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Origins a drag on the Comp

titoelcolombiano

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2017 is criminally overlooked for heroic Queensland victories. It was supposed to be the end of the dynasty, but instead a raft of great Queensland stories got to play out in all their glory.

Queensland were comprehensively thrashed in game 1 at Lang Park. So Kevin Walters swung the axe on Myles, Lillyman, and Thaiday. Big calls on some serious warhorses.

At that point, the NSW media declared the dynasty was over. It was supposed to be an ignominious end, but instead they passed the torch while going out on top.

Thurston’s Game II performance is legendary — and was his last Origin ever. Played with a busted shoulder, barely able to lift his arm to make a tackle and still kicked the matchwinner from the sideline. Dragged them to victory.

We’re never going to be beaten back on home turf. Turned into a domination. Proved everything about Queensland is built on culture, in addition to sheer talent. Munster got a nice coming out party to boot.

Amazing series win, right up there.
Yeah good call.

You got me thinking about the NSW media too. They are way too quick to crow... be it calling the end of QLDs dynasty early, calling the start of a NSW dynasty after winning one series...

Even their individual players. Cleary was the greatest player ever at age 25 apparently and yet is still searching for his Origin moment. Whilst he's searching for it Dearden steps up in his first series as a starting Origin halfback and dominates.

NSW love to talk (mainly the media to be fair), QLD just get out there and play.
 
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titoelcolombiano

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Very naive POV here bud.

It's 17 elite players v 17 elite players who all play in the NRL at clubs with roughly the same level of coaching etc. Player numbers are largely irrelevant
All else being equal, playing depth especially in key positions matters.

NSW: Cleary, Moses, Hynes, Reynolds
QLD: Dearden, DCE

NSW: Edwards, Tedesco, Turbo, Latrell
QLD: Ponga, Walsh, Hammer

NSW: Robson, Corasau, Cook
QLD: Grant, Hunt


A few injuries and QLDs cupboard of Origin experienced key position players is bare, NSW can just call up the next bloke. To dispute that is just denial. Injuries are a part of the game which is why it isn't just the straight 17 best from each state.

Also, you are going to produce more 'stars' than we do too as you have a deeper pool to pick from. To deny that is also denying reality.
 
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All else being equal, playing depth especially in key positions matters.

NSW: Cleary, Moses, Hynes, Reynolds
QLD: Dearden, DCE

NSW: Edwards, Tedesco, Turbo, Latrell
QLD: Ponga, Walsh, Hammer

NSW: Robson, Corasau, Cook
QLD: Grant, Hunt


A few injuries and QLDs cupboard of Origin experienced key position players is bare, NSW can just call up the next bloke. To dispute that is just denial. Injuries are a part of the game which is why it isn't just the straight 17 best from each state.

Also, you are going to produce more 'stars' than we do too as you have a deeper pool to pick from. To deny that is also denying reality.

I mean, that's pretty heavy cherry picking.

If you're going to call hacks or unfit wrecks like Hynes, Cook, Turbo, Fatrell et al Origin depth you should also include equal level hacks like Bongwater, Fogarty, Coggo etc for QLD
 

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I mean, that's pretty heavy cherry picking.

If you're going to call hacks or unfit wrecks like Hynes, Cook, Turbo, Fatrell et al Origin depth you should also include equal level hacks like Bongwater, Fogarty, Coggo etc for QLD
Not making a strong point there, Latrell is considered a NSW star, Hynes has literally played Origin and doesn't have any fitness problems currently, and Drinkwater is a roach.

Anyway thanks for keeping this Origin thread going, loving having the chat on the main board celebrating the concept. Not sure it has swayed anyone your way though.
 

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Not making a strong point there, Latrell is considered a NSW star, Hynes has literally played Origin and doesn't have any fitness problems currently, and Drinkwater is a roach.

Anyway thanks for keeping this Origin thread going, loving having the chat on the main board celebrating the concept. Not sure it has swayed anyone your way though.

Huh. Maybe Bongwater was wishful thinking on my part tbh because then Loz could never pick him.

Fatrell is not a star at fullback, Hynes is as spineless as an actual roach, so the point stands otherwise.
 
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All else being equal, playing depth especially in key positions matters.

NSW: Cleary, Moses, Hynes, Reynolds
QLD: Dearden, DCE

NSW: Edwards, Tedesco, Turbo, Latrell
QLD: Ponga, Walsh, Hammer

NSW: Robson, Corasau, Cook
QLD: Grant, Hunt


A few injuries and QLDs cupboard of Origin experienced key position players is bare, NSW can just call up the next bloke. To dispute that is just denial. Injuries are a part of the game which is why it isn't just the straight 17 best from each state.

