Parramatta Eels Holden Cup & Junior Reps Thread Part III

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Will do mate, or at least figure out something equally effective on my end.

Just write the score on your hand, and stick your hand in front of the lens.

 

[half_back]

What happens is players turn 18 and are able to sign legally binding contracts. This means plenty of clubs don't bother with junior 'development' (i.e. poaching) until SG Ball. The fact they care more means their teams become more competitive between Matts and Ball, which means our Harold Matts graduates are now playing against stronger teams.

Pou is right, nearly all matts teams are made up of local juniors. Given they are at school there is little movement between districts. Given parramatta and penrith have the largest nurseries they will always be dominant and you can generally throw Newcastle into the mix as well some of those that don't make the grade here will filter into other teams but at this age generally you can keep all the ones you want. QLD schools finish at 17 added there are also a number of year young school kids in NSW as well as those who finish in year 10(16 yo). This allows the cattle trade to start in earnest after Matts. Players can be contracted to clubs from the year they turn 15 although it is rare outside the local district.

That's why ball sees a little bit of a power shift. It is seen further again for 20s with the influx of all school leavers, QLD, NZ and bush kids who may have been on "scholarships" or contracts until they finished school or who have come off contract with there "local" club and are targeted by other clubs.

 

[Chipmunk]

Pou is right, nearly all matts teams are made up of local juniors. Given they are at school there is little movement between districts. Given parramatta and penrith have the largest nurseries they will always be dominant and you can generally throw Newcastle into the mix as well some of those that don't make the grade here will filter into other teams but at this age generally you can keep all the ones you want. QLD schools finish at 17 added there are also a number of year young school kids in NSW as well as those who finish in year 10(16 yo). This allows the cattle trade to start in earnest after Matts. Players can be contracted to clubs from the year they turn 15 although it is rare outside the local district.

That's why ball sees a little bit of a power shift. It is seen further again for 20s with the influx of all school leavers, QLD, NZ and bush kids who may have been on "scholarships" or contracts until they finished school or who have come off contract with there "local" club and are targeted by other clubs.

Are we completely neglecting the recruitment of quality players in the 16-19 year age groups and allowing the clubs with poor juniors to get the better junior players?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

To our credit, our Harold Matts side has some quality recruits in it. The problem is they are all under 18 and not a jury in the land would allow us to lock one of these kids into a long term commitment. So when other clubs come scouting them they are all essentially free agents. We signed the (current) Warriors' NYC halfback Erin Clark a few years ago when he was 15 and the guy is a freak - he isn't 18 until September and he is starting in a strong under 20s side. Obviously we identified him and 'signed him up' but he wanted to stay in New Zealand for high school and how could we stop him? So he stays in the Warriors' system.

On a different note, I watched some of the Harold Matts and Wests were huge. Nice to see we were still far too good for them.

 

[half_back]

Are we completely neglecting the recruitment of quality players in the 16-19 year age groups and allowing the clubs with poor juniors to get the better junior players?

Chipmunk, you must have missed the last paragraph of my post.

That's why ball sees a little bit of a power shift. It is seen further again for 20s with the influx of all school leavers, QLD, NZ and bush kids who may have been on "scholarships" or contracts until they finished school or who have come off contract with there "local" club and are targeted by other clubs.

We have contracted a number of the kids we want at 15 although due to school commitments they stay in QLD/Country/NZ until they have finished. We bring them in every holidays for high performance camps to get as much training into them.

So to answer your question, No we don't neglect recruiting at that age group. Although with our large junior base and success at HM I'd say we recruit less than others with small junior areas. Then of course it comes down to projecting the path of development for those you recruit. Not many outstanding 14/15 year olds are outstanding 20 year olds

 

[hindy111]

Other than Tepai and Pauli most those guys I doubt make it Pou.

Penrith in the same time have cartwright-RCG-YEO-Jennings boys waqu blake-DWZ. All look to have decent NRL career.
After this weekend we could be sitting 2nd last in all three grades, and as much as there first grade is busted with injuries there under 20s and reserves are at the top of ladder.
I mean to me that's says they have better juniors and depth.
We have a new coach but hey a as club on the whole it ahs been a horrid start to the year.Id say worse of any team if compare all 3 grades. As much as we all like to rave on about scott and watmough they could end up as BUST signings.And BA could end up out on his bike in 2017. I thought we would be going better this year in all three grades. Its early and I wont judge till rn 15 and im still hopefull we turn it round and make finals.

