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Pacific Test has future alongside State of Origin

kiwileaguefan

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From SMH

The Pacific Test is expected to be moved to a stand-alone State of Origin weekend and City-Country scrapped when the NRL's new broadcast deal begins in 2018, while the eligibility rules for island nations are likely to be reviewed after the success of this weekend's representative round.

With the mid-season Anzac Test axed to enable a shorter 25-round competition in 2018, there were concerns at Pirtek Stadium after Saturday night's Samoa-Tonga and PNG-Fiji double-header about the future of the Pacific Test but Fairfax Media understands the fixture will shift to the stand alone weekend for the second State of Origin match.

Origin II will be played on a Sunday night so the NRL needs to provide content for its broadcast partners on that weekend and there is support to play the Pacific Test double-header on the Saturday night and possibly a New Zealand-England Test on the Friday night.

The NRL used Saturday night's double-header at Parramatta, which attracted a boisterous 15,225 crowd and was watched by a combined audience of 275,000 on Fox Sports, to announce a historic Test between Samoa and Fiji in Apia on October 8 and to show it is committed to growing the game in the Pacific.

However, City-Country appears destined for the scrapheap after the lack of support from clubs, with more than 60 players unavailable for Sunday's match at Tamworth. It is believed the money saved from the match would be better spent on taking more NRL matches to the bush.

There is also concern among the Pacific nations about whether clubs will block players from representing the countries of their heritage but ARLC chairman John Grant said on Saturday night he was confident Samoa and Fiji would have their stars available for the end-of-season Test at Apia Park.

The decision to play a Test in Samoa for the first time to mark the 30th anniversary of the game in the island nation has even created hopes that Brisbane five-eighth Anthony Milford would make himself available after he texted members of the Samoa camp immediately after the game and expressed his support for the team on social media.

It had previously been suggested that Brisbane and England coach Wayne Bennett had blocked Milford from playing in the Pacific Test to save him from having to declare he didn't want to play, but the belief in the Samoa camp is that the northern hemisphere nations are concerned about whether they can compete with full-strength Pacific nations.

"I've got no doubt that particularly Tonga and Samoa, if we can pick our best players we can compete," Samoa coach Matt Parish told Triple M. "Samoa showed that in the 2014 Four Nations and we didn't have Tony Milford then but I have no doubt if Tony had played the first two games [against England and New Zealand] we probably could have won them."

Parish, who revealed that Samoa players had been paid $650 to cover expenses for the week in camp in comparison to the $30,000 Origin players earn, said after the 18-6 defeat of Tonga that he had received a number of texts from Milford that showed how keen he was to again play for the country after starring at the 2013 World Cup.

However, Tonga coach Kristian Wolf said the current eligibility rules were the biggest obstacle for the Pacific nations, and he cited Andrew Fifita, Will Hopoate, Michael Jennings and Tui Lolohea as players who could have played on Saturday night and would have ensured an even greater spectacle.

"I get text messages all day and phone calls all week about blokes wanting to play," Wolf said. "There's plenty of blokes who'd love to be in camp. As a result of the rules, unfortunately they're not able to."

Under the RLIF eligibility rules, Fifita. Hopoate and Jennings would be ineligible to play State of Origin or for Australian if they had played for Tonga on Saturday night but they will be allowed to change their country of election for the 2017 World Cup if not selected by the Kangaroos.

However, many believe a player eligible for Australia, New Zealand or England who also qualifies for a developing nation on heritage grounds should be able to play for that country if not chosen by one of the big three and there is a push for the rules to change after the World Cup.

"If Australia and New Zealand don't pick them they should be able to go back to the other nations if they want an international showcase where it is more than three teams," Parish said.
 

Sinman

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John Grant has said that he wants to try and start paying the other nations something proper for playing tests so money is not such an issue in people wanting to play for the bigger nations.. I think.. Simply.. that they should stop paying Australia.. because the Australians already get Origin money.. make Australia play for "the love of their nation" and use the money that Australia gets to pay the Pacific Island players!! That will help stop the likes of Radradra playing for Aus..
 

flamin

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I believe it was the RLPA who fought for higher Test match payments in the last agreement, so any reduction would have to overcome their opposition.
 

siv

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Bring all test nations to similar renumeration

But that means we need content to sell

Currently planning seems to think the current Broadcast deal covers all internationals

Cant see how a Eng v NZ or Pacific Tests fall under the current deal
 

miguel de cervantes

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Things are moving in the right direction.

However, it's funny how how league puts the financials in place before the actual test match, union would put the test match in place and wait for the financials.
 

geordie_saint

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We'll never move forward as we should until we get over the idea that players can represent both the islands and NZ/Australia. Get them to choose and stick with the nation - nation swapping should be an absolute no-no.

Pay them the same (as alluded to in this thread) and give them more opportunity to play. The demand will grow.
 

ZEROMISSTACKLES

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We'll never move forward as we should until we get over the idea that players can represent both the islands and NZ/Australia. Get them to choose and stick with the nation - nation swapping should be an absolute no-no.
It's too late for that as you know plenty of players already doing that and realistically I don't see that changing right now. Australia the latest to do this with Semi Radradra.
and give them more opportunity to play. The demand will grow.
You say players should only play for one country and that's halving their OPPORTUNITY to play. It doesn't fit.

