formal pre-match protocol.

WRU Roger Lewis said he would now take the matter to the International Rugby Board to sort out.

Asked if he thought his organisation was being childish, Lewis said: "I don't think so. I thought we offered a chance for it to be performed."
 

Sanchez

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NPK said:
The All Blacks did the haka in the dressing rooms (the Welsh team was also there of course) rather than on the pitch because they were sooking that they would have to wait for the Welsh response (their anthem) before kicking off. Isn't the haka a challenge? If so, surely a response would be allowed?
they do the haka when they want. take it or leave it
 

bayrep

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NPK said:
The All Blacks did the haka in the dressing rooms (the Welsh team was also there of course) rather than on the pitch because they were sooking that they would have to wait for the Welsh response (their anthem) before kicking off. Isn't the haka a challenge? If so, surely a response would be allowed?

Yes the opposing team gets to do their own challange after the Haka in the same way that Aus sang the Waltzing Mitilda(?) song (Dam annoying song) the Welsh could have done the same.
 

skeepe

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bayrep said:
Yes the opposing team gets to do their own challange after the Haka in the same way that Aus sang the Waltzing Mitilda(?) song (Dam annoying song) the Welsh could have done the same.

No they couldn't. The whole reason the All Blacks didn't do the Haka on the field is because they believe they are above everything and said that the Haka had to be the last thing performed before kick-off.

Given the "Waltzing Matilda" precedent, as well as last year's European Tour where the Welsh anthem was sung after the Haka, I can't fathom why the All Blacks have done this, unless they wanted to increase the hate that all the other nations in world rugby have towards them. It smacks of arrogance and I'll laugh oh so hard when they fall over in the semis of the World Cup yet again.
 

ozbash

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The whole reason the All Blacks didn't do the Haka on the field is because they believe they are above everything and said that the Haka had to be the last thing performed before kick-off.

they are above everything.

should they do it at half time skeepey ?

why should the welsh rugby union dictate All Black (and New Zealand) tradition and culture.? even the aussies realised how disrespectful they were and got that twinkieh williams to sing Waltzing Matilda after the haka.
 

skeepe

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Tell me ozbash what's wrong with a team replying to the Haka. Are the All Blacks so precious that they can't handle it?
 

SpaceMonkey

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skeepe said:
Tell me ozbash what's wrong with a team replying to the Haka. Are the All Blacks so precious that they can't handle it?

If the Welsh players wanted to do a Morris Dance (or whatever the welsh do) after the Haka, that would have been fine.
 

edabomb

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It would of been quite a sight seeing them line up for the NZ anthem, go off do the haka and then come back and line up again for the Welsh anthem.
 

Sanchez

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haka comes after the anthem.
how come the welsh cant do a dance during the haka. why doint they just do that
 

bayrep

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I think I would p!ss myself if I had seen the Welsh do a morris dance. Or even if they had pullled out a may-fair pole and dance around that.
 

shiznit

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hahahaha... so your pathetic wannabies are now so hopeless you wannabies fans have to hope and pray that NZ beat themselves in the RWC....

well skeepe... if you goto church everyday and pray to god everynight for the next 10 months then maybe... just maybe....the wobblies might make it past the 1/4's.

but im affraid no amount of praying will stop the all black machine from advancing to paris and claiming the spoils...

the wobblies best hope is to aim for RWC2015. because you certainly aint going to win it in 2011.
 

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