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O/T Bird to walk free as conviction quashed

lingard

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Hi Lingard

A user pays system does not make a criminal out of a citizen who refuses to pay for what he already owns. Those who created and enforced a user pay system are the criminals and who do you think they are????

The user pays system is a new/recent phenomena. It evolved out of the Lima treaty becoming GAT down-the-line during the 1970's.

Up until the late 50's/early-mid 60's we only had a 1/2% income tax that came and went a few times and the odd 1/2% sales tax. From Federation onwards there were no other taxes in existence including super, workers comp, etc. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE FOR NEARLY 60 YEARS.

When we completed the Snowy Mountains River Scheme/Hydro Electric System there was no debt owed to anyone, we the people (citizens) of this nation owned it 100%. WHY??? (use your brain & work it out).

Why did we sell Telstra to ourselves when we already owned it?????

Why have we done this (acted insane) with almost everything else we owned 100%?

Are we now going to sell water back to ourselves as well??? and what about air (carbon tax)??


A family of 4 today pays around $600.00 per week (could be $800 p/w now - in a rush to check this) in indirect taxes. After Federation and for more than 50 years it was almost zilch (if any).


When we create money and issue it into the money supply debt free/interest free it stays in circulation without ever having to cancel its existence or cause inflation but today, all monies get cancelled out of circulation because they are created as debt (as the loan is payed off).

From.....

Corporation Australia - 16th January 2007
http://nospam06.com.au/content/07/01/15/corporation-australia

Australia was bankrupted in the early 1930s and the gold standard was removed so it has been a long time since the money we use has been backed by any real wealth, i.e. gold and silver. The gold was confiscated by private banks whose assets have been increasing at $30 billion dollars per month since 1985 to now be worth well over $1.2 trillion dollars today, double the value of Australia’s economy.


The debt finance/credit creation system lends you ten apples but demands that you pay back eleven. If we imagine that all of the loans (mortgages, personal and business loans, overdrafts, bonds, credit cards, etc,) created in Australia over the last five years equal five trillion apples with an interest rate of 10%, an extra .5 trillion apples must be paid to the bank on top of the original five trillion. Where are we supposed to find the extra apples?



They do not exist, as they were never provided in the first place. A percentage of the .5 trillion will come from the original apples floating around in the apple supply with others being paid by further borrowings of apples. Those that can’t find any spare apples and cannot or do not want to borrow anymore, have to give up their common wealth assets. After more than 100 years of applying this despicable tactic and when the dust has finally settled, the common wealth of Terra Australis will be 100% owned by private corporations. This is the real goal of those behind the private corporations.



Imagine the Australian apple supply is a bathtub, which is half full with the tap on and the plug out. All the water pouring in is the 5 trillion new apple loans and all the water pouring out is the 5 trillion apples being used to pay off the 5.5 trillion-apple debt. If the tap was turned off with no more apples available, the level in the bathtub would go down because all bank & finance loans must still be paid off regardless of how low the apple level becomes. Banks have no plugs. Many Australian’s get caught as the apple level drops and drops. There just aren’t enough apples to service everyone’s debt. We will be .5 trillion short to balance the ledger. When you take this example and imagine the scam operating over 100 years you can see how the crime syndicate has gradually cheated the commoners from all their common wealth.



If the crime syndicate wants inflation they just turn the tap on full blast and the apple level reaches or flows over the top of the tub. If they want a recession they turn the tap down so that less apples pour in to the tub while more apples flow out of the tub. If they want a depression they just turn the tap off. If a depression hits rock bottom, the tub is empty but the banks still want their interest payments, which means up to four million Australians will be bankrupted unless an amnesty kicks in. The crime syndicate manipulates the apple level to suit their greed for common wealth.



Whatever apples are in the bathtub is what we all use to trade our goods and services. In America a major depression occurred prior WW2; the commoners had no paper money or coins but all shops were full of stock, willing labour was a plenty, but there was no money. How absurd can life get! People were forced to barter or starve and the black market flourished. Are we heading for similar times shortly? We think so. Mammon credit has become the fence that separates the human cattle from Mammon’s food, shelter, security and freedom. No credit = no options, no freedom, no life.