Its effn sad that by rnd 10 each year we are already talking about th following year.It is pi$$n me off

 

[hindy111]

And sure we aren't paying overs anymore for juniors anymore -But instead it seems like we are paying overs for pensioners. If you think watmough and Scott are brilliant signings your a fool. They could be decent signings but high risk and paying big $$ for them.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Scott and Watmough are both current Origin players. They were both under contract and had contracts or offers for future years. All we've done is offer them an extra year on their existing deals, which won't hurt us with the new TV deal and the salary cap going up. Anyway they are short term signings (i.e. 2015-2016) which is what we need. With all our quality youth we are set for the long term.

 

[hindy111]

watmough signed for 4 yrs.How is that short term.Id never offer any player that.If over 30 - tha 2 yr deals. Smells of desperate.

 

[hindy111]

The salary cap going up means other teams will be able to spend more as well while we are stuck with a pair of old men taking up a huge chunk till 2018.So in 2019 we are free.

 

[hindy111]

And if we signed Wamough to lead why is mannah captain.More waste of money-Bog average soft muffin

 

[Poupou Escobar]

watmough signed for 4 yrs.How is that short term.Id never offer any player that.If over 30 - tha 2 yr deals. Smells of desperate.

It's short term because the later years are irrelevant until they arrive. Can you imagine what he would have cost if we'd only signed him for two years? The long contract means we got him cheaper.

We need Watmough for short term injection of experience, toughness and leadership. The price is keeping him a year or two longer than we wanted. If we can't field a competitive team in those later years then we can complain about the Watmough signing, but if we can field a strong side then it will mean our youngsters have come good and Watmough's influence helped. And his long contract didn't stop us keeping the players we wanted.

So we needed him straight away and we got him. Same with Scott. If having them hurts us in three years we can worry about it then. But in the short term they are great signings.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The salary cap going up means other teams will be able to spend more as well while we are stuck with a pair of old men taking up a huge chunk till 2018.So in 2019 we are free.

And it means the $800k-$1M for Watmough and Scott will probably be the price of a couple of average first graders by then.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

And if we signed Wamough to lead why is mannah captain.More waste of money-Bog average soft muffin

The captain isn't about leadership, which is why every team has a leadership group. The captain is just a spokesman. That's why guys like Mannah and Gower do all the interviews while Watmough, Peats and Lussick stay with the team turning them into tough merkins.

 

[hineyrulz]

Hindy is just pissed of the Duke and Penrith are going likes busted's.

 

[hindy111]

the one eyed muffin and his 100mtr+ a game
HONESTLY I don't mind having mannah.Would be a good bench player TBH

 

[hindy111]

Hindy is just pissed of the Duke and Penrith are going likes busted's.

They have legit resaons thou. Both halves second rower and lock out.Oh plus starting centres and a few bench forwards.

We lost a winger and a centre and a prop .We are calling injury crisis but its ot really a crisis it it boys?

When fully fit panthers are top 4-5 team along with roosters who have won the same amount of games as us after today.
Im confident we win today. As I said its just a few tweaks from a top 8 team out one. We just can not to the simple effn things right like a kick chase.Or giving away piggy back penalties.We are as good as any other team bar this.Teams aren't beating us-we are beating our self.

 

[Chipmunk]

Chipmunk, you must have missed the last paragraph of my post.

That's why ball sees a little bit of a power shift. It is seen further again for 20s with the influx of all school leavers, QLD, NZ and bush kids who may have been on "scholarships" or contracts until they finished school or who have come off contract with there "local" club and are targeted by other clubs.

We have contracted a number of the kids we want at 15 although due to school commitments they stay in QLD/Country/NZ until they have finished. We bring them in every holidays for high performance camps to get as much training into them.

So to answer your question, No we don't neglect recruiting at that age group. Although with our large junior base and success at HM I'd say we recruit less than others with small junior areas. Then of course it comes down to projecting the path of development for those you recruit. Not many outstanding 14/15 year olds are outstanding 20 year olds

But it's plainly obvious that most clubs, if not all, have done a better job at recruitment and retention of the right junior players than what we have. So we've obviously done, perhaps still doing, something wrong.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Our squad has plenty of players that came through our NYC team and earlier.

 

[hineyrulz]

They have legit resaons thou. Both halves second rower and lock out.Oh plus starting centres and a few bench forwards.

We lost a winger and a centre and a prop .We are calling injury crisis but its ot really a crisis it it boys?

When fully fit panthers are top 4-5 team along with roosters who have won the same amount of games as us after today.
Im confident we win today. As I said its just a few tweaks from a top 8 team out one. We just can not to the simple effn things right like a kick chase.Or giving away piggy back penalties.We are as good as any other team bar this.Teams aren't beating us-we are beating our self.

Blah blah blah!! Excuses excuses, they have been dreadful the last 5 weeks and were lucky to fall in again Manly. everyone tipped them to finish top 4 and a chance for the tittle we were tipped to finish bottom 4 after losing the best player in the game. The Duke is a dud :lol: