Oust Doust

[The Nick]

interesting theories... i also have a few comments to add..
"He has constantly acquired funding for both Kogarah and Gong home grounds" .. .well he was pushed into action here, the NRL have strict guidelines on what requirements home grounds must meet in order to be accepted as NRL standard..

"He managed to bring in a coach like Bennet and the support staff" ... well not really, Bennett already had a hand shake deal with the roosters on the proviso that it wasnt leaked to the media... it was leaked and thus Bennett actually approached Doust.. Doust didnt proactively try and recruit Bennett..

"massive increase in memberships" Doust didnt do anything here either the NRL had a massive membership drive for all clubs, and Wendell Sailor actively played a part in this for the Dragons with his "RED V is part of me" campaign..

i am sure he has done a lot of positive things over the years as well, but there is a lot that has also fallen in his lap so to speak, or the club has been pushed into action based on NRL requirments... IMO Doust as a CEO has shown ZERO creativity or vision in comparison with other CEO's like the bulldogs, brisbane etc.. he seems to be stuck in the 80's mentality and we need a visionary leader at the club now especially with things like recruitment and corporate dollars so hard to achieve

Wow what a load of rubbish!

Firstly, have you seen Oki Jubilee? It is probably the best suburban ground in the NRL! Thanks to the funding aqcuired by Doust, nothing to do with any NRL guidelines! Look at Brookvale FFS!! Or even better, look at clubs like Souths and Bulldogs who play their home games at Homebush!!!

On Bennett, WRONG again! Yeah he signed with Roosters, but when the deal fell through he remained at Broncos for another season. He never approached Doust you fool, in fact Wayne Bennett has openly admitted to Cowboys being his first preference. Bennett has also stated what a well run club we are, that we were never a "basket case" etc. Do you really think he would have come to Saints if Doust was doing such a terrible job?

On Club Membership, yeah the NRL has had a part in that, but so has our club. Oh and who signed Wendell Sailor at the end of his 2 year drug ban when no-one wanted a bar of him? Oh that's right, Browny and DOUST. Who kept him on as Club Ambassador? DOUST!

 

[Breathingfire]

Wow what a load of rubbish!

Firstly, have you seen Oki Jubilee? It is probably the best suburban ground in the NRL! Thanks to the funding aqcuired by Doust, nothing to do with any NRL guidelines! Look at Brookvale FFS!! Or even better, look at clubs like Souths and Bulldogs who play their home games at Homebush!!!

On Bennett, WRONG again! Yeah he signed with Roosters, but when the deal fell through he remained at Broncos for another season. He never approached Doust you fool, in fact Wayne Bennett has openly admitted to Cowboys being his first preference. Bennett has also stated what a well run club we are, that we were never a "basket case" etc. Do you really think he would have come to Saints if Doust was doing such a terrible job?

On Club Membership, yeah the NRL has had a part in that, but so has our club. Oh and who signed Wendell Sailor at the end of his 2 year drug ban when no-one wanted a bar of him? Oh that's right, Browny and DOUST. Who kept him on as Club Ambassador? DOUST!

You're the biggest knob on the forum :lol:

 

[Mr Red]

Wow what a load of rubbish!

Firstly, have you seen Oki Jubilee? It is probably the best suburban ground in the NRL! Thanks to the funding aqcuired by Doust, nothing to do with any NRL guidelines! Look at Brookvale FFS!! Or even better, look at clubs like Souths and Bulldogs who play their home games at Homebush!!!

On Bennett, WRONG again! Yeah he signed with Roosters, but when the deal fell through he remained at Broncos for another season. He never approached Doust you fool, in fact Wayne Bennett has openly admitted to Cowboys being his first preference. Bennett has also stated what a well run club we are, that we were never a "basket case" etc. Do you really think he would have come to Saints if Doust was doing such a terrible job?

On Club Membership, yeah the NRL has had a part in that, but so has our club. Oh and who signed Wendell Sailor at the end of his 2 year drug ban when no-one wanted a bar of him? Oh that's right, Browny and DOUST. Who kept him on as Club Ambassador? DOUST!

oh man this is wrong on so many levels....
at no stage did i criticise our home grounds- i agree they are the best regional grounds in the NRL... however that point has nothing to do with my comment,.. and the fact you mention teams having to abandon their regional grounds and play at the major venues actually supports my comments regarding those grounds failing to meet the NRL standards..
and as for Bennett, yes he did approach the dragons... who cares if its 1 year or 10 years later it did happen, Doust DID NOT proactively approach Bennett for the coaching role..
but anyway feel free to live in your dream world :roll:

 

[Mr Red]

You're the biggest knob on the forum :lol:

haha.. yes, yes he is...or he could be Mr Doust? :lol:

 

[Guvner]

Wow what a load of rubbish!