I think players should be able to represent 1. Country of birth 2. Country of heritage/ethnicity or 3. Adopted country (e.g. Semi)

Back to the thread topic..I don't think they should do more Pacific Tests. Once a year is golden, anymore may not be practical for the players. We got to thank Hull for releasing Frank Pritchard and Sika Manu, talk of more test might make clubs like Hull change their minds on releasing players.
 

geordie_saint

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It's too late for that as you know plenty of players already doing that and realistically I don't see that changing right now. Australia the latest to do this with Semi Radradra.

You say players should only play for one country and that's halving their OPPORTUNITY to play. It doesn't fit.

I think players should be able to represent 1. Country of birth 2. Country of heritage/ethnicity or 3. Adopted country (e.g. Semi)

Back to the thread topic..I don't think they should do more Pacific Tests. Once a year is golden, anymore may not be practical for the players. We got to thank Hull for releasing Frank Pritchard and Sika Manu, talk of more test might make clubs like Hull change their minds on releasing players.

Then we absolutely disagree. Eligibility is an utter shambles. Yes you can represent those 1-3 options you highlight but not when you have already played for another. That's the issue - change it now.

As for more tests, absolutely they should play more. If Australian players can play an ANZAC Test, 3 x SOO matches and then the Four Nations at the end of the year, then more Tests for Pacific nations should be available.
 

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Then we absolutely disagree. Eligibility is an utter shambles. Yes you can represent those 1-3 options you highlight but not when you have already played for another. That's the issue - change it now.

As for more tests, absolutely they should play more. If Australian players can play an ANZAC Test, 3 x SOO matches and then the Four Nations at the end of the year, then more Tests for Pacific nations should be available.

I know what you saying. I just don't see it happening.
 

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Then we absolutely disagree. Eligibility is an utter shambles. Yes you can represent those 1-3 options you highlight but not when you have already played for another. That's the issue - change it now.

As for more tests, absolutely they should play more. If Australian players can play an ANZAC Test, 3 x SOO matches and then the Four Nations at the end of the year, then more Tests for Pacific nations should be available.

Spot on.
 

ZEROMISSTACKLES

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Doesn't mean it shouldn't and that people shouldn't push for it.

Too much "it's too hard" in this game, especially here in the UK.
Definitely people should push for it but just like over there in the UK we have plenty of "its too hard" people here too. Especially the islanders, I can't imagine tens of thousands of islanders making enough noise to make the test happen. Nor do I see them changing the eligibility laws. Many just discuss on a forum like this but a lot of posters just TALK about it and that's the reality. Will I read a poster say 'I've DONE this, I've got signatures of people who is behind this and that'? NO.
 

geordie_saint

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Definitely people should push for it but just like over there in the UK we have plenty of "its too hard" people here too. Especially the islanders, I can't imagine tens of thousands of islanders making enough noise to make the test happen. Nor do I see them changing the eligibility laws. Many just discuss on a forum like this but a lot of posters just TALK about it and that's the reality. Will I read a poster say 'I've DONE this, I've got signatures of people who is behind this and that'? NO.

It's not the job of the fans to do that; it's the governing body of each respective nation. It's about time (including mine) started to give a damn and kick up a fuss.
 

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It's not the job of the fans to do that; it's the governing body of each respective nation. It's about time (including mine) started to give a damn and kick up a fuss.

And THAT'S what isn't going to budge. Look like I said I'm just being realistic. I like your idea and your 'we should DO something about it' or did you say that? Cos it kind of??...yeah. Like I said the governing bodies has it the way it is unless..
 

geordie_saint

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And THAT'S what isn't going to budge. Look like I said I'm just being realistic. I like your idea and your 'we should DO something about it' or did you say that? Cos it kind of??...yeah. Like I said the governing bodies has it the way it is unless..

OK - you lobby the NZRL and I'll have a go with the RFL. How does that sound? :)
 

ZEROMISSTACKLES

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OK - you lobby the NZRL and I'll have a go with the RFL. How does that sound? :)
I never said I was going to that. Did I say I was proactively going to push your idea across?

Look I could expose a contradiction you made but I didn't. Just chill.

That's YOUR idea you're talking about and I think it's good. I just don't see it happening end of. Why don't I see it happening? Well if your being sarcastic about you lobbying the RFL then that's a small part of the reason why. "It's too hard" :)
 
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geordie_saint

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I never said I was going to that. Did I say I was proactively going to push your idea across?

Look I could expose a contradiction you made but I didn't. Just chill.

That's YOUR idea you're talking about and I think it's good. I just don't see it happening end of. Why don't I see it happening? Well if your being sarcastic about you lobbying the RFL then that's a small part of the reason why. "It's too hard" :)

I think my post got lost in translation... I was just larking around hence the smiley face. :)

However, on a serious note, it isn't the fans responsibility to hold the RFL account but some of us at least try from a community game perspective. It is certainly hard...
 

ZEROMISSTACKLES

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I think my post got lost in translation... I was just larking around hence the smiley face. :)

However, on a serious note, it isn't the fans responsibility to hold the RFL account but some of us at least try from a community game perspective. It is certainly hard...

Fair enough.
 

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