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organised crime and juice of the elephant pt V

bluey

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So if the players weren't to blame then the club was? Pretty damning on the poor performance of asada in that statement. Basically saying that due to asada being sht at their job the players copped a very light punishment. doesn't work in this wGood job the criminal system ay!



Sometimes it does, The police don't always get it right
 

canberra_raiders2k2

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Wow the lack of inaction for prolonged periods of time.

How can an organization, attempting to sanction a club regarding doping and etc, spend so long doing nothing??

The file completed in April 2014, yet not acted upon until August 2014? or commenced in November 2013, but not acted upon for many months?

In terms of investigations, this is the most important aspect. The sooner the evidence is collected the better.
 

Canard

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Wow the lack of inaction for prolonged periods of time.

How can an organization, attempting to sanction a club regarding doping and etc, spend so long doing nothing??

The file completed in April 2014, yet not acted upon until August 2014? or commenced in November 2013, but not acted upon for many months?

In terms of investigations, this is the most important aspect. The sooner the evidence is collected the better.

There was lots of "fog" about what drug was legal, what one wasn't, the legality of the process and the AFL must have been smashing there resourcing and taking up most of there time also.

If they jumped early and got stuff wrong, everyone would have been bashing them as incompetent.

The fact that WADA has signed off on this (albiet reluctantly) speaks volumes to me.
 

Pig Champion

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So if the players weren't to blame then the club was? Pretty damning on the poor performance of asada in that statement. Basically saying that due to asada being sht at their job the players copped a very light punishment. Good job the criminal system doesn't work in this way!

Boo f***ing hoo.
 

SadShark

Bench
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So if the players weren't to blame then the club was? Pretty damning on the poor performance of asada in that statement. Basically saying that due to asada being sht at their job the players copped a very light punishment. Good job the criminal system doesn't work in this way!

Me & some of my friends that like to dress as animals are attending the Furry Fingerbang Convention in Perth & we'd love to have you there as our honorary guest, to drown your sorrows, with all at the Sharks club avoiding your suggestion of them taking mandatory tea spoons of Ebola each, for their punishment.

P.S - all the fingerbanging will be down the urethra, so, bring some antihistamines.
 

Pierced Soul

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What usually happens in the criminal system if the cops f**k up is that the crim walks.

its usually the judges who f**k up with pissweak sentences

unfortunately for the sharks, until the matter of "who is to blame" is resolved, there'll always be a stink about the whole thing. if it is indeed the fact that the players were duped, then we still dont know who was responsible for the past few years of misery for the club.
 

Surrogate

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James Hird has lost the plot by appealing. Looks like its all or nothing, with everything to lose.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/sport/us-anti...over-supplements-scandal-20141007-10rep6.html

US anti-doping boss Travis Tygart slams Australia's former government over supplements scandal

Date
October 7, 2014 - 10:00PM

Roy Masters
Rugby League Columnist

The United States' leading investigator into doping in sport has slammed the role of Australia's former federal government in the AFL and NRL supplements saga.

Travis Tygart, the chief executive of the US Anti-Doping Agency, described the intervention of former federal sports minister Kate Lundy and her senior advisors – in seeking to have AFL players escape sanction, while NRL players are penalised – as undermining the global campaign against doping.

"The political influence in the ASADA case in the two football codes in Australia has done a disservice to anti-doping," Tygart said.

Federal Health Minister Peter Dutton, whose portfolio embraces sport, has indicated he will launch a judicial or Senate enquiry into the role of the former government in the supplements investigation.

Dutton has previously stated he would wait until Essendon's Federal Court case against ASADA was over before initiating an enquiry.

Essendon have indicated they will not challenge the comprehensive judgment against the club, while coach James Hird has sought an expedited appeal hearing.

Tygart said he had followed the ASADA case.

"There has been some interaction between the agencies [ASADA and the USADA]," he said.

USADA is independent of government, while ASADA is a quasi-government body with the federal sports minister making major appointments, including the chief executive and the advisory board.

Tygart said he doubted whether he would have been able to successfully prosecute Lance Armstrong if his agency had been subject to the same influence the government exercised over ASADA.

Both US state and federal politicians, principally from Armstrong's home state of Texas, tried to shut down the enquiry into the seven-time Tour de France winner.

Tygart also had three death threats during the Armstrong investigation, and security around him was tightened by the FBI.

"We are independent of sport and government from a governance standpoint, but that didn't stop politicians and sport, in the Lance Armstrong case, from pressuring us," Tygart said.

"When you've got big money at stake, involving actions against high-profile teams that make big money, then big money and power go to work to shut down those people doing their job to protect clean athletes.

"It is politically pleasing to rake dirty athletes over the coals but it can also be politically pleasing to let dirty athletes go free. You can't have it both ways.

"In the US, this would be so if we were subject to the winds of politics."

