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I wonder what causes someone to turn into a nutcase? I assume at some point Guru was just a sceptic but over time he went off the deep end and completely lost the plot. Even the way he presents such obvious bullshit with an unwavering conviction and believes he is educating people. Its quite astonishing really.

Time will not be kind to you.......
 

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Mills: Let's talk a little bit about the psychological factors that motivate people to believe in conspiracy theories. I know you've laid out in your research three areas that you call epistemic, existential and social motives. Can you explain what they are, what those terms mean?

Douglas: Yes, of course. We argue that people are drawn to conspiracy theories in order to satisfy or in an attempt to satisfy three important psychological motives. The first of these motives are epistemic motives. I guess in a nutshell, epistemic motives really just refer to the need for knowledge and certainty and I guess the motive or desire to have information. And when something major happens, when a big event happens, people naturally want to know why that happened. They want an explanation and they want to know the truth. But they also want to feel certain of that truth.

And some psychological evidence suggests that people are drawn to conspiracy theories when they do feel uncertain either in specific situations or more generally. And there are other epistemic reasons why people believe in conspiracy theories as well in relation to this sort of need for knowledge and certainty. So people with lower levels of education tend to be drawn to conspiracy theories. And we don't argue that's because people are not intelligent. It's simply that they haven't been allowed to have, or haven't been given access to the tools to allow them to differentiate between good sources and bad sources or credible sources and non-credible sources. So they're looking for that knowledge and certainty, but not necessarily looking in the right places.

The second set of motives, we would call existential motives. And really they just refer to people's needs to be or to feel safe and secure in the world that they live in. And also to feel that they have some kind of power or autonomy over the things that happen to them as well. So again, when something happens, people don't like to feel powerless. They don't like to feel out of control. And so reaching to conspiracy theories might, I guess, at least allow people to feel that they have information that at least explains why they don't have any control over this situation. Research has shown that people who do feel powerless and disillusioned do tend to gravitate more towards conspiracy theories.

The final set of motives we would call social motives and those refer to people's desire to feel good about themselves as individuals and also feel good about themselves in terms of the groups that they belong to. And I guess at the individual level, people like to feel... Well, they like to have high self-esteem. They like to feel good about themselves. And potentially one way of doing that is to feel that you have access to information that other people don't necessarily have.

And this is quite a common rhetorical tool that people use when they talk about conspiracy theories, that everybody else is some kind of sheep, but that they know the truth. They have the truth. And having that kind of belief, I guess, feeling that you're in possession of information that other people don't have, can give you a feeling of superiority over others. And we have found, and others have shown as well that a need for uniqueness and a need to have, I guess, stand out from others is associated with belief in conspiracy theories.

And this happens at the level of the group as well. So people who have an overinflated sense of the importance of the groups that they belong to, but at the same time, the feeling that those groups are underappreciated, those kinds of feelings as well, draw people towards conspiracy theories, especially conspiracy theories about their groups. So in having those sorts of beliefs, you can maintain the idea that your group is good and moral and upstanding, whereas others are the evil doers out there who are trying to ruin it for everybody else.

Those three main motives... Those three psychological motives, the epistemic, existential and social, it's possible to summarize, I guess, the psychological literature on conspiracy theories into those three motivations. So yeah, that's what we argue.

Mills: What role, if any, does narcissism play in belief in conspiracy theories? People who tend to be more narcissistic also believe in these theories as a means of getting the social capital?

Douglas: Yes, absolutely. That is true. And that's kind of what I was referring to. It's linked to the idea of need for uniqueness, as well. That's another, I guess, narcissistic notion that you have. You're in possession of information that other people don't have. You're different to other people and it makes you stand apart. But yes, narcissism at an individual level has been associated in quite a few studies now with belief in conspiracy theories.

And also this narcissism at the group level as well, so an over inflated sense of the importance of your own group. That kind of insecure feeling about your own group is also associated with belief in conspiracy theories. So yes, narcissism is one of those individual differences, variables that correlate with belief in conspiracy theories.

literally everything said there applies to religion ..... yet we have an entire world based on various religions .... people want to explain things, feel safe, feel there is something explainable going on, be part of a group believing the same, have gotten together to form a group of beliefs in certain things

conspiracy theory has just become another buzzword ..... this shit has been around forever ...... when does something become a conspiracy theory? who decides it is or isn't?

and I haven't watched the video ..... I don't understand the obsession with finding crazy videos on the internet and posting them to poke fun at people who have probably lost the plot - its a bit sad tbh to get your kicks from that if you ask me

i saw on the news tonight a story about a Russian millionaire found dead - one of many apparently - reportedly fell off the balcony ..... they then mentioned he is the latest in a group of russian millionaires who have spoken out against Putin and are now dead ....... this is obviously pushing a theory that these russian millionaires who bad mouthed Putin are being killed right? ..... its clearly being presented as a thing ....... so its a conspiracy theory right? ..... is it true? quite likely - Putin and co could well be doing it - but its just a theory right? ..... is channel 7 news allowed to just push stories which are just theories? its ok if they do it
 
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You're the dickhead who recognised himself in what I'd written and felt compelled to respond. Don't try and backtrack now.
So you claim I call people sheeple and then totally back away from that. You aren't an honest person. I recognised you were talking about me because you're that kind of bitch.
 

