OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Twizzle]

They are not a party of government and will never be.

I agree which is a shame, I'm very much what I call greenie, although I mostly vote for Nats up here. The Greens, especially in this part of the world, would have us all living in tents if they had their way. Too many crazies around Byron and Mullum.

If there were a green party that was commercially sensible and environmentally minded I think they could do well as many people are concerned about the environment especially with the boomers dropping off the perch and the gen Z and 0s will be able to vote soon, I think and environmental party could do well in the future.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Yes

The ALP is more central that people think, they are attacked by the green's the same way they attacked the LNP when in government. It is clear to see the Greens are more a party of pushing agendas then a party of government which the ALP is.

The Greens set goals that would be great for 3 terms in office and expect it to be done in less than one and to hell with the consequences. I have known many members of the Greens and heard about party meetings, most of them have to dissolve without resolutions being passed because debates are reduced to shouting matches and tears. They are not a party of government and will never be.

Greens are one of the big reasons, we are still arguing about power policy, because they voted against the CPRS back in 2009. They were to focused on principles rather than governing.

In saying that, Rudd didn't have the "balls" to call a double dissolution election. His popularity went down hill from there...

 

[MarkInTheStands]

In saying that, Rudd didn't have the "balls" to call a double dissolution election. His popularity went down hill from there...

More like the Party didn't.

Our old passed friend on here (fishy) who was a member of the party back then would tell you that Queensland was shaky back in the day and were worried about losing seats. That is why they knifed KRUDD and why we ended up with a hung parliament.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

I agree which is a shame, I'm very much what I call greenie, although I mostly vote for Nats up here. The Greens, especially in this part of the world, would have us all living in tents if they had their way. Too many crazies around Byron and Mullum.

If there were a green party that was commercially sensible and environmentally minded I think they could do well as many people are concerned about the environment especially with the boomers dropping off the perch and the gen Z and 0s will be able to vote soon, I think and environmental party could do well in the future.

I myself am further left than the ALP or indeed the Greens when I fill out the "Vote Compass" forms during elections.

But I am also a Trade Unionist and Third Way Socialist. The reason I am an ALP member is I understand that goals are that, and moving incrementally towards them is indeed the only way I have ever seen progress in my life.

 

[strider]

SMH is right leaning? Do their editorial staff and contributors know this?

Then again, I suppose that it is a matter of perspective, much like how the ALP seems right wing to a greens voter or Gronk.

I think people throw this right/left shit around willy nilly ... the SMH is not really "right" oriented ..... it is a convenient thing to say when people want to imply it is biased against what they align with

People are probably just gonna run with the old, oh Peter Costello was chairman once, line forever to try and claim the SMH is biased against their beliefs ..... I'm sure there are times they chase a headline with something favouring one side or the other at times

Nine, the owner of the SMH, is most definitely not "right" aligned in a "social" sense

 

[Gronk]

 

[King-Gutho94]

Greens are one of the big reasons, we are still arguing about power policy, because they voted against the CPRS back in 2009. They were to focused on principles rather than governing.

In saying that, Rudd didn't have the "balls" to call a double dissolution election. His popularity went down hill from there...

The Greens are a genuine pest on society and life in general.

Seriously if there are any greenies on here get f**ked and leave the forum we don't want you.

 

[the phantom menace]

Nine, the owner of the SMH, is most definitely not "right" aligned in a "social" sense

I think you'll find it's been heading that way over recent years.

It's gone a long way from the very neutral/centrist tones of Hendo reporting the news.

 

[Gronk]

I think people throw this right/left shit around willy nilly ... the SMH is not really "right" oriented ..... it is a convenient thing to say when people want to imply it is biased against what they align with

People are probably just gonna run with the old, oh Peter Costello was chairman once, line forever to try and claim the SMH is biased against their beliefs ..... I'm sure there are times they chase a headline with something favouring one side or the other at times

Nine, the owner of the SMH, is most definitely not "right" aligned in a "social" sense

The Age / SMH absolutely lurched to right of centre since the 2018 takeover by Nine from Fairfax. The core left leaning readers absolutely know it. Your comment from over there on the far right is, perplexing.

 

[Gronk]

The Greens are a genuine pest on society and life in general.

Seriously if there are any greenies on here get f**ked and leave the forum we don't want you.

Keep ya shirt on fella.

 

[the phantom menace]

I myself am further left than the ALP or indeed the Greens when I fill out the "Vote Compass" forms during elections.

But I am also a Trade Unionist and Third Way Socialist. The reason I am an ALP member is I understand that goals are that, and moving incrementally towards them is indeed the only way I have ever seen progress in my life.

I too cannot bring myself to vote for the Greens for the same reasons, despite having general concerns about the environment, for nature, about our collective future etc. The Greens are a party of shambolic policy proposals, comprising impatient/argumentative "activists" catering only to potential protest voters.

All the good things that have moved us forward as a nation in my lifetime have happened under ALP governments - apart from maybe Howard's gun laws (which anyone in power at that certain point in time would have pursued).

I have no problem with the union movement, and remain a proud lifelong union member. I vote ALP for the same reasons you've mentioned - incremental sensible progressive change from a party experienced in the ways of government.