OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[the phantom menace]

And yet you believe these costly and ineffective employees are desired by the organisation. Hollywood has let you down, again.

No, as stated above it was a throwaway line... to reel in any dopey fish. Didn't think the same fish would bite twice though !

 

[Gronk]

Despite Carroll’s claims that Trump had raped her, they noted, the jury stopped short of saying he committed that particular offense. Instead, jurors opted for a second option: sexual abuse.

From your own source.
God bless you Twizzle.
Definitely another Gotcha.

That is bullshit.


^^^^^^^^
This case, Carroll II, was tried in April and May 2023. Ms. Carroll contended that Mr. Trump had assaulted her in a dressing room at a New York department store where, among other things, he forcibly penetrated her vagina with his fingers and his penis. She testified in person for most of three days and was cross-examined intensively. Her sexual assault claim was corroborated by two “outcry” witnesses in whom Ms. Carroll had confided shortly after the attack, and was supported by six other fact witnesses. Mr. Trump's defense – based exclusively on an attempt to discredit Ms. Carroll and her other witnesses – in substance was that no assault ever had occurred, that he did not even know Ms. Carroll, and that her accusations were a “Hoax.” Mr. Trump, however, did not testify in person or even attend the trial despite ample opportunity to do so.

The jury's unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”1

As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries,2 in some federal and state criminal statutes,3 and elsewhere.4 The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was “raped” within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump “raped” her as many people commonly understand the word “rape.” Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.

 

[the phantom menace]

What’s the significance of this, in your opinion? Do you think it makes him pro-Republican party?

You appear to be dismissing the significance of this fact and the shooters adult personal choice entirely.

The significance of this is that - at some point subsequent to a potentially impulsive and trifling childhood donation elsewhere - as a voting adult, the shooter had decided to register his interest in being involved in and having a say locally in Republican politics.

Keep fishing...

 

[the phantom menace]

Jennifer Green is a registered Republican in Wyoming, even though she is not a conservative. She said the state’s closed primaries leave voters with few choices in a place where the GOP sweeps general elections.

“To have a voice in politics, you kind of need to be a Republican,” she told NPR.

Green said this strategy has allowed her to weigh in on some pivotal primary races. For example, when former Congresswoman Liz Cheney was up for reelection in 2022, Green said she wanted to be sure to vote for her.

“I despise Liz Cheney, her politics, and we disagree on just about everything,” she said. “But in the primaries, I voted for her because she was right on the Jan. 6 hearings and she will go down [on] the right side of history.”

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/06/nx-s1-5019252/republicans-closing-primary-elections

It's a #Poulogic irrelevancy own goal!!

 

[Gronk]

Oh fun

 

[ImTheMan]

Gronk scraping the bottom of the barrel with more gotcha content, political witch hunt. The verdict stands as it is, opinions on it notwithstanding it is not even rape in the liberal jurisdiction it took place in. Just more fuel to put on the fire for the next loner.

Is it upsetting to you that even if you make another 5000 posts before the election, exaggerated claims are made by the machine and they throw every last banana republic tactic at Trump, not even a bullet in the end will put a stop to him being reelected? Democracy at work. Now listen to Biden, calm it down and go back to talking about policy which is what people ("RWNJS") actually care about. The people really don't like your guy anymore (source: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/)

*Sips whiskey*
Cheers!

 

[the phantom menace]

Satire of course, but like all good satire makes a salient point (with supporting links to evidence).

I Can’t Believe Such a Hateful, Violent Act Could Happen in the Hateful, Violent Era I’ve Created

“It is incredible that such an act can take place in our country.” — Donald Trump, writing on Truth Social after an attempt on his life, 7/13/24 - ...

www.mcsweeneys.net

 

[Gronk]

Gronk scraping the bottom of the barrel with more gotcha content, political witch hunt. The verdict stands as it is, opinions on it notwithstanding it is not even rape in the liberal jurisdiction it took place in. Just more fuel to put on the fire for the next loner.

No mate. The court found that he raped her.

It was a defamation case the same as the Brittany Higgins case here.

Carroll v Trump - He raped her - awarded $2M.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-dis-crt-sd-new-yor/114642632.html

Lehrmann vs Channel Ten - He raped her - Zero damages awarded. Applicant pays costs.

