OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Gronk]

Child slavery? Do you write headlines for the Daily Telegraph?

The laws are very old and were drafted specifically to restrict exploitation of minors and to ensure education for all.

“slavery” is not necessarily ownership of the person per se, it can also be pulling your kid out of school at 12 and making them work and take all of their money.

 

[Gronk]

It's not the 1970s anymore. Unions served a purpose and did a good job. Im sure some still do. Now days people do business a little differently.
Get with the times you dumb merkin

Unions built the workplace bridge you are standing on.

So let's get something straight here. Do you want to thank them for their contribution, keep everything that's in place and move forward, OR dismantle existing workplace laws because "things have changed" ?

 

[hineyrulz]

Child slavery? Do you write headlines for the Daily Telegraph?

No wonder the sly merkin is always trying to get us to click on their links, ffs!!

 

[hindy111]

Unions built the workplace bridge you are standing on.

So let's get something straight here. Do you want to thank them for their contribution, keep everything that's in place and move forward, OR dismantle existing workplace laws because "things have changed" ?

You've taken what I said out of context.
I am just pointing out individuals have to also take responsibility and not always use the blame card. Unless you own your actions you'll never move forward.

The other thing is running a business might seem great if/when it's successful. Many go tits up. Many take huge risks and huge amounts of stress to become a success. I doubt any are easy especially at start.

The bigger the risk the bigger the reward.

 

[Gronk]

You've taken what I said out of context.

No I didn't, cos you were quite direct in what you said.

It's not the 1970s anymore. Unions served a purpose and did a good job. Im sure some still do. Now days people do business a little differently.
Get with the times you dumb merkin

^^^

I am just pointing out individuals have to also take responsibility and not always use the blame card. Unless you own your actions you'll never move forward.

Sure, but in the context of the workplace, you are entitled to job security. You are entitled to basic f**king things like if I do a good days work my job will be there when I wake up in the morning and I will get paid for it and if I get sick, then that's OK.

The other thing is running a business might seem great if/when it's successful. Many go tits up. Many take huge risks and huge amounts of stress to become a success. I doubt any are easy especially at start.

Which is why the Fair Work Act places different expectations on small businesses vs large corporations.

 

[T.S Quint]

You've taken what I said out of context.
I am just pointing out individuals have to also take responsibility and not always use the blame card. Unless you own your actions you'll never move forward.

The other thing is running a business might seem great if/when it's successful. Many go tits up. Many take huge risks and huge amounts of stress to become a success. I doubt any are easy especially at start.

The bigger the risk the bigger the reward.

Yes, and paying your employees a livable wage is part of owning a business. If they can't sfford to do that then they should not be in business. There's no use having a job if the pay you receive isn't enough for you to live on. I have had very low paying jobs before, as an adult, where I couldn't scrape by. Got into debt. I had to move back in with my parents as an adult in order to pay off those debts. It wasn't me mismanaging money, I was just not getting paid enough to live properly.

Sure I could find another job that pays more. But, 1. That's not east to do, change careers and automatically begin earning more, and 2. Who's going to do the job I was leaving now? It's a job that's essential for the country to operate. So they get someone else in who also can't afford to live properly, and so on.

It's not as bad here in Australia than it is in the USA. At least we have some government help for thise struggling. Over there it's such a "I only care about me, f**k everyone else" mentality, and anything to help those in need is seen as 'evil communism'.

 

[Incorrect]

Sure I could find another job that pays more. But, 1. That's not east to do, change careers and automatically begin earning more, and 2. Who's going to do the job I was leaving now? It's a job that's essential for the country to operate. So they get someone else in who also can't afford to live properly, and so on.

Or you could just shack up with some broad with a job that pays shitloads and live on easy street!

 

[hindy111]

No I didn't, cos you were quite direct in what you said.


^^^

Sure, but in the context of the workplace, you are entitled to job security. You are entitled to basic f**king things like if I do a good days work my job will be there when I wake up in the morning and I will get paid for it and if I get sick, then that's OK.

Which is why the Fair Work Act places different expectations on small businesses vs large corporations.

Completelt taken our of context........ Most people get decent conditions now thats the reality. I'll tell to you why. There are heaps of bloody jobs around and it's hard to find workers. If you don't treat staff well they will walk out to another job with better conditions.

I know how apprentices where treated and how they are treated like little babies now. Otherwise they cry

 

[hindy111]

Yes, and paying your employees a livable wage is part of owning a business. If they can't sfford to do that then they should not be in business. There's no use having a job if the pay you receive isn't enough for you to live on. I have had very low paying jobs before, as an adult, where I couldn't scrape by. Got into debt. I had to move back in with my parents as an adult in order to pay off those debts. It wasn't me mismanaging money, I was just not getting paid enough to live properly.

Sure I could find another job that pays more. But, 1. That's not east to do, change careers and automatically begin earning more, and 2. Who's going to do the job I was leaving now? It's a job that's essential for the country to operate. So they get someone else in who also can't afford to live properly, and so on.

It's not as bad here in Australia than it is in the USA. At least we have some government help for thise struggling. Over there it's such a "I only care about me, f**k everyone else" mentality, and anything to help those in need is seen as 'evil communism'.

Companies can increase wages. They then just have to increase cost of whatever they are making. That means consumers like you or me pay more. It just slowly slides down.

Make it to hard for businesses and they'll not stay open.
I work for myself. I know atleast 7 or 8 other sparkles who do. Nome would even think about hiring an apprentice or another tradie. They've made it to hard and workers can be a pain and to high a risk for what youd even nake off them. We all just get in another subby and help each other.
@Suitman have you found similar?