Justice John Middleton, who presided over Essendon's Federal Court case, was not required to consider the intervention by the then federal government in seeking to have AFL players escape sanction.

However, he did point out the ASADA Act does not allow the minister to give a direction to the ASADA chief executive relating to "a particular athlete, or a particular support person, who is subject to the National Anti-Doping Scheme," or presumably a group of them. He concluded this section of his judgment with: "Ministerial direction outside the specific permission given by the act would normally be treated as impliedly forbidden."

Evidence presented in the Essendon case revealed attempts by senior public servants to have the AFL players escape with a "no-fault defence", which usually applies to athletes who have been administered prohibited drugs while unconscious during medical procedures.

Tygart said: "USADA got a tremendous amount of pressure from UCI [the international cycling body] and both the Senate and House of Representatives, plus some state representatives, pressed for legislation to frustrate us.

"I made four trips to Washington to answer questions. We made a decision to, firstly, disregard all the opposition and, secondly, to move forward with the evidence against Armstrong. Our board and staff remained dedicated and knew we had no choice but to pursue those aims."

Aware that governments can undermine the work of national anti-doping agencies by reducing their grants, Tygart said: "If they cut our funding, we just get new jobs but this will be very sad for clean athletes."
 

Card Shark

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Fox Sports News reporting ASADA have issued updated "show cause" notices to 34 current & former Essendon players.

Each notice details the individuals charges & is up to 350 pages long.

Wow.
 
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Fox Sports News reporting ASADA have issued updated "show cause" notices to 34 current & former Essendon players.

Each notice details the individuals charges & is up to 350 pages long.

Wow.

Sharks players will have served their "12 month bans" before the AFL players get through reading their show cause notices.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...pell-trouble-for-the-afl-20141028-11cxw3.html

ASADA boss Ben McDevitt's WADA mission could spell trouble for the AFL

Date
October 28, 2014 - 5:25PM

Roy Masters
Rugby League Columnist

ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt flew to Montreal on Saturday for meetings with WADA that could have consequences for the AFL if the judgment in the Essendon supplements case is appealed.

WADA must approve any sanctions less than the standard two-year ban for athletes found guilty of taking prohibited substances.

The global anti-doping body, while endorsing the backdated one-year ban given to 12 past and present Cronulla players, was critical of the time delays in bringing the case to a conclusion.

However, neither the Cronulla players, nor the NRL club, took legal action against ASADA, while Essendon launched a Federal Court case against ASADA in June, the day after the anti-doping body issued show-cause notices to 34 past and present Essendon players.

WADA places great importance on admissions of guilt and co-operation with a national anti-doping body when deciding to endorse mitigated bans. While the Essendon players were not a party to the Federal Court action, they were represented by prominent barrister David Grace QC and have persistently maintained they have done nothing wrong.

McDevitt's mission to Montreal is partly to repair relations with WADA, which departed from its usual protocol to criticise Australia and make strident commentary on the Cronulla case.

It issued a statement on September 30 claiming the "number of delays [in the Cronulla case] were directly the result of the lack of activity or decision by either ASADA or the Australian government". The ASADA chief will likely argue that within 25 days of being appointed to his post, he issued infraction notices against the AFL players for the 2012 breaches.

When Essendon launched legal action 24 hours later, it forced him to withdraw an offer of a six-month penalty to the 34 players.

Anxious to then fast forward the Cronulla case, McDevitt was advised by lawyers that he should await the outcome of Essendon's Federal Court case.

One week after ASADA won the Federal Court case, the show-cause letters were issued to the Cronulla players and the matter processed.

Presumably, he would also argue that delays brought by the Federal government in seeking enhanced legislative powers to prosecute drug cheats should be applauded by WADA, rather than criticise an agency for seeking to do its job better.

Maybe he could also point out to WADA that the first line in their press release saying it would not appeal the sanctions imposed "by ASADA on the NRL players" is wrong. ASADA recommends sanctions, which are then imposed by the NRL or AFL.

While the Cronulla and Essendon players have entitlements under the "no significant fault" provision – meaning the standard two-year ban can be reduced to 12 months – the NRL players had a greater claim to backdating their sanctions.

Their ad hoc drug regime took place over a couple of months in 2011, compared to Essendon's season-long program the following year. ASADA's investigation into the AFL started before the NRL probe.

In other words, there was a bigger time gap between the alleged offence and the interview process in the case of Cronulla, compared to Essendon.

Cronulla had nine months of their year sanction backdated, to produce a three-month ban, which is unlikely to be accepted by ASADA if it is repeated by the AFL's tribunal.

If ASADA does not appeal such a judgment – perhaps bowing to the Prime Minister who recently said the case had gone on far too long – WADA can challenge it, based on the lack of substantial assistance provided.

The case would then proceed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, headed by Australia's IOC vice president John Coates, whose role is largely administrative. Coates does not sit on cases as an arbitrator and has no role in their selection for cases.

