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  1. Bandwagon

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    Sorry mate, but even though it's only a coupla days old, this has already dated.

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  2. I'm a loser baby...

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    Moot, lol. You almost had me there.
     
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    Muut.
     
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    Was always going to happen. After all, wasn't the PA SC involved in the original decision to allow it? What were they gonna do - allow the judge's verdict to stand and call themselves unconstitutional?

    The point is what the judge stated - in PA, Trump will most likely win the argument. His team just need to get it to SCOTUS, now. If they can do that, they need another 17 EC votes.
     
  5. Gronk

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    He keeps repeating that he won it “and then they dumped all these votes (postal votes)”. The same logic as they only have high covid numbers because they test so much.

     
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    Thanks for sharing.
     
  8. Bandwagon

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    I don't believe this is a continuation from the previous suit, I believe the one you're referring to was regards late arriving ballots being "quarantined" in the counting process, allowing that particular issue to be revisited.

    This suit was about challenging the law that allowed for universal mail in voting, so whilst related, it's not the same case. The decision based upon laches wasn't unanimous, but importantly what was unanimous was that the relief being sought,( the throwing away of millions of votes ) was completely unjustifiable, and unsupported by this case, and others the Trump campaign have lodged or supported.

    Even in the unlikely event that they can have the SCOTUS rehear this case, and it is very unlikely, there is a false assumption that a conservative court will bend to the will of the GOP in any case. The court is now dominated by constitutionalists, and the relief being sought will require far more than proving that the 180 day limitation the legislation places on it's contest ( which is seemingly the only avenue pursuable from here ) is unconstitutional. It's nowhere near enough for the court to simply cancel millions of votes. They will need to prove fraud or the like on a scale that is commensurate with such relief, and as it stands, they are yet to even attempt to prosecute any instance of fraud in PA, in any action they have presented to any court.

    So even if in the unlikely event it gets heard, and they win, it will not effect this election, but may in fact effect ones to follow.

    I don't know what "argument" you think Trump might win here that will be of any consequence to this election, perhaps you might like to expand?
     
  9. Gary Gutful

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    The argument that they are all corrupt FFS!
     
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    ^^^

    Scott Morrison demands apology from China over 'repugnant' fake tweet showing Australian soldier murdering child

    By foreign affairs reporter Stephen Dziedzic and political reporter Jane Norman

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    Scott Morrison says the tweet from a Chinese Government spokesman was "repugnant"

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison is demanding the Chinese Government delete a "repugnant" tweet attacking the Australian Defence Force in the wake of a landmark war crimes inquiry.

    WARNING: This story contains graphic content that some readers may find upsetting.

    Key points:
    • China's Foreign Ministry spokesman tweeted a fake image showing an Australian soldier murdering a child
    • Scott Morrison is demanding a formal apology from the Chinese Government over the image
    • Last week China said it "strongly condemned" the actions of Australian soldiers who allegedly committed war crimes
    The Chinese Government posted the extraordinary and violent image of an Australian soldier murdering an Afghan child, as relations between the two nations continue to spiral downwards.

    China and Russia have both attacked Australia following the release of the Brereton report which found Australian special forces committed at least 39 unlawful killings during the war in Afghanistan.

    Mr Morrison said the Government had reached out to the Chinese Government and contacted Twitter to have the post removed.

    "Australia's seeking an apology from the Chinese Government for this outrageous post," he said.

    "We're also seeking its removal immediately.

    The reckoning for alleged crimes is about to begin
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    The soldiers of the SAS have been held up as heroes, yet a small number of them are being accused of the most heinous of crimes, including the murder of innocents, writes Mark Willacy.

    Last week China's Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said China "strongly condemned" the soldiers' actions, and said the report "fully exposed the hypocrisy of the human rights and freedom these Western countries are always chanting".

    But today Mr Zhao dramatically intensified his attack on Australia, saying on Twitter he was "shocked by murder of Afghan civilians & prisoners by Australian soldiers."

    He accompanied the tweet with an illustration which appeared to show a grinning Australian soldier holding a bloody knife to the throat of a child who is holding a lamb.

    The child's face is covered with a blue cloth. The text beneath the photo reads: "Don't be afraid, we are coming to bring you peace!"

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    The image was tweeted by Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Zhao Lijian.(Supplied: Chinese Ministry Of Foreign Affairs)
    It has since emerged that the image was created by an artist who often makes politically-charged statements and posted the picture on Chinese social media platform, Weibo, last week.

    It appears to be a reference to rumours that members of the SAS cut the throats of two 14-year-old Afghan boys who they suspected were Taliban sympathisers.

    But those hearsay accounts were never substantiated during the four-year-long Brereton inquiry.

    The shocking image seems deliberately designed to provoke anger in Australia. One Federal Government source dismissed the photo as "rank propaganda".

    Last week Mr Morrison tried to reframe the debate over the bilateral relationship by praising China's economic record and urging it not to view Australia through the lens of strategic competition with the United States.

    But on Friday the Chinese Government announced sweeping tariffs on Australian wine exports which are likely to cripple parts of the industry.

    The shocking image posted from Zhao Lijian seems to indicate that Beijing's hostility towards Australia has cemented.

    One Federal Government source said the fact the post was given the green light showed that Beijing was intent on displaying contempt towards Australia and would continue ramping up pressure in an attempt to extract concessions.
     
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    This is an extraordinarily difficult position for Australia.
    We should have STFU originally, but didn't.
    China has the power and finances to grind us to a pulp. They are already doing it with the trade sanctions.
    Today's tweet is just them being more intimidatory. This is a verbal and trade war that they are fighting to intimidate us with the intent of controlling our economy when it eventually weakens.
    They are a nasty beast.
    Without some well natured diplomacy of the likes that Rudd or Keating could have engaged in, things could get rather serious.
     
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    We put our eggs in one basket. We can slowly move away from China and look at places like India.
    USA are no better then China. Difference is people can vote the leader put. But they still throw their weight around.
     
  14. Gary Gutful

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    Rudd? The same guy that was recorded saying “Those Chinese f**kers are trying to rat f**k us”. No, I don’t think so.
     
  15. Hollywood Jesus

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    Then why did it get thios response?

    Reading that makes me think that the verdict would be one of unconstitutionality.

    The argument is essentially the same - proper measures were not followed to allow the changing of the rules. Ipso fatso, any votes under the new rules are void.

    And considering the "one person, one vote" ruling that has previously come down from the federal SC, there's no reason they wouldn't consider voiding a bazillion votes if they had to.
     
  16. Bandwagon

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    That's the dissenting opinion around laches, dealing with the potential for the time limitation ( 180 days ) to challenge written within the legislation being unconstitutional.

    So what they're saying there is that there is potentially merit in challenging that part of the legislation. However like I said, whilst they might pursue that avenue in having the legislation struck down, it'll do them no good on this result, because the SCOTUS isn't about to strike down the votes of millions off people who voted in good faith, within the rules of the day, based on that alone.

    I mean possibly they could, but that would ignore a whole heap of precedence, so there's a very wide gap in reality in between what they could and would do. You can't just take a single sentence from the opinion and paint it to colour the entire opinion, all justices agreed that there was no case at all for the relief being sought ( the striking down of millions of votes )

    So they could strike down the law, but they won't give the relief being sought. Trumps team are still left to prove that there was any fraud, let alone on a scale that on balance could justify the striking down of millions of votes.
     
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