 

[Gronk]

Completelt taken our of context........ Most people get decent conditions now thats the reality. I'll tell to you why. There are heaps of bloody jobs around and it's hard to find workers. If you don't treat staff well they will walk out to another job with better conditions.

Right so you think that Australian workplace conditions are good because of supply and demand ? Bosses provide good working conditions through the kindness of their hearts and to keep their staff happy ?

You are either trying to play devils advocate pou style or you seriously live on another planet.

 

[hindy111]

Right so you think that Australian workplace conditions are good because of supply and demand ? Bosses provide good working conditions through the kindness of their hearts and to keep their staff happy ?

You are either trying to play devils advocate pou style or you seriously live on another planet.

Most people these days give each other respect. Smart managers know you want to keep workers happy for better production. And you don't want to have to waste time and money always training new staff. Unlike the olden days ways of thinking where youd scare workers and push them as hard as they could. Times have changed. Bur you always will get the odd peanut.

 

[Gronk]

Well there you go. What a nice and misunderstood guy ! Na Zdorovie !

 

[strider]

Omfg im soooo surprised you would take offense to it .... blow me down.

Is that the full thing. I will have to have a watch.

 

[Twizzle]

Companies can increase wages. They then just have to increase cost of whatever they are making. That means consumers like you or me pay more. It just slowly slides down.

that's not exactly true, some companies find better, or more efficient ways, of doing things hence make more profit and some share with their employees as thier long time employees are a asset to thier business, some companies even profit share

mind you that's rare nowdays in these times of greed

I used to hate unions when I was on the tools as I beleived that you should be able to stand up for youself and have it out with you boss rather than hide behind unions and I refused to join

I think they are a necessity in big business but they have no doubt increased the cost of construction in Oz, not to mention some are quiet corrupt. They are a necessary evil I guess

 

[Gronk]

Omfg im soooo surprised you would take offense to it .... blow me down.

Is that the full thing. I will have to have a watch.

Nah you've misread my sarcasm. I take no offence, cos this is very much part of the circus that is USA.

However I am curious, no flabbergasted, how some ended up in bed with the enemy.

How the GOP became the party of Putin

I never expected that the Republican Party—which once stood for a muscular, moralistic approach to the world, and which helped bring down the Soviet Union—would become a willing accomplice of what the previous Republican presidential nominee rightly called our No. 1 geopolitical foe: Vladimir Putin’

www.brookings.edu

 

[T.S Quint]

Or you could just shack up with some broad with a job that pays shitloads and live on easy street!

That’s pretty much what I did.

 

[JokerEel]

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/holy-s-scathing-report-might-be-the-of-joe-biden-embarrassment/news-story/90a0812b4c750474d1844636d0532dda

If this was the Orange man or any other politician the world would lose their mind

 

[hineyrulz]

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/holy-s-scathing-report-might-be-the-of-joe-biden-embarrassment/news-story/90a0812b4c750474d1844636d0532dda

If this was the Orange man or any other politician the world would lose their mind

An elder man with a poor memory who just happens to be the POTUS. Only in America.

 

[Gronk]

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/holy-s-scathing-report-might-be-the-of-joe-biden-embarrassment/news-story/90a0812b4c750474d1844636d0532dda

If this was the Orange man or any other politician the world would lose their mind

I don't really know what this is about, but it seems that somebody has the upsets that Trump was charged with criming when he refused 100 times to give back the classified documents. So with the numbers in congress, they ordered an inquiry about when Joe Biden was VP and he had some papers ?

Special counsel has finished Biden classified docs probe -- but has rebuffed witness requests to review report

The special counsel has finished his probe into President Biden's handling of classified documents -- but he's denied witnesses' efforts to review a draft of the report.

abcnews.go.com

Sources told ABC News that authorities had apparently uncovered instances of carelessness from Biden's vice presidency, but that -- based on what witnesses told investigators -- it seemed to them that the improper removal of classified documents from Biden's office when he left the White House in 2017 was more likely a mistake than a criminal act.

The crazy thing is with the Mar-a-logo boxes drama is that the National Archives, FBI, CIA, White House were all saying nicely to Trump for like a year, dude you just have to let us back the truck up and let us have them all. No dramas. ..................No I don't have them. You cant have them. I am entitled to them. On and on and on.

As for the article ^^ well the New York Post is Rupert's most loopy bias (yes even more than Fox News) outlet, so let's see what the report actually says. Ben Shapiro ? You might as well ask Eric Trump for an unbiased update.

But yeah, Joe is old.

 

[Gronk]

^^^^

Biden classified documents special counsel report: six key takeaways

No charges despite ‘willfull’ retention of material but Robert Hur stresses president’s age and allegedly faulty memory

www.theguardian.com

Ooo nasty. I think someone I know would call this a witch hunt.

Sooo.....It wasn't really about the documents. It was really about getting a report out in 2024 that looks official but is really just a hit job that critiques Joe's mental capacity. Politics is naaaaasty. I give them points though.

No criminal charges warranted, now or later​

Justice department policy prohibits bringing charges against a sitting president. But Hur says even if Biden were not president, he would not recommend criminal charges. Hur opines that jurors at any trial would not convict Biden because evidence suggests he simply forgot he had classified material, or that they would believe he wouldn’t realize he was breaking the law because he was so used to seeing such documents.

Report damning about Biden’s memory​

Hur acidly describes Biden, in an interview the president sat for with him, as presenting himself as “a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory” who would probably behave the same with a jury, thereby sowing “reasonable doubt” and a sense that Biden made “an innocent mistake” in keeping the documents. Hur said Biden couldn’t remember exactly when he was vice-president and asked Hur, and couldn’t recall “even within a few years” when his older son, Beau, died (2015).