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My message to Shane Warne? Just shut up and eat the grubs - and leave Steve Waugh alone
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February 10, 2016 - 3:18PM
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Peter FitzSimons

Shane Warne has a candid conversation in the jungle about his dislike for former Australian cricket captain
Steve Waugh refuses to bite after Shane Warne slur
No, I won't do it, and you can't make me.

I won't rip into Shane Warne for his ludicrous remarks on Steve Waugh,. It would be unfair! It would be too easy! It would be like throwing a stick of dynamite into a goldfish bowl, and calling the result "fishing!"

It would ...

Be fun, and only fair, as Waugh is too dignified to reply himself?

Oh alright. You've convinced me, as dignity has never been my strong suit anyway.

So, take it away, Shane. Tell the folks what you said again, while I get the big bungers and some matches?

"He's the most selfish cricketer I've played with ..."

Bloody hell! Really? You must have played with, like, a thousand cricketers over the years, and Steve Waugh really stands out that much?

Amazing, no, that he is a byword for "selfish" in your world, and yet no other cricketer or commentator of note has ever bandied that word around about Waugh, and instead he is regarded as the most revered leader of cricketing men of his generation?

Also weird that none of those "tell-all" books by your teammates that live off controversy for their sales have ever come up with anything along the "he's selfish" lines? (And for once I know something of it, having read many of them, and having penned a book on Waugh myself.)

But go on, what is your evidence for the charge? I'm guessing he never did any of the hard yards in building victories, always put himself on to bowl when the bunnies were up offering easy wickets at the end, that kind of thing?

Tell us all ...

"The one Test I got dropped, in the West Indies in 1999, we had to win the last Test match. At that stage, captain, vice-captain, coach used to pick the team. We went to selection. I hadn't bowled well [and] we had lost – Brian Lara batted unreal – but I felt like I was being the scapegoat, that because I didn't bowl well it was my fault.

"We got to the selection table and said 'What's everyone's thoughts?'. Steve Waugh said (to me) 'You're not playing'. I went 'What? Hang on. What do you think the team should be? Blah blah blah', and Steve Waugh said 'Nup, I'm the captain of this side ... you're not playing."

He what? He . . . WHAT?

He didn't pick you, Shane, and that makes him selfish?

But you get, Shane, surely, that the essence of selfishness is putting yourself ahead of everyone else? How is Waugh declining to pick you selfish of him? At that point, Stuey McGill was twelve wickets to the good in that series, while you had just two. You were in a rare burst of bad form, and were stinking up the joint, and Australia had lost two Tests.

So they picked Colin Miller instead of you, who bowled like a bloody bewdy, took crucial wickets, and so Australia won the Test and levelled the series.

Most commentators took it as inspired Waugh captaincy, putting the team first, no matter the celebrity of certain players, like, say, you. But you say you were made the "scapegoat?"

You mean like, say, many to this day reckon Joe the Cameraman was made the scapegoat for your sledge, and you made your own mum the scapegoat for you failing that drug test? That kind of scapegoat? (BOOM!)

(I know, I know, but I couldn't resist. What's a man to do with a stick of dynamite, and an open gold-fish bowl?)

But perhaps you just didn't like the manner he did it in, face to face like?

Maybe a text message would have been better? (BOOM!)

"I thought the situation, of having to win a Test match, would've brought the best out in me too."

But, remember I told you, they did win the Test match. (BOOM!)

Did maybe, Waugh's selfishness show up as a fatal flaw in his captaincy, the one you coveted, but never got. But hang on, his winning percentage as captain is the best of any Australian Test captain, ever! (BOOM!)

Or maybe, he was one of those blokes who went so far outside the rules in pursuit of his own advancement, he was suspended from the game for a year, selfishly bringing his whole team into disrepute. But hang on, that wasn't Steve Waugh who did that . . . it was another. (BOOM!)

"I don't like Steve Waugh for a lot of other reasons [too]…"

Ah. Perhaps you mean his selfishness in other fields, away from the cricket pitch, then Shane? Maybe be was always just putting himself ahead of, say, his ... family?

Dunno, Shane, but prima facie not a lot of evidence for that. Some cricketers, as you must have heard, selfishly turn their backs on their familial responsibilities the instant they are out of sight of them, making trouble for many apart from themselves, but Waugh has prospered with the one partner for well over three decades, and lived under the same roof as her and their kids since the day dot, so that can't be it.

So maybe you mean other stuff, then?

You must mean like he's one of those other selfish bastards who is huge on show for doing his bit and more for charity, often bearing his name, but when you get right down to it, the whole thing is an embarrassment and has to be shut down, because so little of the money being contributed actually gets to the underprivileged it is intended for and ...

And what?

You don't mean that and don't want to talk about it, and I'll hear from your lawyers? Ok, but let the record show that with precious little fanfare, and NO controversy, the Steve Waugh Foundation has quietly gone about its business, and so far supported 1,454 poor souls with rare diseases, and ...