Firstly, have you seen Oki Jubilee? It is probably the best suburban ground in the NRL! Thanks to the funding aqcuired by Doust, nothing to do with any NRL guidelines! Look at Brookvale FFS!! Or even better, look at clubs like Souths and Bulldogs who play their home games at Homebush!!!

On Bennett, WRONG again! Yeah he signed with Roosters, but when the deal fell through he remained at Broncos for another season. He never approached Doust you fool, in fact Wayne Bennett has openly admitted to Cowboys being his first preference. Bennett has also stated what a well run club we are, that we were never a "basket case" etc. Do you really think he would have come to Saints if Doust was doing such a terrible job?

On Club Membership, yeah the NRL has had a part in that, but so has our club. Oh and who signed Wendell Sailor at the end of his 2 year drug ban when no-one wanted a bar of him? Oh that's right, Browny and DOUST. Who kept him on as Club Ambassador? DOUST!

Spot on. It should also be pointed out that the Dogs passed on Bennett before we got him. Greenberg chose to stick with Moore....

 

[The Nick]

You're the biggest knob on the forum :lol:

Great contribution champ, I hope you feel better for getting that off your chest :roll:

All the best.

 

[The Nick]

oh man this is wrong on so many levels....
at no stage did i criticise our home grounds- i agree they are the best regional grounds in the NRL... however that point has nothing to do with my comment,.. and the fact you mention teams having to abandon their regional grounds and play at the major venues actually supports my comments regarding those grounds failing to meet the NRL standards..
and as for Bennett, yes he did approach the dragons... who cares if its 1 year or 10 years later it did happen, Doust DID NOT proactively approach Bennett for the coaching role..
but anyway feel free to live in your dream world :roll:

Well I see you've completely missed my point about our home grounds, so probably no point continuing a conversation that is clearly going to go straight over your head..

As for your claim that Bennett approached Doust, and Doust did nothing, do you have any proof of this? Or are you just making shit up?

 

[ghostface]

Wow what a load of rubbish!

Firstly, have you seen Oki Jubilee? It is probably the best suburban ground in the NRL! Thanks to the funding aqcuired by Doust, nothing to do with any NRL guidelines! Look at Brookvale FFS!! Or even better, look at clubs like Souths and Bulldogs who play their home games at Homebush!!!

On Bennett, WRONG again! Yeah he signed with Roosters, but when the deal fell through he remained at Broncos for another season. He never approached Doust you fool, in fact Wayne Bennett has openly admitted to Cowboys being his first preference. Bennett has also stated what a well run club we are, that we were never a "basket case" etc. Do you really think he would have come to Saints if Doust was doing such a terrible job?

On Club Membership, yeah the NRL has had a part in that, but so has our club. Oh and who signed Wendell Sailor at the end of his 2 year drug ban when no-one wanted a bar of him? Oh that's right, Browny.and DOUST. Who kept him on as Club Ambassador? DOUST!

You're right on all accounts here Nick. A lot of people here try and raise points that are only valid to their opinions. Doust has not been the disaster many on here claim.

 

[Mr Red]

Well I see you've completely missed my point about our home grounds, so probably no point continuing a conversation that is clearly going to go straight over your head..

As for your claim that Bennett approached Doust, and Doust did nothing, do you have any proof of this? Or are you just making shit up?

as other forum members have already clearly pointed out if you bother to read the thread - Bennett talks about this point in his book and mentions how he approached the dragons, and yes he did approach us - not Doust approaching him.
he also approached the dragons after walking away from his handshake deal with the roosters, and then he did approach the cowboys before us - they rejected him.
Bennett wanted a 5 year deal, Doust rejected this and said 3 years... God knows how close Doust was to stuffing up a deal that landed in his lap..
so unless you are accusing Bennett of "making shit up" then what i have said is factual.

 

[Willow]

On Kogarah...

