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Parramatta Eels dodged a bullet with Quade Cooper recruitment drive

Poupou Escobar

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I dunno bart. You talk and talk about the problems at the club but the only crisis I can see is the one in here where the noisiest, whiniest fans in the NRL hang out.

The club looks pretty healthy going forward. We have a good coach, we've recruited well for next year and we have some quality young players locked up right through to 2015.
 

Eels Dude

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That's all subjective though Poupou. I don't agree with everything Bartman says but he does raise some good points. It's great to think optimistically but objective thinking is required too.
 

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Anderson obviously didn't make recruitment/retention decisions after the board had decided not to retain him but he certainly would have prior to that.

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but hang on - I didn't think he was given the flick until HE asked for an extention at the end of the season and they THEN did a review ;-)
 

Poupou Escobar

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Objectively we can only look at the facts as we know them - what we get through the media.

All we know is that despite poor on-field results this year, the club has had overwhelmingly positive press through it's recruitment for 2012. Then very recently we copped some bad press (a couple of sniping articles that were big on implication but light on detail).

Big sporting organisations (i.e. the ones that attract the most interest) are more likely to have their internal squabbles played out through the media - Brisbane and Melbourne went through major public squabbles in the past couple of years, and even Manly - with no fans - was all over the news for all the wrong reasons last week.

It's a fact of life that internal issues at sporting clubs will find their way into the papers because journalists are quick to offer a mouthpiece to any disgruntled party with an axe to grind. Why are we surprised when it's our turn?

As for what's happened, so far we have very little detail other than knowing the allegations aren't true enough for the alleged offender to be sacked. Also that Duncan is no longer on the board. Those are the only facts we know.

The damage of all this is to the team's reputation and marketability, but with all the players we've signed (a couple very high profile) and our continued ability to get into the news (all the high profile players we haven't signed but are still continually being linked to us), our reputation and marketability are still sky-high.

You take the good with the bad. But if it looked like Osborne's continued employment by the club was going to hurt our ability to attract sponsors and fans, then I've no doubt Spagnolo would drop him in a heartbeat.
 

Eels Dude

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Objectively we can only look at the facts as we know them - what we get through the media.

Not everything. There's some people on this forum who have contacts on the inside and regularly keep us updated or give us hints about whats going on. I know a few things too via a couple of contacts but I cannot share. But not everything we know comes from the media.

All we know is that despite poor on-field results this year, the club has had overwhelmingly positive press through it's recruitment for 2012. Then very recently we copped some bad press (a couple of sniping articles that were big on implication but light on detail).

Press is that. Just press. Let's recall the feelgood stories we had last year in regards to Webb, Walker, Hicks and Whatuira wanting to make a fresh start.

Big sporting organisations (i.e. the ones that attract the most interest) are more likely to have their internal squabbles played out through the media - Brisbane and Melbourne went through major public squabbles in the past couple of years, and even Manly - with no fans - was all over the news for all the wrong reasons last week.

It happens to every club. No-one gives a s**t about Cronulla but they were in the papers week in and week out a couple of years ago after all their off field dramas. It's not a matter of how big an organisation you are. It's about finding a story.

It's a fact of life that internal issues at sporting clubs will find their way into the papers because journalists are quick to offer a mouthpiece to any disgruntled party with an axe to grind. Why are we surprised when it's our turn?

Exactly. It's still not a good look though especially when you've quotes from staff members that don't really address the issue. Our club has been quiet this year which should be a good thing, but it's almost been too quiet.

The damage of all this is to the team's reputation and marketability, but with all the players we've signed (a couple very high profile) and our continued ability to get into the news (all the high profile players we haven't signed but are still continually being linked to us), our reputation and marketability are still sky-high.

Maybe, but being high profile can also turn sponsors off very quickly if one little thing goes wrong. Sponsors only like it if you get it in the news for the right reasons.

You take the good with the bad. But if it looked like Osborne's continued employment by the club was going to hurt our ability to attract sponsors and fans, then I've no doubt Spagnolo would drop him in a heartbeat.

I don't believe that. They are best mates if anything Spagnola is the one keeping him in the job.
 

bartman

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You take the good with the bad. But if it looked like Osborne's continued employment by the club was going to hurt our ability to attract sponsors and fans, then I've no doubt Spagnolo would drop him in a heartbeat.
Yeah, I'm not so sure about the last bit either.

Anyone that's been on Boards knows the relationship between the Board and their chief staff member is vital to the good functioning of the organisation. We've all been concerned as fans that a previous CEO had too much power over that Board, and we voted accordingly. As fans maybe we should also be concerned if a Board seems to have too much power over a CEO - and they're no more powerful position than being a Board member/Chairman whose CEO owes you something personally.

I suspect the quest for personal power is as alive and well as it ever was... and we shouldn't blindly trust anyone, we should try and keep them honest.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Not everything. There's some people on this forum who have contacts on the inside and regularly keep us updated or give us hints about whats going on. I know a few things too via a couple of contacts but I cannot share. But not everything we know comes from the media.

As far as what we can discuss on these boards, all we have is what we see in the media. Anything else is irrelevent to public discussion, since it's neither public knowledge nor proveable.

I take any 'inside information' with a grain of salt, since everybody who shares this information has an agenda. We know this because they choose to share it here.

