Organised crime and ElephantJuice in sport investigation part IV

[ek999]

What makes you say that Frailty?

 

[Perth Red]

His sig I suspect!

 

[carcharias]

Do cordoba and Gordon work together in the same mine in QLD?

 

[Canard]

Gordon and Cordoba's legal action are both very weak cases that are likely to be thrown out on the first day they are in court.

If any action (and that seems to be big IF at the moment) is taken by ASADA against any club I would suspect that a court would be more than willing to hear such cases.

Especially if its proven that the players weren't fully aware of what was given to them (which by the way ISN'T a defence when it comes to ASADA, but may be when it comes to the law)

 

[DJShaksta]

If any action (and that seems to be big IF at the moment) is taken by ASADA against any club I would suspect that a court would be more than willing to hear such cases.

Especially if its proven that the players weren't fully aware of what was given to them (which by the way ISN'T a defence when it comes to ASADA, but may be when it comes to the law)

Do players sign off on individual substances? No they do not.
It's not as if the players signed a consent form to be injected with legal substance A and/or B, but then they got legal substance C and/or D.

 

[Eion]

Gordon and Cordoba's legal action are both very weak cases that are likely to be thrown out on the first day they are in court.

They have to be after a quick settlement, hoping the sharks will just cough up a bit of dough to piss them off. I struggle to see what their loss actually is.

 

[Diesel]

I suspect anything illegal or experimental ElephantJuice given was not fully disclosed to players

 

[Frailty]

What makes you say that Frailty?

For them to get any monetary money they need to prove that something untoward happened, that the club were responsible, and that they have been suffered damage financially, physically, and/or emotionally.

Even if before it goes to court, the ASADA investigation shows issues with Cronulla's programs - they would be hard pressed to show any damages to them financially or physically. They could not ask for loss of future earnings unlike currently contracted and playing players.

What will happen (if ASADA don't wrap up their investigation before then) is it will go to a judge, and he will either throw it out or he will accept it and set a date for it to be heard. If the latter, the Sharks will then go to settle to prevent the risk.

 

[gronkathon]

I will wait to see what evidence is actually presented

 

[Card Shark]

Especially if its proven that the players weren't fully aware of what was given to them (which by the way ISN'T a defence when it comes to ASADA, but may be when it comes to the law)

Yes, the law may see it differently so we will be legally hammered by any player suspended I'd imagine.

Isn't it a joke WADA are contemplating these changes now - surely this would've been in place already.

If a club official (or person acting on behalf of the club) is "solely" responsible for administering non-approved substances to players under his control, surely that official must bare the brunt of any action. It seems not.

What a c**k-show!

 

[Canard]

Yes, the law may see it differently so we will be legally hammered by any player suspended I'd imagine.

Isn't it a joke WADA are contemplating these changes now - surely this would've been in place already.

If a club official (or person acting on behalf of the club) is "solely" responsible for administering non-approved substances to players under his control, surely that official must bare the brunt of any action. It seems not.

What a c**k-show!

You can see why they have made the athlete responsible however, to avoid the scenario of a dodgy organisation just using a scapegoat to get there players/atheletes off any drug charges.

 

[Canard]

Do players sign off on individual substances? No they do not.
It's not as if the players signed a consent form to be injected with legal substance A and/or B, but then they got legal substance C and/or D.

Who knows whether they have or not?

 

[bottle]

For them to get any monetary money they need to prove that something untoward happened, that the club were responsible, and that they have been suffered damage financially, physically, and/or emotionally.

Even if before it goes to court, the ASADA investigation shows issues with Cronulla's programs - they would be hard pressed to show any damages to them financially or physically. They could not ask for loss of future earnings unlike currently contracted and playing players.

What will happen (if ASADA don't wrap up their investigation before then) is it will go to a judge, and he will either throw it out or he will accept it and set a date for it to be heard. If the latter, the Sharks will then go to settle to prevent the risk.

There's another type?
I'm missing out, I want me some of this non monetary money.

 

[Parra]

There's another type?
I'm missing out, I want me some of this non monetary money.

No worries. I'll sell you some.

 

[bottle]

No worries. I'll sell you some.

Sweet.
Send me your account details and I will direct deposit for you, same as I did for the Nigerian Prince.
Expecting that one to come through any time now.

 

[Card Shark]

You can see why they have made the athlete responsible however, to avoid the scenario of a dodgy organisation just using a scapegoat to get there players/atheletes off any drug charges.

Yes definetely but all cases need to be treated on their merits.

If a club representative has gone out & done this unbeknown to the club, why should the club ( or player ) be heavily penalised.

If a player has done something without the clubs knowledge, well that is clear intent. I suppose Earl has done that in some ways - naive, stupid, (somewhat) intentional or all of the above?

 

[Perth Red]

Good governance and process would clear it all up and stop all this nonsense.
It's simple really:
Club has to get a player to sign an agreement before commencing on a suppliment or treatment programme
The agreement is very clearly laid out what it is they are being given
Players have the choice to agree to the plan or not and sign if they do agree

Its pretty simple! If a club, dr or player goes outside what is in the agreement then the are liable for the consequences. I am amazed that this basic policy isn't in place for the protection of the club, club employees and players already.

 

[Card Shark]

Its pretty simple! If a club, dr or player goes outside what is in the agreement then the are liable for the consequences. I am amazed that this basic policy isn't in place for the protection of the club, club employees and players already.

It's probably typical of the unprofessional side of the NRL. There would be so many areas at a lot of clubs that aren't up to scratch.

 

[Canard]

It's probably typical of the unprofessional side of the NRL. There would be so many areas at a lot of clubs that aren't up to scratch.

Same issues have arisen in the AFL also, I think its more "deliberate" than "unprofessional" in regards to some parties.

 

[Perth Red]

possibly, hopefully something the NRL will take out of the hands of the clubs and make part of the good governance of the game.