Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part III

[Spot On]

EL D, neither you or I know what they have or haven;t got. As I said maybe they have nothing and it will be one of the biggest stuff ups of all time or maybe they have got plenty but feel no rush to nail who they have got until they have exhausted the fishing trip to see who else they might catch. There are probably numerous levels of this, players, then the clubs, then the suppliers, then the criminal link through the suppliers. It is highly unlikely there is nothing going to come of it, I hope that is the case for the rep of the game but it is probably just wishful thinking.

Then what are they waiting for. Get it over with. Why drag this out for what looks like could be years at this pace.

 

[Canard]

Then what are they waiting for. Get it over with. Why drag this out for what looks like could be years at this pace.

No idea, but I speculate so they can get to all of the people including the ringleaders.

I assume its a similar scenario to not wanting to just book a couple of crooks for parking fines when they want to get to there boss.

There is also the whole "due process" stuff to.

 

[Danish]

That whole "due process stuff" only comes into it once someone has actually, you know, BEEN CHARGED.

Police don't let a murder suspect walk the streets for months on end until they have their complete prosecution case ready to go. They arrest and charge them as soon as evidence comes to light, lock them up, then go about building their case for the trial (thats where the due process part kicks in).

If ASADA had enough evidence to ban people without interviews, they'd have done it by now. If they had hard evidence that Wade Graham was a drug cheat, for example, they'd have laid it out for him in the interview and simply informed him he can keep his mouth shut and walk out with a 2 year ban, or give them assistance and reduce that to 1 year or even 6 months if he assists in bringing down others.

They would not simply allow him to leave and send it back to the lawyers to try and redefine how much cooperation players have to give to them.

 

[Perth Red]

That whole "due process stuff" only comes into it once someone has actually, you know, BEEN CHARGED.

Police don't let a murder suspect walk the streets for months on end until they have their complete prosecution case ready to go. They arrest and charge them as soon as evidence comes to light, lock them up, then go about building their case for the trial (thats where the due process part kicks in).

If ASADA had enough evidence to ban people without interviews, they'd have done it by now. If they had hard evidence that Wade Graham was a drug cheat, for example, they'd have laid it out for him in the interview and simply informed him he can keep his mouth shut and walk out with a 2 year ban, or give them assistance and reduce that to 1 year or even 6 months if he assists in bringing down others.

They would not simply allow him to leave and send it back to the lawyers to try and redefine how much cooperation players have to give to them.

Again you are assuming that all there is to this is the possible misuse by a handful of players. Asada may well be after bigger fish to fry and are gathering the evidence to make cases against clubs/suppliers/others. As you said if all they were after was wade graham then your right, either they would have charged him or they have no evidence, I suspect the players are the bottom of the pile in who they are after.

Re you police comment, actually yes they do let petty criminals walk the streets whilst they gather evidence or use them as informants.

 

[Parra]

Asada may well be after bigger fish to fry and are gathering the evidence to make cases against clubs/suppliers/others.

Is that even ASADA's job? A lot of things they should test for are legal except in very specific circumstances. A lot of the substances they should test for are medicine. Legality is not an issue. What "cases" would ASADA have any interest in outside testing sportspeople and keeping records of the results?

 

[Danish]

Once said petty criminal makes it clear he won't be an informant they generally don't just let them off the hook.

They clearly have nothing on Graham or else he'd be suspended right now. ASADA doesn't need to meet anything like the same level of proof as a criminal case, so if they even have circumstantial evidence they'd have banned him (or threatened him with it and got the info from him they must believe he has)

 

[CrazyTiger]

Police don't let a murder suspect walk the streets for months on end until they have their complete prosecution case ready to go. They arrest and charge them as soon as evidence comes to light, lock them up, then go about building their case for the trial (thats where the due process part kicks in).

What a load of rubbish.

Example 1) Sef Gonzales, suspect from day one, walked the streets for almost a year until they charged him with triple homicide.

Example 2) Xin Lin or whatever his name is. Walked the streets for over a year until they charged him with murdering 5 people. Suspect from very early days.

Gathering evidence takes time.

 

[CrazyTiger]

If ASADA had enough evidence to ban people without interviews, they'd have done it by now. If they had hard evidence that Wade Graham was a drug cheat, for example, they'd have laid it out for him in the interview and simply informed him he can keep his mouth shut and walk out with a 2 year ban, or give them assistance and reduce that to 1 year or even 6 months if he assists in bringing down others.

They would not simply allow him to leave and send it back to the lawyers to try and redefine how much cooperation players have to give to them.

This is rubbish as well. They are setting the ground rules for all the interviews to come. Wade Graham is just one of many. Calling off the interview had nothing to do with him per se.

 

[Patorick]

Wow.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...explosive-report/story-e6freuy9-1226633691088

Court stops The Daily Telegraph publishing Cronulla Sharks report

Vanda Carson and Amy Dale
The Daily Telegraph
May 02, 2013 10:29AM

THE Cronulla Sharks have today won a legal injunction to stop The Daily Telegraph from quoting a chronology prepared for its board relating to alleged anti-doping rule violations in 2011.