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Oh the old it's on YouTube defense. Solid as a grog bog.

It isn't that. Its more there would be also youtube videos saying its real. That's the internet. You can google a typing to support your view really. So how do we work out what is fact or fiction?
I don't know tbh. I reckon climate change is real but probably exagerated. At same time I think the world would be a better place if we all had magic mushrooms and LSD atleast once in our lives.
Many share the same view. Am I correct? I honestly think I am. But most would be anti this idea. Not that I am some big tripper but I have tripped
 

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He’s probably one of the more respected sceptics. He hasn’t been bought out by fossil fuel companies and sticks to his lane by not getting political.

I’m pretty familiar with all of his arguments about the hockey stick, issues with data collection in urban areas that overstate temperatures etc. He raises some good points but like most things if you dig further and seek counter views a lot of what he is discussing can be explained.

I remember having a conversation with HJ about a lot of this stuff a few years back. He wasn’t a fan of the IPCC and thought they were as dodgy as f**k. I understand why some people have that view and respect their right to it.
 

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So you claim I call people sheeple and then totally back away from that. You aren't an honest person. I recognised you were talking about me because you're that kind of bitch.
“Yeah I’m all of those things that you said but I didn’t specifically use the word sheeple.”

Feel free to claim that hollow victory for whatever it’s worth.
 
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I reckon climate change is real but probably exagerated.
And this is exactly what the scientist in the video I posted says. And he appears to have good evidence for it and doesn't have conflicts of interest.
But of course the usual turds here have already made their mind up and are so keen to tell me I'm f**ked in the head. Hey, their life.
 

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literally everything said there applies to religion ..... yet we have an entire world based on various religions .... people want to explain things, feel safe, feel there is something explainable going on, be part of a group believing the same, have gotten together to form a group of beliefs in certain things

conspiracy theory has just become another buzzword ..... this shit has been around forever ...... when does something become a conspiracy theory? who decides it is or isn't?

and I haven't watched the video ..... I don't understand the obsession with finding crazy videos on the internet and posting them to poke fun at people who have probably lost the plot - its a bit sad tbh to get your kicks from that if you ask me

i saw on the news tonight a story about a Russian millionaire found dead - one of many apparently - reportedly fell off the balcony ..... they then mentioned he is the latest in a group of russian millionaires who have spoken out against Putin and are now dead ....... this is obviously pushing a theory that these russian millionaires who bad mouthed Putin are being killed right? ..... its clearly being presented as a thing ....... so its a conspiracy theory right? ..... is it true? quite likely - Putin and co could well be doing it - but its just a theory right? ..... is channel 7 news allowed to just push stories which are just theories? its ok if they do it

I'm reading this book on how religion started. Very interesting. I feel like it's almost fact but most would say I am a nut and so are the people who believe these theories.
I also think we evolved from a mushroom tbh.Out there but we are just an organisms and eventualy the musnroom network also known as Mycelium will consume your rotting body. And you will end up back in the mushroom network.
 
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“Yeah I’m all of those things that you said but I didn’t specifically use the word sheeple.”

Feel free to claim that hollow victory for whatever it’s worth.
Lol, all of those things. You called me someone who criticized msm and called people sheeple. Two things, and you couldn't even get one of them right f**knuckle.
 

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The sponge is the earliest, most primitive multicelled animal, Sogin says. Some scientists believe the ability to grow different cell types started animals on the evolutionary road to becoming humans. With just a few kinds of cells, only loosely connected, the sponge manages to produce a variety of asymmetrical shapes, from cups and fans to tubes and piecrust shapes. Sponges survive handsomely on their own and can even shelter other sea creatures: Scientists found a large sponge in the Gulf of Mexico hosting 16,000 snapping shrimp and 1,000 other aquatic animals. The sponge’s cells, its calcium carbonate or glasslike silica spicules, and the mass of collagen that forms its visible body all create a network of tunnels and chambers, with little flailing hairs called cilia on the walls that wave the water through and filter out plankton and waste. No matter how large the sponge, it can eat only what its individual cells can absorb.

Sponges are also the earliest sexual reproducers; most are hermaphroditic, producing both eggs and sperm, which they release into the water. The sperm drift along until they find their way into the tunnels and caves of another sponge. But the sponge has other reproductive options. If you push one through a sieve, breaking free its individual cells, these cells will drift until they find each other, then stick together and create an exact genetic duplicate of the parent. If wounded, a sponge doesn’t need to grow new tissue; it simply moves old cells into the wound to close it. These techniques have helped sponges survive at least 500 million years. A few have remarkable capabilities. One, living in a Mediterranean underwater cave, traps small crustaceans with the sharp, glassy spikes jutting from its body, then surrounds them with its cells and digests them.

 

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