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Parramatta Eels Juniors

Delboy

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Some of the contracted players have been given the trials a miss, nothing more. In the Matts trials it is much the same, with minor injuries also seeing a few players on the sidelines
 

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There were over 20 Parra juniors trialling at the Balmain Tigers Matts trials on Wednesday. That is a week ahead of our trials, already some have been offered positions there, the raids continue as Manly are also continuing to offer contracts to our 15/16 year olds

I think we have lost at least 3 players who we wanted to contract to Balmain, they are using the line that it's so competitive at Parra we can offer you a guaranteed starting position

They also have a number of players who transferred into the Dundas Shamrocks this year, ex Parra junior rep trainers have moved to Balmain and along with Louis Rizk scour our ranks non stop
 

Obscene Assassin

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There were over 20 Parra juniors trialling at the Balmain Tigers Matts trials on Wednesday. That is a week ahead of our trials, already some have been offered positions there, the raids continue as Manly are also continuing to offer contracts to our 15/16 year olds

I think we have lost at least 3 players who we wanted to contract to Balmain, they are using the line that it's so competitive at Parra we can offer you a guaranteed starting position

They also have a number of players who transferred into the Dundas Shamrocks this year, ex Parra junior rep trainers have moved to Balmain and along with Louis Rizk scour our ranks non stop

That's a shame that we can't keep them but hopefully we're able to hold onto the best ones that would have made up the bulk of our top 17 in the Harold Matts anyway. I couldn't find any lists for the Matts squad but I did find a list for the SG ball trials. It had a couple of Eels players listed that I know of: Dallas King, Radjo Jankovic, Brayden Daly.

The first 2 I'm not too concerned over as I can't see them making our Ball squad but Daly I am a bit disappointed in. He was brought down from the NT and whilst he had some weight issues to cut out (he was something like 130kgs when he first came down) he apparently had some skill and was something we could work with. I also did see he was named in our SG ball trial lists.
 

Delboy

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What boys from Parra Matts or Ball that went and trialed at the Tigers.?

None that are contracted, but a lot from the Div 1 teams that were also asked to trial at Parra. About 10 from the Rouse Hill team, and boys from Wenty and Hills, not unusual as a few trial for rep teams each year, but the Tigers camp have been around all year at the U15 Div 1 games
 

Poupou Escobar

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I don't think it really matters. The NYC (and grades above) have a salary cap and you certainly can't keep every kid that comes through your junior rep teams. Especially when you're recruiting better players from New Zealand, Queensland and country NSW.
 
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I don't think it really matters. The NYC (and grades above) have a salary cap and you certainly can't keep every kid that comes through your junior rep teams. Especially when you're recruiting better players from New Zealand, Queensland and country NSW.

What a group of kids they have signed from outside their catchment area Nz & Country Nsw. The kids they have brought in are quality which only complements what Parra have already developed.

Has anyone herd of a new contract system being brought in. Rookie contracts
for the top junior players.?
 

Obscene Assassin

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What a group of kids they have signed from outside their catchment area Nz & Country Nsw. The kids they have brought in are quality which only complements what Parra have already developed.

Has anyone herd of a new contract system being brought in. Rookie contracts
for the top junior players.?

Yep it seems our way of judging exterior talent as well as interior talent has changed our junior system. We're also not focused on winning junior premierships, although they are nice to win. Our focus has changed from dominating juniors with size and power to picking kids who have the skill set for first grade.

Yeah apparently there's some unrest between the clubs, some are abiding by the system that is meant to be coming in and other teams still using the older system and offering kids exorbitant amounts of money.
 

Delboy

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The difference in recent times is that previously the Eels held their trials generally first and the players that were not selected then went and trialled at other clubs. However, the Tigers have come to the party first and with the number of rep trainers they have poached from our system have used that timing to approach these players before their own junior league trials wih offers of contracts .

the competition inside our junior league is tough, but a few of these trialists were marked as Matts potential , I guess we can say that the Tigers and others have done their job, but it is frustrating when the junior league is used to give them real competition, when the Balmain league has so few teams

Will be interesting to see if any of the Parra juniors that stood out at Leichardt last week at are at Guildford trialling on Wednesday evening
 
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Poupou Escobar

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Why should the Tigers be disadvantaged by how few teams they have? It's not their fault no kids live in their district. It won't be long before families with kids can't afford to live in Parramatta either. Most of the footy type families have already moved out Penrith way. Likewise, why should kids living in the Parramatta district have to wait around for an offer from the Eels? The club doesn't own them.

