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Panthers v Parra

WestyLife

First Grade
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It wasn't about finishing first. It was about getting game time because they'd been so disrupted with injuries/origin. During the Eels game commentary said it was the 8th time the spine played together all year.

Good article, however, I do not believe that we will be playing in the game. Hopefully, I am wrong.
 

Frankus

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If we don’t spread the ball wide with bodies in motion and confidence early on in this game, we will know how the game will play out. We will start resorting to Elliott’s game plan of kick and hope. We aren’t playing their B team this week.

I fear another poor performance is on the cards.
 

martielang

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He wouldn't last that long. Gets gassed and it shows in his defence.

Hes played 60+ the last few weeks and easily been our best over that period IMO. Giving him another 10 isn’t going to break him, his confidence looks pretty high at the moment. If you take him off after 30 - 35 and bring him back straight after half time that’s a 15 - 20 min break. Easily enough.

I don’t think we can afford to have him off the field the way our other backrowers are travelling atm.
 

WestyLife

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Hes played 60+ the last few weeks and easily been our best over that period IMO. Giving him another 10 isn’t going to break him, his confidence looks pretty high at the moment. If you take him off after 30 - 35 and bring him back straight after half time that’s a 15 - 20 min break. Easily enough.

I don’t think we can afford to have him off the field the way our other backrowers are travelling atm.

That would work. As long as he has the break. Half time is 10 -15 minutes
 

ACTPanthers

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The old school Panther in me is expecting a loss, and a big one at that.

The new age Panther in me, well there's still a slight glimmer of hope but even he's not completely confident...

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I'm on the fence (the Parra odds are making me want to throw a sneaky $50 on them to soften the blow if we do bow out... but I'd feel dirty as f**k)
 

Crashtest

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Hes played 60+ the last few weeks and easily been our best over that period IMO. Giving him another 10 isn’t going to break him, his confidence looks pretty high at the moment. If you take him off after 30 - 35 and bring him back straight after half time that’s a 15 - 20 min break. Easily enough.

I don’t think we can afford to have him off the field the way our other backrowers are travelling atm.
The problem with that approach is that you use up two interchanges on the one player taking him off then bringing him back on.

By bringing him on off the bench, he plays his 60 odd minutes with only one interchange being used.
 

roofromoz

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The old school Panther in me is expecting a loss, and a big one at that.

The new age Panther in me, well there's still a slight glimmer of hope but even he's not completely confident...

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I'm on the fence (the Parra odds are making me want to throw a sneaky $50 on them to soften the blow if we do bow out... but I'd feel dirty as f**k)

The old school version is strong in me this week. Just been burnt too many times with expectation...
 

martielang

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The problem with that approach is that you use up two interchanges on the one player taking him off then bringing him back on.

By bringing him on off the bench, he plays his 60 odd minutes with only one interchange being used.

True. I know others disagree but I'd probably just try and get 80 out of him.
 

Hooked

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The old school Panther in me is expecting a loss, and a big one at that.

The new age Panther in me, well there's still a slight glimmer of hope but even he's not completely confident...

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I'm on the fence (the Parra odds are making me want to throw a sneaky $50 on them to soften the blow if we do bow out... but I'd feel dirty as f**k)

I think our shot is likely over, but I am confident enough we will beat Parra.
 

mxlegend99

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True. I know others disagree but I'd probably just try and get 80 out of him.
I think we ask him and Yeo to do 80 and get other guys in the pack to lift their work rate especially so they aren't carrying the pack.

Fish needs to bounce back. Leota comes in and does a lot more than Eisenhuth did.

I think we try getting 80 out of these guys as we need them on for our attack to be at its best. Yeo linking and causing guys to second guess defensively in the middle. Kikau creating space on the left for Burton and To'o.
 

Aliceinwonderland

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I can certainly relate that that!


For many of us this is so true. It's been a big year. For blokes like Martin, Luai, To'o 1st time playing origin. This has had a huge impact.

Like many others not at all confident.

Last weekend Gould believes Souths played the game of their lives. I can't disagree. I think there was an element of turning up without be willing to put in the extra 10% like Souths did.

Hopefully this is the kick up the bottom we need.
 

snickers007

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Food for thought regarding the whole 'big game choke' conversation:

Since the introduction of the 6 again for ruck infringements/10meters, we've received on average 3.9 set restarts across 42 regular season games.
In our past 4 matches, we've received 6 set restarts total (1.5 per match on average).

Across the same time 42 regular season games, we've received on average 5.3 penalties.
Our past 4 matches we've received 27 penalties (6.75 per match on average).

Our team relies on our fitness and discipline to wear down the opposition. We prioritise line speed in defence over slowing down the ruck with wrestling, because we're consciously trying to avoid set restarts. And we rely on other teams playing the same way (or the ref doing their job if they can't keep up), to build pressure, dominate field position, and strangle our opposition out of the game.

Towards the end of the season, and in semi-finals, referees tend to 'put the whistle away'. With the introduction of the set restart instead of a penalty, this means less set restarts. The smart teams know this, and exploit it by slowing down the ruck, standing offside, and taking their chances with the ref. Especially early in the tackle count after a deep kick, and when defending their goal-line.

We saw consistently during the 2010's, that conceding penalties does not correlate to winning - in fact the opposite - the Roosters and Storm were consistently winning comps during that period, and were always top of the list in penalties conceded too. They knew that giving away a penalty was worth it to get a breather, and slow things down. The same principal applies now when the set restarts dry up.

While it's the fault of the referees that we have different standards and interpretations for finals matches, we shouldn't be blaming them for our losses. Because we can't control them.

The end result though, is that we're waiting for opportunities to come to us via repeat sets, fatigue, weight of possession etc, that isn't ever going to occur. And we don't have a plan B.

Not sure if that constitutes a choke, or just outlines the hilarity that we pretty much play touch footy for the first 20 weeks of the comp, and then revert to Wrestlemania for the rest. I suppose Melbourne and Souths can do both, so why can't we?
 
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TheRiff

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Think I’d start Kiks and try and get 70 - 80 out of him. Capewell back to the bench and potentially play him through the middle for a short period if Yeo needs a breather.
We had 4 linebreaks, 3 of those came down the left side. The other was Yeo, It is brain dead to not start him
 

age.s

First Grade
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I like that analysis snickers, but Souths got plenty of set restarts on Saturday. I don't have the stats in front of me, were set restarts down in all games over the weekend? It didn't seem like it in the footy that I watched.

If the set restarts are just drying up for us and no one else, then it's likely due to our pack not earning them through dominance in the ruck.
 

roofromoz

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The funny thing though is that IF we do win this week, I am very confident against Melbourne for some reason.
 

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