Lehrmann v Network Ten Pty Limited (Trial Judgment) [2024] FCA 369 - BarNet Jade

The smart way to search, annotate and share Australian legal judgments, decisions and statutes!

jade.io

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That's all great mate, but really what does it have to do with a voter in Pennsylvania? It's a completely different kettle of fish being a swing state.

If you're engaged enough in the process in a swing state with closed primaries to join a party, what is the advantage to you in denying yourself a vote in your party's primary by joining the opposition?

That makes little to no sense.

Neither does shooting your own party’s presidential candidate. That says a bit more about his motivations than joining the Republican party, which has been shown to mean absolutely nothing. It doesn’t even cost $15

 

[Poupou Escobar]

No mate. The court found that he raped her.

It was a defamation case the same as the Brittany Higgins case here.

Carroll v Trump - He raped her - awarded $2M.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-dis-crt-sd-new-yor/114642632.html

Lehrmann vs Channel Ten - He raped her - Zero damages awarded. Applicant pays costs.

Lehrmann v Network Ten Pty Limited (Trial Judgment) [2024] FCA 369 - BarNet Jade

The smart way to search, annotate and share Australian legal judgments, decisions and statutes!

jade.io

The US Supreme Court will be pleased to hear your endorsement that there are no activist judges.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Hasty generalisation.

Of course not every registered Republican is a sneaky Democrat. You need to look at all the evidence, such as history of donations and assassination attempts

 

[Gronk]

The US Supreme Court will be pleased to hear your endorsement that there are no activist judges.

It was a jury verdict.

 

[the phantom menace]

Neither does shooting your own party’s presidential candidate. That says a bit more about his motivations than joining the Republican party, which has been shown to mean absolutely nothing. It doesn’t even cost $15

That doesn't show anything about his motivations either - other than the fact that he did it.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Also Twizzle, calling a whole group (Approx half of America) nutjobs is the most bigoted thing you could probably do. So tolerant and virtuous, such a good leftwinger you are.

"The jury unanimously sided with Carroll in finding Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation, but ruled he was not liable for rape. While the case took place in federal court, it was considered under the New York penal code, which only considers an attack "rape" if a person forces his genitals into another person."

The second trial between Donald Trump and E. Jean Carroll began Tuesday. Here's what to know.

The trial, which began Tuesday morning, is the second related to E. Jean Carroll's allegations and Trump's subsequent denials.

www.cbsnews.com

Any other commentary is just politically charged, that is the law. And like with Hayne, absolutely unfounded. Keep thinking that people are voting for the person and not the policies. It has been a very good coping mechanism obviously to pretend that a large amount of people are blinded by the charisma of a "dictator". I'm sorry but it has always been the policies, not many went "ohhh rich celeb is making me want to vote for him, mmm much charisma". They just don't like what the elites represent, an obvious disdain for the working class deplorables.

*Sips whiskey*
Cheers!

I’m not sure they are voting for policies as much as they are voting against the tribalism of coastal elites. The fact Trump used to be one of them is why the elites are so viciously opposed to him. He is a heretic.

 

[the phantom menace]

Of course not every registered Republican is a sneaky Democrat. You need to look at all the evidence, such as history of donations and assassination attempts

You'd do well to follow your own advice to look at all the evidence too... you're really making (more of) a goose of yourself in this thread, trying to argue the contrary points for the sake of it.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That doesn't show anything about his motivations either - other than the fact that he did it.

Yes maybe he wishes Trump all the best ffs

 

[Poupou Escobar]

No, as stated above it was a throwaway line... to reel in any dopey fish. Didn't think the same fish would bite twice though !

Says the only man who replies to every single one of my posts.

 

[the phantom menace]

Yes maybe he wishes Trump all the best ffs

Or hopes that sweet girl who ignored him at the high school prom notices him now... Or those teachers that didn't pick him on the school rifle squad because he was a bad shot... Or any number of other motivations that are equally as plausible as whatever you are trying to argue, just to avoid acknowledging the fact that the shooter as an adult registered to vote in the Republican (and not Democrat) primaries.

 

[the phantom menace]

Says the only man who replies to every single one of my posts.

Not every single one... not even every single dumb one .

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Oh fun

He can’t be anti-democracy because he is registered to participate in a democratic process! Next they’ll be telling us you don’t need to vote Republican to register as a party member.