Notwithstanding, Coates has been careful not to comment on the supplements saga in the two Australian football codes but is a long-term campaigner against drugs in sport.

McDevitt will fly from Montreal to Paris for a meeting of national anti-doping bosses. His two-week absence from Australia is expected to correspond with the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel (ADRVP) meeting and the convening of the AFL tribunal.
 

Card Shark

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Essendon's "stuff you" policy may stuff them in the end .

I reckon they will end up with an 18 month to 24 month ban, with a 12 month backdate (if they are lucky ), meaning a significant amount of a season, they won't have a team.
 

Perth Red

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Essendon's "stuff you" policy may stuff them in the end .

I reckon they will end up with an 18 month to 24 month ban, with a 12 month backdate (if they are lucky ), meaning a significant amount of a season, they won't have a team.

They will likely get a 12month reduction for no fault and then depends on how helpful the players have been. They'll likely put the 6 month offer back on the table.
 

El Diablo

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but apparently their merkins http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...gallens-asada-legal-fees-20141030-11e6qx.html

NRL paid $80,000 of Paul Gallen's ASADA legal fees

Date
October 30, 2014 - 11:00PM

Chris Barrett
Sports Writer

Paul Gallen was given nearly $80,000 by the NRL to cover his legal fees while under investigation by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, receiving significantly more assistance from League Central than any other past or present Cronulla player.

In a revelation that undermines his claims of a lack of support from the NRL, and his subsequent protest at a proposed $50,000 fine and suspension from Test football, it has emerged the Cronulla and NSW State of Origin captain was the recipient of special treatment from Dave Smith's administration after his defection from the lawyers appointed by the Rugby League Players Association to represent Sharks players.

Fairfax Media has learnt that the NRL committed to pay more than $350,000 to the 17 past and present Cronulla players who received show-cause notices by ASADA in August over alleged doping violations, with the money handed to the RLPA and then distributed to the players.

Gallen received almost $80,000 of that figure - or 23 per cent of the total legal relief fund. Gallen declined to comment when contacted by Fairfax Media on Thursday.

The existence of that payment serves to explain the anger of Smith and others at League Central after the exposure of a tweet last week in which he used the word "c---" in reference to personnel at the NRL while on holiday in Hawaii.

It also places in further context the punishment dished out to Gallen as a result. The 33-year-old said publicly he would fight the sanctions handed out to him in the wake of the social media rant where he bemoaned the sacking of Cronulla chief executive Steve Noyce.

Their severity prompted judiciary chairman Paul Conlon to resign on Wednesday, slamming the NRL for not taking into account Gallen's reported depression when they devised his punishment.

Gallen has until Monday to respond to a breach notice issued by the NRL, whose officials are said to be furious at his conduct given his leadership position in the game and the fact he received more support to cover legal fees than any other Sharks player due to his circumstances.

Gallen last year split from the lawyers who had been appointed by the RLPA to represent the majority of Cronulla players under investigation - former ASADA counsel Richard Redman of the firm Lander & Rogers, and barrister Andrew Coleman SC.

His engagement of top commercial litigation lawyer Steven Glass and leading barrister Greg James QC brought about legal costs significantly greater than those being charged by the RLPA's assigned representatives.

Glass, a partner at Gilbert + Tobin who most prominently acted for former Guantanamo Bay prisoner David Hicks, was in Gallen's corner as a dozen current and former Sharks (including him) in August accepted offers of backdated bans that sideline them until November 23.

It is understood players' legal representatives would invoice the RLPA and the bill would then be passed on to the NRL, who paid Gallen's fees despite them being much higher than those of other players.

And while Gallen and others had their legal expenses covered, five of the 17 players to receive show-cause notices - Paul Aiton, John Williams, Colin Best, Ben Pomeroy and Stuart Flanagan - were less fortunate.

The NRL, via the RLPA, stopped the ASADA-related legal funding on August 25, just days after many accepted ASADA "deals", leaving those players whose cases were not resolved to fend for themselves.

The retired Best and the France-based Pomeroy are contesting allegations concerning the Sharks' supplements program of 2011, while Leeds Rhinos import Aiton, Sydney Roosters under-20s assistant coach Williams and Flanagan, who played last season with Group 6 team Appin Dogs, never received offers from ASADA.

They have responded to show-cause notices but have not heard back from the doping watchdog.

An RLPA spokeswoman refused to comment on the legal support given to players throughout the saga, as did the NRL.

"There will be no comment on the Gallen case until he has had a chance to respond to the breach notice," an NRL spokesman said.
 

Perth Red

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Wow, affiliated States can't get any money to grow the game and the NRL are giving self confessed drug cheats $350k, way to go Dave!
 

El Diablo

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Wow, affiliated States can't get any money to grow the game and the NRL are giving self confessed drug cheats $350k, way to go Dave!

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