And enough already.

I am sorry, Shane, we've voted you off the island. You are the weakest link, and your charge smells amazingly like dead fish. You are so lost in your own celebrity. Get us out of here.

And in the meantime, get over it. You were dropped. No big deal. I want to leave you with the words of one of the Twitterati who yesterday quoted Billy Birmingham channeling the late, great Tony Greig, "to me a grudge is nothing more than a place to pork your coar ..."

Park yours, please, Shane. Just shut up and eat the grubs, on "I'm A Celebrity ..." don't be one.

Twitter: @Peter_Fitz



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IFR33K

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I'm in the warney camp.

Miserable, overrated average inflater.

Batted to protect his stats not to score quickly. Had the suckholes eating out of his palm so that they called it "batting with the tail".

Give me Mark Waugh any day.

Encouraged the lower Enders to bat, rather than wag. He did this by showing faith and confidence in the tail. And he did it remarkably well. I doubt it very much, it was to protect his stats.

Mark Waugh was by far more elegant. Steve Waugh was a fighter. Give me the later any day.
 

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The sad thing is, Warne could go down in the annals of Aussie cricket as an absolute legend, like Richie Benaud, if he just kept his mouth shut.
He's more likely to be remembered as a c**k like Bill O'Reilly, who was also a bitter man.

Suity
 

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He did get arseholed thou. He wanted his final series to be in India. And the selectors punted him for that tour.

You telling me he was 'forced' into retirement? Heard something similar happened to Allan Border, but never heard anything about it in the news at the time with Waugh
 

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Selectors wanted an offie/leggie combo and one leggie had to go and he was rightly dropped

Funky Miller did OK too

Funky Miller > Nathan Lyon. 69 wickets @ 26.15, 2000 Australian test player of the year, had to wait until 34 to wear the baggy green and made the most of the limited opportunities he had at the back end of his cricket career.

Lyon lacks variation; something that Miller had. Was a very versatile cricketer, could bat both right and left handed, and could also bowl both fast medium in addition to his off-spin (one of the last off-spin bowlers to bowl a decent arm ball).

Slater running in like an acrobat from the Moscow circus and dropping Tendulkar off Miller's bowling in the deciding 3rd test of the 2001 tour of India was crucial in the context of India's innings and Miller was ousted from the subsequent Ashes squad.
 

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Ummmm, pretty sure I've read numerous quotes of past players where they have praised Steve Waugh for mentoring them and getting the best out of them, helping them turn into great test players.


SW record in getting the best out of players is just as impressive as his batting average. He deserved to go out on his terms, being India.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, if he wasn't performing then he needed to go. Just like everyone else.

Bringing the best out in others? Sounds like a tenuous reason to hang on to a non performer. Besides, most people aren't going to publicly shit bag the blokes leadership. You only have to look at how all of the rabid sycophants have bagged out Warney in the last couple of days.
 

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Regarding this whole topic of form slumps that was brought up, here's some stats:

Mark Taylor:24 consecutive test innings without a century during November 1995-June 1997, of which the last 21 innings of that streak without a fifty until that century at Edgbaston. For an opening batsman, that is absolutely pathetic and you would be ousted from the side today with a run that bad. However, his captaincy and the fact Australia were a winning side back then kept him in. Interestingly someone brought up the point of Bevan batting at 7. For that 1997 tour of South Africa, we only played 3 frontline bowlers: Warne/Gillespie/McGrath. Last time that's happened was 1998 SCG test vs South Africa (Reiffel/Warne/McGrath), which was also Bevan's last test. Given how the quality of batting has demised since then, I could NEVER imagine the current Australian team playing only 3 frontline bowlers today. Taylor's ODI slump was even worse - his last 12 ODI innings spanning across three series (tri-series at home, bilateral series vs South Africa and also England) were without a fifty (highest score 29), and his and Healy's dumping from the ODI side at the start of the 1997/98 season - in place of S Waugh (new ODI captain) and Gilchrist (wktkeeper) - led to the beginning of the 'split teams' controversy. I was never a fan of Taylor in the ODI side as even back in those days, I thought his strike rate was too slow. No surprise he has the 9th worst ODI strike rate of all 2000+ run batsmen with 59.49 (Geoff Marsh has the worst of the Australians, with 55.93) When the top 3 ODI batting combination became M Waugh/Gilchrist/Ponting - three attacking players with dynamic strokeplay and the ability to increase the run-rate - it was a breath of fresh air and a joy to watch.

Matthew Hayden: 30 consecutive test innings without a century during mid 2004-September 2005. McGrath's availability for the deciding Ashes test at The Oval saved Haydos as the Aussie selectors had made it clear that they were going to play 5 frontline bowlers if McGrath was out injured, hence Haydos would've been the batsman cut. Haydos was also a shadow of the batsman he was after his achillies injury - after his comeback from injury, his final 17 test innings were without a century with only 2 fifties.