NSW Supreme Court judge Justice Nigel Rein has today said he believes it is "appropriate" for the injunction, temporarily granted on Saturday night, to continue indefinitely.

In an affidavit read to the court this week Darren Kane, the lawyer who advised the club, said he was seeking the injunction because former "employees and contractors" of the club had "threatened" to sue the club.

Cronulla's former sport scientist Stephen Dank has admitted Jon Mannah was given peptides while he played with the club, just two years after he was diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma. He died in January after a relapse.

Mr Kane, from Sydney law firm Colin Love and Co, did not say what sort of lawsuit had been threatened, but it is understood it was for defamation or breach of confidentiality.

He also said the club would be "exposed" to the risk of future lawsuits by "current and former contracted" rugby league players.

Mr Kane said if a 39-page legal advice he gave to the club board on February 27, and another advice from Alan Sullivan QC, were published by The Daily Telegraph, it could also "prejudice... the ongoing ASADA/ARL/NRL investigation" into "current and former employees of the club".

Mr Kane states the phrase ``current employees" refers to "a number of professional rugby league players who are contracted to the (club)",

“The legal advice ... deal with very serious issues presently faced by the (club),” he stated.

Mr Kane told the court he was concerned The Daily Telegraph would "further publish" his legal advice, and the advice given by Mr Sullivan, pointing to comments journalist Rebecca Wilson made on a Triple M radio show on Saturday.

When Ms Wilson was asked if she had "seen more" than sections referring to Jon Mannah, she said "yes", and said further stories would be published "next week".

"We also have information coming in that verifies other stuff in that report in the next few days," Ms Wilson said.

The court heard although the Daily Telegraph's stories attributed quotes having come from an "independent report" by former ASADA board member Dr Trish Kavanagh, they were mostly quotes from Mr Kane's 39 page advice.

Some quotes came from a "chronology of facts" prepared by Dr Kavanagh "based on her investigations undertaken" until February 26, the court heard.

Justice Rein stated the reports on the stories appeared to have "confused" Mr Kane's advice for the Kavanagh report.

Mr Kane states in his affidavit the advice he gave to the board was marked "strictly confidential - subject to privilege and not for circulation beyond the director's and the club's legal advisors" the top of each page.

Mr Kane says Mr Sullivan's advice ran to 21 pages.

Bitching aside, they acknowleged it. And straight away.

 

[El Diablo]

suck shit News Ltd scum

 

[Canard]

Justice Rein stated the reports on the stories appeared to have "confused" Mr Kane's advice for the Kavanagh report.

Few LU people were ripping shit out of the wrong person in relation to this then.

 

[Eion]

So the court has confirmed the below SMH article. Namely the little news ltd grubs have read a legal risk assessment which...being what a risk assessment is all about.....no doubt entertained any number of different scenarios. They plucked what they wanted and there you have a front page story. Scum.


http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...glad-i-didnt-have-to-make-20130429-2io3x.html

However, the information that formed the basis of last week's reports was not from the club's internal investigation, the document that has come to be known as the Kavanagh report. Rather, it was taken from the legal-risk assessment undertaken by lawyer Darren Kane of Colin W. Love and Co on behalf of the Sharks. Kane's assessment was not included in the initial report compiled for Kavanagh and submitted to the NRL.

Kane merely stated that if Mannah – as a member of the 17-man NRL squad for five of Cronulla's matches during the 12-week period from March to May 2011 – had been one of the players who took the supplements the Sharks have been accused of using, and if a subsequent link between those substances and his condition was proven, the legal exposure faced by the club "has the potential to be as serious as matters could get".

 

[Perth Red]

Where's wickileaks when you need it? Come on you are dying to see the report, admit it!

 

[El Diablo]

the original story has been removed too http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...on-mannahs-death/story-e6frexrr-1226629608852

 

[El Diablo]

also removed from The Australian http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...on-mannahs-death/story-fncagcd8-1226629645835

 

[Canard]

I see in Mascord's column today that the Tele is getting petty and refusing to run a previously arranged story on Souths membership total because of the reaction.

It's great to see the complete breakdown of News relationship only months after there divestment, and there clear agenda to white ant David Smith and John Grant and roping in Hadley also.

 

[Patorick]

Little Miss Bourbon's rant still on Triple M:

http://austereo.castmetrix.net/podcast/378302368699197214/1/BestofDSLApril27Hour2.mp3

 

[ek999]

I see in Mascord's column today that the Tele is getting petty and refusing to run a previously arranged story on Souths membership total because of the reaction.

It's great to see the complete breakdown of News relationship only months after there divestment, and there clear agenda to white ant David Smith and John Grant and roping in Hadley also.

He did a really good opinion piece on it here

http://www.rlfans.com/index.php?id=1178

 

[undertaker]

Reminds me of when the News Ltd articles regarding the man who murdered Jill Meagher were also removed from Daily Telegraph etc.

 

[Patorick]

He did a really good opinion piece on it here

http://www.rlfans.com/index.php?id=1178

Good article.

Would be even better if he mentioned being friends with Hooper though.