We win Harold Matthews every second year. I think it's fair to say it doesn't confer much if any advantage.
 

Delboy

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Pou, it's a wonder that anyone posts on here, as soon as something goes up, here you come with a contrary opinion

You live in Bleak City, and a lot of us are involved in junior footy here and have more than a passing interest, I just put up a few info pieces for people like Forty, Obscene and RLFan

Just confine yourself to LBAs and other such niceties and leave the junior stuff alone, it's irritating
 

Poupou Escobar

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I appreciate your first hand info, and I'm interested in junior development too. I just think it should be done centrally via a dedicated body, rather than by NRL clubs whose first motivation is to poach talent and win footy games. I don't think it's helpful to think of children as being the property of one or another professional sporting organisation. The junior clubs should be directly funded and overseen by a branch of the NRL. And the clubs should f**k off and leave the kids alone until they're 18.
 

Gronk

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I appreciate your first hand info, and I'm interested in junior development too. I just think it should be done centrally via a dedicated body, rather than by NRL clubs whose first motivation is to poach talent and win footy games. I don't think it's helpful to think of children as being the property of one or another professional sporting organisation. The junior clubs should be directly funded and overseen by a branch of the NRL. And the clubs should f**k off and leave the kids alone until they're 18.

Rugby league set to introduce ban on signing under 18s

  • The Australian
  • 12:00AM September 7, 2016
The ARL Commission could be only weeks away from rubberstamping one of the most significant changes in the code’s history — a ban on clubs contracting players until the year they turn 18.

NRL head of football Brian Canavan is expected to provide his recommendations on the way forward for the game to a commission meeting later this month, the first step in what shapes as a revolutionary overhaul of the way clubs and player agents operate.

Chief among those recommendations is a game-wide ban on the signing of players until the year they turn 18, a move which is expected to save clubs millions of dollars and help combat the worsening mental health issues brought on by the huge expectations placed on the game’s best teenagers.

The move, first revealed in The Australian more than a year ago, was the brainchild of the NRL’s former head of strategy, Shane Richardson, who completed a wholesale review of the game when he was employed by Rugby League Central.

As it stands, clubs can begin contracting players at the age of 15 while agents are basically given free rein. The changes are expected to place tighter restrictions on both clubs and player managers — Richardson had proposed a ban on agents signing talent until the year they turn 17.

It is understood some clubs have already begun planning for the future by focusing their recruitment efforts on teenagers who have already reached the age of 18 or will do so when the Canavan’s recommendations are brought into effect from 2018.

Club chief executives were briefed on the plans at a meeting in Sydney last week.

As well as the ban on signing teenagers, Canavan is also expected to recommend the adoption of Richardson’s plan to end the national under-20s competition at the end of next season and make reserve grade a state-based competition, which in turn would mean NRL clubs would have responsibility for only one salary cap made up of squads of 30 players, with an additional batch of rookie contracts, and a ceiling on how much those rookies can be paid.

The changes are expected save the clubs millions off their bottom lines by eliminating the cost of the under-20s and reducing the number of players they have contracted outside their top tier.

Like reserve grade, the under-20s competition would revert to competitions run by the Queensland and NSW Rugby Leagues. The changes have been earmarked for 2018, when the new broadcasting deal comes into effect and millions flow into the game.

It shapes as a defining year for the game, with the salary cap set to skyrocket and clubs expected to edge towards profitability. Club grants could be as high as $13 million each per season, although the finer details of the new licensing agreements are yet to be finalised.