The only reason we got back there was because of Lachlan McLean and R2K firstly, and Robert Stone second. The people at R2K didn't let go of the issue, and I believe Stone knew they were right. If it was left up to others in the club - Peter Doust included - we would never have returned to Kogarah. After being removed from Kogarah in 99, it looked like we would lose playing in St George forever. But the protests from R2K were loud enough and there were attempts to have us play at Barton Park, then Cahill Park... but neither were ever going to happen. It was obvious that Kogarah was still the best option for a St George home ground, but it was all floundering at club level.

The turning point came in March 2002 when R2K held an information night at the Kogarah RSL. A number of speakers were there including Frank Hyde and Tony Squires, then Stone got up and talked - to his credit he took on all questions. Doust was at the rear of the room.

One thing that came out of the meeting was that R2K was not going to go away. After that, things started to turn around.

There are forummers here who were a witnesses to it all. When Doust started becoming the club mouthpiece for the Return, I know it grated on a lot of people. Fact is, by then the hard work had been done. My view at the time was that it didn't matter, after all the issue was about getting back to Kogarah, not who should take credit.

We know the facts but that may not be good enough. History shouldn't be re-written.

 

[Breathingfire]

It is not even a matter of whether you are for or against what Doust has done...the fact of the matter is that he has been in the job for too long. In much the same way it was time for David Gallop to move on, its time for Peter Doush...we need a new direction and a fresh face to spark the club into action.

 

[Breathingfire]

Great contribution champ, I hope you feel better for getting that off your chest :roll:

All the best.

Nearly as good as your first contribution to this thread. :roll:

:lol:

 

[The Nick]

as other forum members have already clearly pointed out if you bother to read the thread - Bennett talks about this point in his book and mentions how he approached the dragons, and yes he did approach us - not Doust approaching him.
he also approached the dragons after walking away from his handshake deal with the roosters, and then he did approach the cowboys before us - they rejected him.
Bennett wanted a 5 year deal, Doust rejected this and said 3 years... God knows how close Doust was to stuffing up a deal that landed in his lap..
so unless you are accusing Bennett of "making shit up" then what i have said is factual.

Fair enough then mate, I haven't read Bennett's book yet but it's definitely on my to do list.

 

[The Nick]

On Kogarah...

The only reason we got back there was because of Lachlan McLean and R2K firstly, and Robert Stone second. The people at R2K didn't let go of the issue, and I believe Stone knew they were right. If it was left up to others in the club - Peter Doust included - we would never have returned to Kogarah. After being removed from Kogarah in 99, it looked like we would lose playing in St George forever. But the protests from R2K were loud enough and there were attempts to have us play at Barton Park, then Cahill Park... but neither were ever going to happen. It was obvious that Kogarah was still the best option for a St George home ground, but it was all floundering at club level.

The turning point came in March 2002 when R2K held an information night at the Kogarah RSL. A number of speakers were there including Frank Hyde and Tony Squires, then Stone got up and talked - to his credit he took on all questions. Doust was at the rear of the room.

One thing that came out of the meeting was that R2K was not going to go away. After that, things started to turn around.

There are forummers here who were a witnesses to it all. When Doust started becoming the club mouthpiece for the Return, I know it grated on a lot of people. Fact is, by then the hard work had been done. My view at the time was that it didn't matter, after all the issue was about getting back to Kogarah, not who should take credit.

We know the facts but that may not be good enough. History shouldn't be re-written.

Thanks for the clarification on the subject Willow, I wasn't aware of any of that.

 

[The Nick]

Nearly as good as your first contribution to this thread. :roll:

:lol:

Nearly, but not quite

 

[Stagger Lee]

On Kogarah...

The only reason we got back there was because of Lachlan McLean and R2K firstly, and Robert Stone second. The people at R2K didn't let go of the issue, and I believe Stone knew they were right. If it was left up to others in the club - Peter Doust included - we would never have returned to Kogarah. After being removed from Kogarah in 99, it looked like we would lose playing in St George forever. But the protests from R2K were loud enough and there were attempts to have us play at Barton Park, then Cahill Park... but neither were ever going to happen. It was obvious that Kogarah was still the best option for a St George home ground, but it was all floundering at club level.

The turning point came in March 2002 when R2K held an information night at the Kogarah RSL. A number of speakers were there including Frank Hyde and Tony Squires, then Stone got up and talked - to his credit he took on all questions. Doust was at the rear of the room.

One thing that came out of the meeting was that R2K was not going to go away. After that, things started to turn around.

