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Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation

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Meth

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To the people saying that they want names and they want charges or shut it down, be careful. You might get what you wish for. It could be ouch.

I want names. Otherwise everybody is under suspicion. If somebody has done something wrong, and it can be proven, expose them. Otherwise, shut up.
 

Spot On

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To the people saying that they want names and they want charges or shut it down, be careful. You might get what you wish for. It could be ouch.

I wish for names. According to the ACC and ASADA boss there are shitloads of them. Get them out there.

It won't be ouch. By the time something actually happens it will be "phew".

TV stations are already creating "specials" by where the guests all have the same info to provide. Nothing.

Let's not be careful, Let's have some facts.
 
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Parra

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It took a bookmaker to state the obvious in the face of all the political grandstanding

"Australian sport is very highly regarded for its integrity," Nugent said.


Pity none of the administrators would stand up and say the same instead of all the long faces and vague allegations.
 

Frailty

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The problem with this article about the bookmakers...

Do you really think match fixing that has been arranged by organised criminal gangs would really go through the 'legitimate' betting agencies?

Please.
 

Parra

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The problem with this article about the bookmakers...

Do you really think match fixing that has been arranged by organised criminal gangs would really go through the 'legitimate' betting agencies?

Please.

If Jason Clare's match fixing allegations are true, who do you think they are fleecing?

Results aren't fixed just to win the local tipping comp.
 

Frailty

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If Jason Clare's match fixing allegations are true, who do you think they are fleecing?

Results aren't fixed just to win the local tipping comp.


Yes... Because it's either the legitimate bookmakers or local tipping comp...

Just do a quick search for 'illegal gambling dens Australia' in google and you will find what sort of gambling organised crime would be using.
 

Sphagnum

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The problem with this article about the bookmakers...

Do you really think match fixing that has been arranged by organised criminal gangs would really go through the 'legitimate' betting agencies?

Please.

The other problem with that article is that somebody apparently had $200 on Here De Angels which is akin to putting fifties through a shredder.
 

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Yes... Because it's either the legitimate bookmakers or local tipping comp...

Just do a quick search for 'illegal gambling dens Australia' in google and you will find what sort of gambling organised crime would be using.


The fix is in to fleece the mug punters. If you think the TAB pools wouldn't be the number one target then you don't know what you are talking about.
 

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...cc-investigation/story-e6frg7mf-1226578247263


Drugs inquiry 'amateur hour' - former senator John Black slams ACC investigation
JOHN Black, the former Labor senator who in the late 1980s chaired the first government-appointed inquiry into drugs in sport in Australia, has labelled the present Australian Crime Commission investigation as "amateur hour".

The Senate inquiry headed by Black, which ran concurrently with the Dubin inquiry set up by Canada after Ben Johnson tested positive at the 1988 Seoul Olympics, pioneered drugs-in-sport reform not just in this country but globally. It led directly to the establishment of the Australian Sports Drug Agency - the forerunner to the present Australian Sports Anti-Doping Agency - and indirectly to the creation in 1999 of the World Anti-Doping Agency.
The Black inquiry, conducted nearly a quarter of a century ago, covered virtually the same ground being explored by the ACC, including the possibility of organised crime infiltrating sport through the supply of drugs, the danger associated with athletes being administered drugs intended for veterinary use and the involvement of corrupt doctors and sporting officials.