Those talks between the commission and club chairmen are ongoing, as are talks between the players union and the NRL aimed at resolving the salary cap and other issues impacting players.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...s/news-story/4296abff698cb938e909685bdcc7423d
 
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WHAT A GOOD READ.! FROM THE CUMBERLAND POST
NYC - SG.BALL - HAROLD MATTS -
PLAYERS TO WATCH

Holden Cup
The bitter memory of our week 1 finals capitulation to the Tigers may be fresh but the Eels, under rookie coach Luke Burt, compiled what should ultimately be considered a successful season in 2016. Between injury and Brad Arthur pulling rank Burt lost his talismanic fullback Bevan French for essentially the entire season while Alex Twal also spent considerable time in the ISP. Despite these personnel losses the Eels spent the majority of the year in the Top 4 before slipping to 7th at the conclusion of Round 26 after a late run of losses. 2017 is a difficult season to get a feel for this far out with the Eels fielding a largely experienced spine (Dargan, Doolan, Tonise) but Burt will be relying on promotions and recruitment to fill out quite a few spots through the forward pack and back line.


Tuimavave Afualo (Centre, Half)
Built like the proverbial brick shit house, Tuimavave 'Tui' Afualo is one of the most fascinating prospects coming through the ranks at Parramatta. An almost contradictory blend of ruthless power and deft touch form the hallmarks of Afualo's game and are the elements that enable him to dominate at centre and also cover the halves in a pinch. Afualo completed what can only be described as a stellar season in 2016 after earning NSW Under 18s and Australian Schoolboy honours in addition to locking down a starting position in the Holden Cup at the tender age of 17. The bullocking centre had little trouble adapting his attacking game to the 20s but struggled for consistency in defence at times. He enjoyed quite the reputation as a defensive enforcer in the District Representatives so with a full pre-season to prepare for the Holden Cup in 2017, hopefully he can find the same level of play in that aspect of his game in the 20s.


Dane Aukafolau (Centre)
Billed at 193cm and 95kg by the club, Dane Aukafolau is an intriguing, albeit raw, prospect in the outside backs. Aukafolau enjoyed a productive campaign in 2016, notching up 13 tries, 11 line-breaks and an average of 135 running metres per game from 22 starts but it was punctuated with the defensive lapses and fade-outs you tend to expect from big outside backs in the Holden Cup. The upside to Aukafolau does make for a tantalising thought though and he is penciled in to participate in full-time pre-season training with the NRL squad. If all goes well and Aukafolau finds greater consistency through the punishing pre-season program then he is set for a breakout year in 2017.



Troy Dargan (Half)
2016 was an odd year for Dargan. A brilliant indiviudal start to the season from the young half catapulted the Eels into the Top 4 and would eventually lead to him picking up Holden Cup Team of the Year honours. The statistics will show that he finished the year leading near or at the very top of line-break assists and try-assists and yet I can't help but feel disappointed as his form dipped considerably through the home stretch, which in turn coincided with the Eels slumping from 2nd on the ladder to 7th before getting toweled up by the Wests Tigers in the first round of the finals. 2017 will serve as a cross-road year for Dargan and his tenure at Parramatta. Serious technical issues in defence (in particular a bad habit of not attacking a ball runner from in front) and an over-zealous compulsion to overplay his hand in attack need to be addressed. In spite of all this, Troy Dargan has all the raw attributes to be a great half. He can run, kick and pass with the best that the Holden Cup has to offer but he what he now needs is the mental fortitude and grit to be a successful product in Brad Arthur's NRL system.



Beni Valu (Lock)
A rangy backrower that possesses the athletic length that coaches are increasingly enarmoured with in the modern game, Benny Valu is one of the young players that can make an impact in the Holden Cup in 2017. Valu was a core member was our 2016 SG Ball squad and excelled in both starting and bench roles. An honest and capable worker in defence, Valu's true value to the team comes in his deceptive footwork before contact and his tireless support play up the middle.

Valu is a tricky one to gauge as far as the depth charts go for the Eels given there is considerable turnover in our forward pack heading into 2017. I am tentatively drafting him onto our bench and tipping him to come good as the season progresses on and he finds his feet.



SG Ball
2017 will see two dominant Harold Matthews rosters (2015 Grand Finalists, 2016 National Champions) come together for the blue & gold in the 18s age group. This certainly makes for a tantalising proposition for any fan of the District Representative programs but there is one question mark hanging over the 2017 campaign - who will be coaching this talented group? Nathan Cayless was at the helm in 2016 but after ISP coach Joey Grima dealt with personal issues, Cayless was promoted mid-season to cover the unexpected vacancy. Regardless of how this plays out, look for a number of these kids to filter through into the Holden Cup at the conclusion of the SG Ball.