There are forummers here who were a witnesses to it all. When Doust started becoming the club mouthpiece for the Return, I know it grated on a lot of people. Fact is, by then the hard work had been done. My view at the time was that it didn't matter, after all the issue was about getting back to Kogarah, not who should take credit.

We know the facts but that may not be good enough. History shouldn't be re-written.

I shall echo Nick and say thanks for the clarification Willow.
and that I shall also try and check up on Bennets book Mr Red.

While it seems that Doust should have little or no credit for the R2K the last few updates should surely be awarded to him, again I am happy to be proven wrong and for the facts to come to light.

Also people are implying that Bennett landed on the lap of the Saints. Maybe Doust did not have to work that hard but the bottom line is he signed him. And for people that criticise him for only signing him for 3 years well that is 3 more than the dogs / souths / cowboys etc.

Some people have said that maybe his time is up and it is time for a new approach - Well that is an argument that I can understand with but only IF a high quality replacement can be found. If and when Doust goes I will certainly be glad to give him a handshake and say thanks for what you have done for the dragons.

 

[Willow]

Having said, I also think that sometimes some people get a little carried away with the Oust Doust rhetoric. It's not as if he has done nothing and at the end of the day he is a Saints man. But of course he is not above criticism.

Also, Doust is not the only perosn in the club. I'm not overly joyed with the goings on at other levels within the club. Danny Robinson's comments around the time of the pokie tax dealings were of great concern.

 

[Elias1983]

Having said, I also think that sometimes some people get a little carried away with the Oust Doust rhetoric. It's not as if he has done nothing and at the end of the day he is a Saints man. But of course he is not above criticism.

Also, Doust is not the only perosn in the club. I'm not overly joyed with the goings on at other levels within the club. Danny Robinson's comments around the time of the pokie tax dealings were of great concern.

To be 100% fair also.

When the chance of signing bennett arrived, Doust did still have plenty of work to do.

I remember reading in the papers that some board members were against it and were pushing for Ian Millward (I think that's the name, he was coaching in England at the time) to coach the Dragons.

OK it feel into his lap but when it did he grabbed it with both hands.

 

[Mr Red]

On Kogarah...

The only reason we got back there was because of Lachlan McLean and R2K firstly, and Robert Stone second. The people at R2K didn't let go of the issue, and I believe Stone knew they were right. If it was left up to others in the club - Peter Doust included - we would never have returned to Kogarah. After being removed from Kogarah in 99, it looked like we would lose playing in St George forever. But the protests from R2K were loud enough and there were attempts to have us play at Barton Park, then Cahill Park... but neither were ever going to happen. It was obvious that Kogarah was still the best option for a St George home ground, but it was all floundering at club level.

The turning point came in March 2002 when R2K held an information night at the Kogarah RSL. A number of speakers were there including Frank Hyde and Tony Squires, then Stone got up and talked - to his credit he took on all questions. Doust was at the rear of the room.

One thing that came out of the meeting was that R2K was not going to go away. After that, things started to turn around.

There are forummers here who were a witnesses to it all. When Doust started becoming the club mouthpiece for the Return, I know it grated on a lot of people. Fact is, by then the hard work had been done. My view at the time was that it didn't matter, after all the issue was about getting back to Kogarah, not who should take credit.

We know the facts but that may not be good enough. History shouldn't be re-written.

good points Williow. for the record what are your thoughts on Mr Doust and whether you see him as a viable CEO to lead the club in the right direction?

 

[Guvner]

as other forum members have already clearly pointed out if you bother to read the thread - Bennett talks about this point in his book and mentions how he approached the dragons, and yes he did approach us - not Doust approaching him.
he also approached the dragons after walking away from his handshake deal with the roosters, and then he did approach the cowboys before us - they rejected him.
Bennett wanted a 5 year deal, Doust rejected this and said 3 years... God knows how close Doust was to stuffing up a deal that landed in his lap..
so unless you are accusing Bennett of "making shit up" then what i have said is factual.

Bennett also said the club was in a great position when he arrived. Was he making shit up? Or is it possible management here had actually got us to a good position for Bennett to come in and do what he did. Surely there were reasons he approached us?

It should also be remembered that in order to appoint Bennett he had to heave ho a friend and club stalwart in Nathan Brown. Never easy.

Yeah, If he was anything like Greenberg he would have stuffed it altogether ;-)