Also, you are going to produce more 'stars' than we do too as you have a deeper pool to pick from. To deny that is also denying reality.
lol Youve left out guys like Walker and Fogerty who can easily step up

Having a deeper playing pool doesnt mean more stars, it simply doesnt work that way. Have a look at Qlds dominant period and tell me with a straight face that it does

Im not the one denying reality
 
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The definitive solution to the NRL’s Origin scheduling headache
By Troy Dodds - July 15, 2025, 14:57

Rugby league’s State of Origin series is over, Queensland have pulled New South Wales’ pants down again and normality returns to the NRL schedule.

But while Origin may be behind us, debate over how it should be scheduled and its impact on the regular club competition will certainly not go away.

But I have the solution. And I’ll be emailing a copy of this column across to Peter V’landys and Andrew Abdo with an

To that in a moment though.

Part of the issue I’ve always had with finding a solution to the Origin conundrum is that I’ve never been totally convinced there’s something to find a solution for.

While clubs do suffer during this period and lose some of their stars for big games, the best team invariably wins the Premiership at the end of the year.

But I’ll accept the standard of club football over the Origin period certainly dips, and our attention becomes too divided.

So, the solution – the schedule the NRL should adopt from 2027 when we have an even number of teams again (only to blow it all up of course when Papua New Guinea enter the comp, though I suspect this will be delayed a number of seasons).

Bear with me on the ride.

Right now we have 27 rounds, with all clubs receiving three byes.

Under my plan, to be further known as Dodds Ball, we move to a 24 round competition with no byes.

All 18 teams play each other once, taking in 17 games, with the remaining seven games in a team’s schedule reserved for marquee match-ups like club rivalries and the like.

We halt the competition for three weeks in July, allowing State of Origin to be played over three consecutive Tuesday nights.

No Origin player is forced to miss a club game because the NRL is not playing in the weekends before Origin I, II or III.

The only back-up comes with players coming out of Origin III and returning to their clubs the following weekend, but moving Origin to Tuesday means the back-up is less intensive.

Broadcasters still get their mid-week sugar hit of Origin football, with the ratings and crowds unlikely to significantly differ from a shift out of Wednesday nights.

This plan gives players not taking part in Origin the chance for a full refresh in the middle of the season, and time to address any niggling injury concerns.

It also gives each Origin game clear air in terms of media presence and build up.

But what, I hear you say, about those three weekends with no football?

Surely it’s a free kick to the AFL? Surely the broadcasters won’t cop it?

Here’s where the next element of the plan comes in.

We launch the NRLW competition on the first weekend of July, giving it stand-alone status across marquee timeslots on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

And we continue that for three consecutive weekends, giving the women’s game a huge push and dedicated rugby league eyeballs across the weekend.

On the third weekend we could even move forward the NRLW Magic Round, to add more excitement around the competition.

The NRLW has increased enormously in popularity in recent years but the launch of the competition is mixed in with the NRL regular season plus Origin.

This would give the NRLW centre stage for three consecutive weekends, the biggest possible push we could give the game.

At a stretch, we could also schedule a mid-season Pacific test in that middle weekend, but I’ll leave that for Pete and Andy to sort out.

Keep in mind the broadcasters here are still getting the same number of games they were before (in fact, one extra game a weekend given the arrival of Perth).

The removal of the byes means the number of games delivered is not impacted.

Now the Dodds Ball plan isn’t finished yet.

We take advantage of this three week period to also create a dedicated trade window.

Sort out all those player swaps that happen at random times, ensuring they can only happen during this three weeks.

Top-line Origin players are rarely involved in such swaps so the representative period won’t be impacted by that, and clubs and players alike will have time to sort out all the bits and pieces that go with transfers.

It will stop the months of speculation we often deal with around player transfers and the wayward timing of some departures.

And there you have it.

Dodds Ball.

The season still starts the same way, and ends on the same weekend.

Fans are not robbed of seeing their favourite players turn out for their teams, the competition is not fractured by odd weekends and a flurry of byes.

There’s a bit of structure around who you play twice, and both Origin and the NRLW win out of the situation in having more focus with the main club competition put on ice.

Right, I’m off to solve the war in the Middle East. See you next week.


Troy Dodds
 
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The definitive solution to the NRL’s Origin scheduling headache
By Troy Dodds - July 15, 2025, 14:57

Rugby league’s State of Origin series is over, Queensland have pulled New South Wales’ pants down again and normality returns to the NRL schedule.

But while Origin may be behind us, debate over how it should be scheduled and its impact on the regular club competition will certainly not go away.

But I have the solution. And I’ll be emailing a copy of this column across to Peter V’landys and Andrew Abdo with an

To that in a moment though.