The cost of supplying the five trillion apples is minimal, nowhere near .5 trillion. So why are we told that we need to give back 10% more apples than we borrowed? There is no reason other than to make more apples for those who lent them. Interest rates are arbitrary; rises and falls in interest rates are manipulated to suit the agenda of the apple lenders. Just as a tradesperson can decide to charge $30.00 an hour or $130.00 an hour, so interest rates go up and down at the whim of the lenders. It has nothing to do with the amount of apples lent and circulating in the apple supply.



The trade of goods and services does not cause inflation. If you and I agree to exchange a box of bananas for a sheepskin, our exchange does not cause inflation; the values of the box of bananas and the sheepskin do not change. Whether communities or nations are exchanging (barter) the same applies; there is no inflation.


Why is it that financial institutions are allowed to ask for more than they give? If a tradesperson worked 3 hours and tried to charge for five, we would be outraged. If the sun wanted 10% return over and above what it gives out there would be no earth today because the sun would have swallowed up the earth due to outstanding interest payments.


Unfortunately money and material wealth is an intoxicating mix. Those that have it are happy to live the lie in blissful ignorance and apathy. Those that don't have it, continue to allow themselves to be motivated by greed and envy in order to get it. It's a sad reality.




As stated, the main tool for the takeover of this country, from the outset, has been debt finance/credit creation issued by private corporation banks and financial institutions. This “money”, created out of thin air, is not backed by common wealth but is used to take the common wealth from the men and women of Terra Australis.



Debt finance/credit creation is owned by private corporations; it is never part of the common wealth and we can never own it and this is why credit creation, by association, is known as debt. We have to give it all back and the extra fees and interest attached to it have to come from our common wealth, as they were never lent to us, and besides, this is the only real wealth that the men and women of Terra Australis have to pay their debts.

Now use your brain Lingard and answer your own questions. I have just clearly answered them for you. Leran more by reading more of Corporation Australia or explore many booklets, articles and videos on banking/finance/credit creation here: How Banks Counterfeit Money: http://nospam06.com.au/category/main/banks

Fine, Casper. But if you are saying that I, as an ordinary citizen, own the rail syatem and therefore should not need to pay for my fare, then I ask you again, who is going to pay for the upkeep and maintenance and renewal of infrastucture and systems and freight to keep the bloody thing going? And then it would be people like me (and probably you) as ordinary citizens, who would be the first to complain that we do not have a workable raiway system.
You see, your philosophy is only a theoretical concept; it can`t work in the real world. I hope you`re not one of these people who thinks that 'the government' should provide everything. As for the criminalisation of people who don`t pay fares - well, a user-pay system can only work if the user actually pays. And if that is not enforced most users won`t pay. So it is enforced. How have you got a problem with that?
 

Maroubra Eel

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I like the idea about printing up some money and it not causing inflation. Maybe the mint could print us all up $1 billion dollars. We could all be filthy rich.
 

Casper The Ghost

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Fine, Casper. But if you are saying that I, as an ordinary citizen, own the rail syatem and therefore should not need to pay for my fare, then I ask you again, who is going to pay for the upkeep and maintenance and renewal of infrastucture and systems and freight to keep the bloody thing going? And then it would be people like me (and probably you) as ordinary citizens, who would be the first to complain that we do not have a workable raiway system.
You see, your philosophy is only a theoretical concept; it can`t work in the real world. I hope you`re not one of these people who thinks that 'the government' should provide everything. As for the criminalisation of people who don`t pay fares - well, a user-pay system can only work if the user actually pays. And if that is not enforced most users won`t pay. So it is enforced. How have you got a problem with that?

Hi Lingard
If you are up for it I recommend learning all about economic life for Aussies between late 1890 and up to the mid 1960's, how the citizens were printing almost ALL the money into circulation via its co-ownership of government (the mint, reserve bank, comm bank, treasury, etc). All this money created by the citizens was paying up to 99% of all government (the peoples government) infrastructure, expansion/upgrades and operating costs etc.

One of many books to read is by Jeremy Lee - Australia 2000 What Shall We Tell our Children - Jeremy Lee also created quite a few videos back in the mid 1990's to early 2000's: http://www.jeremylee.com.au/about.php

Once you really know our early economic history you might be able to answer ALL your questions and probes raised with me.
 

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