Josh Curran (Lock, Edge Backrow)
Curran is a prototypical Brad Arthur forward. Tough as nails in defence, dual-flexibility across the middle and edge and a productive factor with the ball in hand. If my description comes across as a bit too brief and terse it is because Curran really fits the mould of an older-school forward packaged into a modern day playing physique. Given that he has a year of eligibility left in the SG Ball I expect him to turn out for that campaign before pushing up into the Holden Cup later in the season.



William Kei (Centre)
Kei was a try scoring phenom in 2016 as he posted an incredible 20 tries in the shortened District Representatives format (9 regulation season rounds). Key (pardon the pun) to his try-scoring ways was his balanced running style and wiry strength that saw him break both ankles and tackles and made him a nightmare to defend in the redzone. As defences tighten up in the SG Ball and beyond I expect Kei's try-scoring feats to normalise somewhat but he is undoubtedly an extremely dangerous outside back in attack - the litmus test for him will be how he handles his duties in defence.



Kyle Schneider (Dummy Half, Lock, Half)
Schneider just pips Afualo as my favourite junior at the Eels but for very different reasons. Whereas Tui blends wildness and subtlety in a ball-of-muscle package, Schneider is the epitome of a professional player - in spite of his relative youth. Primarily a hooker, Schneider has proven to be equally effective at lock and in the halves through 2016. Possessing outstanding levels of fitness and a cerebral feel for the game, the ubiquitous talent is adept at picking apart team around the middle with short balls and incisive darts while also leading his team in defensive line speed. Schneider is my tip to start at hooker in the SG Ball and I don't expect him to give it up anytime soon.



John Paul Nohra (Fullback)
Nohra was a nightmare for opposition teams in the Harold Matthews in 2016. Equally disruptive in both kick returns and chiming in at the end of a backline move, Nohra used his superior athleticism and skills to terrorise teams through all three channels of the field. Despite his athletic advantages, which often lead to a player taking shortcuts, Nohra was extremely diligent in his custodial role for the Eels. He proved to be quite willing to distribute the ball to better positioned outside men rather than force the run himself and was a constant presence in support of his runners. All of this bodes well for the young talent as he looks to progress to the SG Ball and beyond but he will be locked into a fierce tussle for the #1 next year with incumbent fullback John Fonua and at this stage it is too close to call.



Stefano Utoikamanu (Prop)
Stefano Utoikamanu (younger brother of SG Ball and NYC player, Filia Utoikamanu) is potentially the most physically impressive specimen in our system in some considerable time. The biggest issue for the young wrecking ball is staying healthy after his campaign in 2016 was derailed by a string of injuries - most notably a dislocated shoulder. Stefano bucks the trend of getting by purely on his size and athleticism in the junior grades and is a hard worker on the training paddock, which is exactly why I am excited by his potential. He is due for a run of good luck and if he gets it look for him to become an integral weapon off the bench for our SG Ball team.



Harold Matthews
After sweeping through the season undefeated en route to the National Championship the Eels now start from scratch in 2017. There has been some positive buzz about our Under 14s Talent Squads in recent times so it will be interesting to see how the Eels will shape up in this grade next year.



Tyler Field (Half)
There is a massive amount of turnover in our triumphant 2016 Harold Matthews squad with nearly all of the core players graduating into the SG Ball in 2017. As such, the return of Tyler Field and the experience he will bring to a young squad will be of utmost importance to our long-term success in 2017. Field carved out a niche in our National Championship winning squad as a running half and is tipped to bloom into a well-rounded prospect in 2017 by better judges of talent than me.

 

eels81236

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Yeah poo. Not watching the kids precludes you from thinking logically about the system they are developed under.

I know because I overheard it in my driveway.
 

Delboy

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Yeah poo. Not watching the kids precludes you from thinking logically about the system they are developed under.

I know because I overheard it in my driveway.


Eels , if you want to take childish and narky potshots at me, happy to discuss it at any home game or junior reps

Will be a pleasure as I can assure you , I am not a keyboard warrior, wouldn't normally respond but I find it a little tiring and child like.
 

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