Part of the issue I’ve always had with finding a solution to the Origin conundrum is that I’ve never been totally convinced there’s something to find a solution for.

While clubs do suffer during this period and lose some of their stars for big games, the best team invariably wins the Premiership at the end of the year.

But I’ll accept the standard of club football over the Origin period certainly dips, and our attention becomes too divided.

So, the solution – the schedule the NRL should adopt from 2027 when we have an even number of teams again (only to blow it all up of course when Papua New Guinea enter the comp, though I suspect this will be delayed a number of seasons).

Bear with me on the ride.

Right now we have 27 rounds, with all clubs receiving three byes.

Under my plan, to be further known as Dodds Ball, we move to a 24 round competition with no byes.

All 18 teams play each other once, taking in 17 games, with the remaining seven games in a team’s schedule reserved for marquee match-ups like club rivalries and the like.

We halt the competition for three weeks in July, allowing State of Origin to be played over three consecutive Tuesday nights.

No Origin player is forced to miss a club game because the NRL is not playing in the weekends before Origin I, II or III.

The only back-up comes with players coming out of Origin III and returning to their clubs the following weekend, but moving Origin to Tuesday means the back-up is less intensive.

Broadcasters still get their mid-week sugar hit of Origin football, with the ratings and crowds unlikely to significantly differ from a shift out of Wednesday nights.

This plan gives players not taking part in Origin the chance for a full refresh in the middle of the season, and time to address any niggling injury concerns.

It also gives each Origin game clear air in terms of media presence and build up.

But what, I hear you say, about those three weekends with no football?

Surely it’s a free kick to the AFL? Surely the broadcasters won’t cop it?

Here’s where the next element of the plan comes in.

We launch the NRLW competition on the first weekend of July, giving it stand-alone status across marquee timeslots on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

And we continue that for three consecutive weekends, giving the women’s game a huge push and dedicated rugby league eyeballs across the weekend.

On the third weekend we could even move forward the NRLW Magic Round, to add more excitement around the competition.

The NRLW has increased enormously in popularity in recent years but the launch of the competition is mixed in with the NRL regular season plus Origin.

This would give the NRLW centre stage for three consecutive weekends, the biggest possible push we could give the game.

At a stretch, we could also schedule a mid-season Pacific test in that middle weekend, but I’ll leave that for Pete and Andy to sort out.

Keep in mind the broadcasters here are still getting the same number of games they were before (in fact, one extra game a weekend given the arrival of Perth).

The removal of the byes means the number of games delivered is not impacted.

Now the Dodds Ball plan isn’t finished yet.

We take advantage of this three week period to also create a dedicated trade window.

Sort out all those player swaps that happen at random times, ensuring they can only happen during this three weeks.

Top-line Origin players are rarely involved in such swaps so the representative period won’t be impacted by that, and clubs and players alike will have time to sort out all the bits and pieces that go with transfers.

It will stop the months of speculation we often deal with around player transfers and the wayward timing of some departures.

And there you have it.

Dodds Ball.

The season still starts the same way, and ends on the same weekend.

Fans are not robbed of seeing their favourite players turn out for their teams, the competition is not fractured by odd weekends and a flurry of byes.

There’s a bit of structure around who you play twice, and both Origin and the NRLW win out of the situation in having more focus with the main club competition put on ice.

Right, I’m off to solve the war in the Middle East. See you next week.


Troy Dodds
I like the plan, but I would suggest there are 25 rounds; one game against each club and then the top 9 from the previous year play each other again, and the bottom 9. This is (similar) to what the NFL does to try to help the struggling clubs improve over time.
 

titoelcolombiano

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lol Youve left out guys like Walker and Fogerty who can easily step up

Having a deeper playing pool doesnt mean more stars, it simply doesnt work that way. Have a look at Qlds dominant period and tell me with a straight face that it does

Im not the one denying reality
I said players with origin experience. But if you want to play that game, for every Fogerty and Walker there's a Katoa, Metcalf, Fainu and Galvin and that's not even mentioning Luai who could play 7 for the Blues if needed.

So, I'll be generous, let's say QLD has had a better side on paper for 15 of the years Origin has been played (very generous), you think that NSW having a better side the other 30 years disproves the point? A deeper playing pool at the elite level we are talking about is going to produce more high quality players.

I really can't see how you can continue to deny this. Four maroons would have made the Blues team this year and one of those four would have been on the bench.
 

titoelcolombiano

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I mean, that's pretty heavy cherry picking.

If you're going to call hacks or unfit wrecks like Hynes, Cook, Turbo, Fatrell et al Origin depth you should also include equal level hacks like Bongwater, Fogarty, Coggo etc for QLD
Read the post again, I listed players with origin experience to call on
 

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