Mike Hussey: 28 consecutive test innings without a century during October 2008-August 2009.

Ricky Ponting: 33 consecutive test innings without a century during January 2010-January 2012. The lack of depth in the Australian domestic playing stocks by this stage - with the retirements of Warne/Langer/Martyn/McGrath/Gilchrist/Hayden all within the space of the 3 Australian summers - saved him.
 
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Gary Gutful

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Absolutely brilliant riposte.
It is no surprise Warne is Victorian.

Suity

Yeah, what a f**ken zinger of an article from a bandana wearing f**wit, who wouldn't know his arse from a Kookaburra.

...and while we are a tugging off to YouTube videos of Tugger, let's make stupid generalisations about people from a whole state.
 

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Yeah, what a f**ken zinger of an article from a bandana wearing f**wit, who wouldn't know his arse from a Kookaburra.

...and while we are a tugging off to YouTube videos of Tugger, let's make stupid generalisations about people from a whole state.

lol.
 

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Regarding this whole topic of form slumps that was brought up, here's some stats:

Mark Taylor:24 consecutive test innings without a century during November 1995-June 1997, of which the last 21 innings of that streak without a fifty until that century at Edgbaston. For an opening batsman, that is absolutely pathetic and you would be ousted from the side today with a run that bad. However, his captaincy and the fact Australia were a winning side back then kept him in. Interestingly someone brought up the point of Bevan batting at 7. For that 1997 tour of South Africa, we only played 3 frontline bowlers: Warne/Gillespie/McGrath. Last time that's happened was 1998 SCG test vs South Africa (Reiffel/Warne/McGrath), which was also Bevan's last test. Given how the quality of batting has demised since then, I could NEVER imagine the current Australian team playing only 3 frontline bowlers today. Taylor's ODI slump was even worse - his last 12 ODI innings spanning across three series (tri-series at home, bilateral series vs South Africa and also England) were without a fifty (highest score 29), and his and Healy's dumping from the ODI side at the start of the 1997/98 season - in place of S Waugh (new ODI captain) and Gilchrist (wktkeeper) - led to the beginning of the 'split teams' controversy. I was never a fan of Taylor in the ODI side as even back in those days, I thought his strike rate was too slow. No surprise he has the 9th worst ODI strike rate of all 2000+ run batsmen with 59.49 (Geoff Marsh has the worst of the Australians, with 55.93) When the top 3 ODI batting combination became M Waugh/Gilchrist/Ponting - three attacking players with dynamic strokeplay and the ability to increase the run-rate - it was a breath of fresh air and a joy to watch.

Matthew Hayden: 30 consecutive test innings without a century during mid 2004-September 2005. McGrath's availability for the deciding Ashes test at The Oval saved Haydos as the Aussie selectors had made it clear that they were going to play 5 frontline bowlers if McGrath was out injured, hence Haydos would've been the batsman cut. Haydos was also a shadow of the batsman he was after his achillies injury - after his comeback from injury, his final 17 test innings were without a century with only 2 fifties.

Mike Hussey: 28 consecutive test innings without a century during October 2008-August 2009.

Ricky Ponting: 33 consecutive test innings without a century during January 2010-January 2012. The lack of depth in the Australian domestic playing stocks by this stage - with the retirements of Warne/Langer/Martyn/McGrath/Gilchrist/Hayden all within the space of the 3 Australian summers - saved him.
But but but Steve Waugh played too long and should of been arseholed lol.
 

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Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, if he wasn't performing then he needed to go. Just like everyone else.

Bringing the best out in others? Sounds like a tenuous reason to hang on to a non performer. Besides, most people aren't going to publicly shit bag the blokes leadership. You only have to look at how all of the rabid sycophants have bagged out Warney in the last couple of days.

When wasn't he performing? For a series here and there? You talk about blooding new players, Steve Waugh was the ideal captain for them to be blooded under. He brought back a real passion for the baggy green, and brought out mental toughness in many players that played under his leadership.
 

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You telling me he was 'forced' into retirement? Heard something similar happened to Allan Border, but never heard anything about it in the news at the time with Waugh

He sure was. Selectors at the time, told him he won't be touring India, despite Waugh making no secret of India being his final frontier.
 

Gary Gutful

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When wasn't he performing? For a series here and there? You talk about blooding new players

Maybe he kept eking out the odd century, but in the back end of his career he had streak of test series's with averages of: 27, 19, 38, 15.

If he wasn't the captain, and the side was picked on form, he would have been long gone.

Steve Waugh was the ideal captain for them to be blooded under. He brought back a real passion for the baggy green, and brought out mental toughness in many players that played under his leadership.

Perhaps mate, though I think there were plenty of other good leaders who could have fulfilled this role.
 

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Apples and watermelons. My mum could have captained that team at its peak.

Ponting, Langer, Gilchrist and Hayden carving up and scoring runs and Warne and McGrath taking wickets. Just stand out of the way and let it happen.
 
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