Press is that. Just press. Let's recall the feelgood stories we had last year in regards to Webb, Walker, Hicks and Whatuira wanting to make a fresh start.

But press is something in itself. Don't ever discount the power of public opinion.

Good press translates directly to money for the club, as bad press likewise translates to financial losses. In this, it doesn't matter whether it's true or not.

It happens to every club. No-one gives a s**t about Cronulla but they were in the papers week in and week out a couple of years ago after all their off field dramas. It's not a matter of how big an organisation you are. It's about finding a story.

Wrong. The volume of the stories matters. Especially the positive/neutral fluff pieces - things like Daniel Mortimer's new boots and Gary Ablett Jr (and his dad in a coaching role) being linked to the Eels.

You're right that every club gets in the papers, especially when they f**k up. But they don't all get the same amount of press; far from it. Especially the positive stuff.

Exactly. It's still not a good look though especially when you've quotes from staff members that don't really address the issue. Our club has been quiet this year which should be a good thing, but it's almost been too quiet.

I don't think we have been too quiet. We've had endless speculation about recruitment which is 100% positive regarding advertising value for the club, and we've beaten a couple of clubs to the signatures of high profile players they wanted to keep. This is a marketing coup of the highest order for the club, and with Osborne as the mouthpiece he has himself built up a fair public profile that has now made him a target.

Maybe, but being high profile can also turn sponsors off very quickly if one little thing goes wrong. Sponsors only like it if you get it in the news for the right reasons.

True, which is why I expect the club to make a big positive announcement soon, if only for the sake of doing so.

I don't believe that. They are best mates if anything Spagnola is the one keeping him in the job.

Yeah well I don't know either of them personally. But Spagnolo seems pretty ruthless, given his past behaviour.
 

Eels Dude

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As far as what we can discuss on these boards, all we have is what we see in the media. Anything else is irrelevent to public discussion, since it's neither public knowledge nor proveable.

I take any 'inside information' with a grain of salt, since everybody who shares this information has an agenda. We know this because they choose to share it here.

I don't really buy everything the media say nor should anyone. You take inside information with a grain of salt and rightfully so, but you should take what the media say with a grain of salt too as they're far less credible. I don't know who Stagger and Jodeci's sources are but they seem credible. I personally have no doubts about what I've been told for reasons I don't want to get into.

But press is something in itself. Don't ever discount the power of public opinion.

Good press translates directly to money for the club, as bad press likewise translates to financial losses. In this, it doesn't matter whether it's true or not.

Fair point. You cannot really predict how things will go down though with sponsors etc. This probably won't affect sponsorship. But if we have a few more similar stories this could be the catalyst.


Wrong. The volume of the stories matters. Especially the positive/neutral fluff pieces - things like Daniel Mortimer's new boots and Gary Ablett Jr (and his dad in a coaching role) being linked to the Eels.

You're right that every club gets in the papers, especially when they f**k up. But they don't all get the same amount of press; far from it. Especially the positive stuff.

True again. It's rare for clubs to get into the papers for the right reasons. unless it's a wonderful run to the grand final like we did in '09 and Thw Warriors this year, Roosters last year... It all depends on the hype at the time. If there's even a slight mishap at Manly next week the press will jump all over it because they're the f**ked up club at the moment. Just as we were in 2006 or 2007 when people were calling talkback radio because they saw Tim Smith drinking a beer at a pub


I don't think we have been too quiet. We've had endless speculation about recruitment which is 100% positive regarding advertising value for the club, and we've beaten a couple of clubs to the signatures of high profile players they wanted to keep. This is a marketing coup of the highest order for the club, and with Osborne as the mouthpiece he has himself built up a fair public profile that has now made him a target.

It's a good thing but fans require more especially members who want to feel part of the club as opposed to simply fans. It's a cacth-22 in a way. You want fans to feel part of the club but then leakages happen etc. When we had our run to the GF in '09 Osborne loved it, since then he's been very quiet. A good thing in one way, a bad thing in another.

Yeah well I don't know either of them personally. But Spagnolo seems pretty ruthless, given his past behaviour.

He certainly is. That can be a good thing as long as you do it the right way. I don't want to see our club fold in a few years time.
 

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That can be a good thing as long as you do it the right way. I don't want to see our club fold in a few years time.

We have had more wooden spoons than any other club in the comp. If we can live through that then I'm sure that the sky isn't falling in now.
 

Eels Dude

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We have had more wooden spoons than any other club in the comp. If we can live through that then I'm sure that the sky isn't falling in now.

Different eras Tony. The game is fully professional now and the NRL is a corporate business.
 

Poupou Escobar

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All we need to do is hang on until the new TV deal. Even Cronulla will be safe after that.

The game needs the clubs because if rugby league loses clubs it also loses fans. No matter how much sense it might make to cull the herd.
 

Eels Dude

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That's right. People whinge there are too many Sydney clubs bla bla bla and it's holding a national competition back. But if it weren't for the Sydney clubs we wouldn't even have a competition to begin with.
 

Maroubra Eel

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It was better when it was just Sydney clubs.

I couldn't care less about the other crappy areas outside Sydney. I wish we could piss them all off.
 

Maroubra Eel

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Tony can you explain something I was just thinking about?

You must be a good bloke, as you support the Eels. But on the other hand you can't be a good bloke because you are a Queenslander.

It's a bit of a conundrum.
 

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