Ironically, Black recommended the creation of not just a drug-testing authority to come under the control of the health minister but of a separate investigative body - much like the ACC - that would be subject to a law-enforcement minister.
A "reform weary" Hawke government set up only the drug-testing body and although the Howard government in 2004 rebranded ASDA as ASADA and gave the new body broader investigative powers, Black is convinced the original plan for two separate bodies would have served Australian sport better.
He argued that the problem of drugs in sport warranted constant and ongoing supervision and called for the establishment of a new Senate inquiry or the creation of a standing royal commission.
"That need clearly still exists and, if anything, it's made all the more urgent by 20 years of people sitting on their hands," Black told The Australian yesterday.
But he has little regard for the way the present investigation has been handled and sympathises with innocent athletes and sports angered by the fact they have been embroiled in what he views as a fairly cynical political exercise.
"Well, why the hell wouldn't they (be angry)?" he asked. "It was just amateur hour. You looked at it and you thought, 'Oh my god, this is going to end in tears.' But it kept the Eddie Obeid (ICAC) inquiry off the front pages for a week, so that was the purpose of it.
"It was clearly some kind of media diversion but it was at the expense of sport. It's had a melancholy and predictable conclusion, that very little is going to get done, I think, out of this. And unfortunately, people are going to be much more wary of people crying wolf next time.
"Next time there is a problem, they will be that much more reluctant to act on it. I think it has been poorly handled, the whole thing. If you've got intelligence, almost by definition you sit on it and you use it. You don't tell the world."
Yet even the earth-shaking revelations to emerge from the orchestrated press conference given by Justice Minister Jason Clare, Sport Minister Kate Lundy and the ACC - with the heads of Australia's major sporting bodies in attendance and lending weight to the occasion - surprised Black not at all.
"Nothing I read or heard about the ACC report was anything we weren't familiar with 23 years ago," he said.
"Why wouldn't organised crime be involved with sports drugs because traditionally the police don't do anything about it? It's just money for jam."
The one issue the ACC had investigated that was left untouched by the Senate inquiry in the late 80s was the extent of gambling in sport.
But since the sports are willing participants in that gambling and, indeed, profit from it while punishing any of their athletes who get involved in it, he had little sympathy for them.
"I am just appalled at the advertising for gambling in sports programs, the current exotic betting odds ... I'm repelled by that. I think it's appalling and I think the sports that do it should be condemned for it.
"The emerging problem that has come up has been gambling and sport has embraced it.
"I don't get how a government can get all wowser-ish about tobacco and then turn a blind eye to this.
"And I don't know how sport can embrace it either, bearing in mind what has happened on the subcontinent. It's sitting up and begging for trouble."
Black, too, believed the AFL had reaped what it sowed when it rejected his recommendation that any player found guilty of taking drugs should be banned for two years for a first offence and then for life for any subsequent offence.
"Well, the AFL has circumvented its way around that with its three-strikes policy," said Black, who worked with both the AFL and the then NSWRL, the precursor to the NRL, in setting up their drug-enforcement policies. "We recommended against that 23 years ago!" He revealed he had strongly cautioned the NSWRL against adopting an interchange rule because he feared it would lead to the creation of a drug culture in rugby league but had been politely ignored.
"You're asking for trouble because a guy who is chemically enhanced can come on, perform like a battering ram for 10 minutes, come off, rest up and come back and do it again and I don't think that's fair on guys who can play 80 minutes of football, for a start.
"But knowing what I know about what can bring up that sort of condition, I don't like it."
Black also regrets that his committee's recommendation that any sport that experienced three drug positives within a 12-month period should los its government funding for a year was not implemented.
Asked if such a proposal was still viable, he replied: "Absolutely. Chuck them out. You've got schoolkids, you want to send them along to school and you don't want them to be involved in a sport that is peddling dope."
 

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Did we previously know there were 34 players involved or did that article just sneak that in.

34 from 6 clubs.
 

sharko

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I made the msitake of watching a channel 9 "special investigation" last nite into the drug/fixing probe.
What an absolute wank.
Channel 9 are fouling themselves that they have paid massive overs for the NRL for the next 5 years but are watching their investment lose value with this drug scrutiny.
The panel of experts included the old bully boy Ray Hadley, who rambled on like he was half cut and looked like Singo after a heavy nite.
Phil Gould was there even tho his club is under scrutiny so surely his opinion cannot be taken as fact.
The new NRL CEO looked like a rabbit in the headlights and Lockyer was just Lockyer, mumbles and makes no sense.
It appeared to be a party political for the Liberal party as they all tried to blame the govt for investiagting this mess in the first place.
It was self interest tv at its worse, I do wish someone else had got the tv rights!
 

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Black also regrets that his committee's recommendation that any sport that experienced three drug positives within a 12-month period should los its government funding for a year was not implemented.
Asked if such a proposal was still viable, he replied: "Absolutely. Chuck them out. You've got schoolkids, you want to send them along to school and you don't want them to be involved in a sport that is peddling dope."

This quote really stands out. It would make the sports administrators take the issue seriously.

A lot of sense in what this bloke is saying. The article posted by elbusto is well worth reading.
 

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Football Federation Australia (FFA) wishes to correct media reports that more than $A40 million was wagered in Asia on a Hyundai A-League match in December 2012.

FFA can confirm that the amount wagered was in fact in vicinity of $A5 million.

The error occurred when media outlets reported the estimated figure in Australian dollars instead of the correct denomination of Hong Kong dollars.

The bets were held on the Round 10 fixture between Adelaide United and Melbourne Victory at Hindmarsh Stadium on Friday 7 December 2012.

The media reports also incorrectly stated that law enforcement agencies investigating match fixing were concentrating on an A-League match.

FFA has been advised that no A-League matches are subject to investigation by Australian law enforcement agencies.

“FFA wants to correct the coverage that has cast a shadow over one Hyundai A-League match,” FFA CEO David Gallop said.

“Our integrity systems gave us the assurance that there were no concerns with the match at Hindmarsh Stadium.

“FFA has sympathy for the clubs, players and officials in that match who got caught up in that story. It’s a reminder that everyone must be careful to deal with the real evidence. The facts can have a calming effect and this is a case in point.”

In relation to today’s meeting of COMPPS (the Coalition of Major Professional and Participation Sports), the FFA CEO said:

“The meeting with the CEOs of the major sports was a chance to get an update on the events of the last week since the Federal Government requested us to attend a media conference in Canberra,” Gallop said.

“The AFL and NRL indicated that they are involved in ongoing issues, but that the focus is not on match fixing.

“All sports confirmed that they have strict drug and integrity policies in place. We will all review those policies as appropriate.

“I reiterate that no specific concerns have been raised in relation to football, but as a sport we will remain vigilant in this area.”

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au...cts-reports-on-Hyundai-ALeague-wagering/60842
 
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