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Parramatta Stadium Rebuild and other stuff

emjaycee

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Yep.
That's my fascination with what is happening in Parramatta as well.
And that only. I actually believe that Parramatta is finally evolving into a future thriving functional city in it's own right, as opposed to being the shitty outer suburban shithole that it has been for........ever.
It is finally taking on a personality of its own, developing an identity one might say.
This city (Sydney) is growing at a rate never seen before, and unless precincts like Parramatta keep up, it will be left behind.
Areas like Olympic Park, St Leonards, Macquarie Park, Norwest etc.... are all growing at phenomenal rates.
At least Parramatta and the west is having the infrastructure spending thrown at it that it finally deserves, like the future City-Parramatta Metro, Westmead - Carlingford Light Rail, M4 upgrade, West Connex, North Connex, the new Western Sydney AP, and of course, a new stadium. Billions of $ are finally being poured into an area that has been ignored for so long now. And it's the area I grew up in and love so much so of course I'm going to be passionate about development and seeing the area grow and thrive.
I feel no sympathy for hell holes like City Extra who cried poor because they couldn't keep up with a changing demographic and cried wolf and ran off as a failure, blaming everyone else bar their own lack of foresight.
Some might not like to pay for Neil Perry's or Jamie Oliver's food, or may think it is overrated, but restauranteurs like them are flooding Parramatta with alternative cuisine options. Clearly, they can see the potential and that there is a market out here for them. Why would they bother otherwise?

There is so much more that I haven't mentioned, like the huge North Parramatta precinct, or even, our very own Parramatta Leagues Club development including shopping precinct, restaurants and a multi storey hotel, right next to the Leagues Club and new stadium.
It's all more exciting than any of Twiz's announcements have ever been.

Mate, I am a Parramatta resident through and through.
Lived the most part of my 49 years in and around the area. Greystanes (twice), Merrylands, Northmead, West Merrylands, Guildford, Wentworthville, Old Toongabbie, Stanhope, North Parramatta (twice) and now Winston Hills.

I remember when Murray Bros was still on the corner of Church and Macquarie Sts. The Astra on Macquarie and Marsden Sts, Westfield Tavern, shopping trolley races on Australia Day under the Barry Wilde bridge, and a whole lot more. Even bought my first car in Auto Alley.

I love the fact we are finally getting a city that will throw off the shackles of being an outlier of "the city" (Sydney) and have it's own identity.
 

Gronk

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That's all well and good to be pro-development BUT that does not mean that dozens of glass towers is what Parramatta needs. I think that the aggressive posts in this thread aimed towards those who are not as enthusiastic about the manner which Parramatta is growing skywards is a little close minded and at times is agenda driven on a personal level.

A clear thinking person would always acknowledge that there are valid arguments both for and against.

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Renowned architect Jan Gehl is in the against camp.

Commenting on what Portland was undergoing he said "I would say that anybody living over the fifth floor ought generally to be referring to the airspace authorities. You're not part of the earth anymore, because you can't see what's going on on the ground and the people on the ground can't see where you are," he warns. As the Portland Comprehensive Plan update is underway, residents are looking on with alarm as the city is proposing to allow building heights up to 40 stories in such questionable places like historic neighbourhoods and bridgeheads all in the name of density.

The high-rise is not the only answer to density. In fact, it may be a very unsuitable solution that undermines the character, livability, social fabric and even the public health of a city.

Below are 7 reasons why high-rises kill livability:

1. High-rises separate people from the street

According to Gehl, a city is best viewed at eye-level. Sure the views from a high-rise can be stunning, but you aren't able to see people in a way that allows for connection. Because it's not as easy as walking out your front door, people who live on the high floors of a high-rise are less likely to leave their houses. This separates people from the outdoors, the city and from other people. "What high-rise does is separate large numbers of people from the street, so we end up with a city that is detached from street life, we end up with a city that is based on enclaves and gated communities," says urban planning expert Michael Buxton.

And Gehl maintains that "meaningful contact with ground level events is possible only from the first few floors in a multi-story building. Between the third and forth floor, a marked decrease in the ability to have contact with the ground level can be observed. Another threshold exists between the fifth and sixth floors. Anything and anyone above the fifth floor is definitely out of touch with ground level events."

2. High-rise scale is not the human scale

High-rises are simply so tall that they make no visual sense to a pedestrian at eye-level. You can't even see the whole building unless you're in another high-rise. You become lost and engulfed in glass and steel canyons which can be isolating and dehumanizing.

The Preservation Institute tells us that when you walk through a traditional urban neighbourhood, with buildings five or six stories high, you can see the faces of people looking out of their windows, and you can see personalizing details such as flowerpots in windows. When you walk through a high-rise neighbourhood, you cannot see this sort of thing in most of the building's facade. In other words, you lose sight of the human-scale in high-rise neighbourhoods.

3. High-rises radically reduce chance encounters and propinquity

Because high-rises tend to separate people from the street and each other, they greatly reduce the number of chance encounters that happen, which are crucial to the liveliness of a city and to creating social capital. And because people are cooped up in tall buildings, they are less likely to experience propinquity, a concept introduced to me by architect and urban designer, Kevin Kellogg.

Propinquity is "one of the main factors leading to interpersonal attraction. It refers to the physical or psychological proximity between people. Propinquity can mean physical proximity, a kinship between people, or a similarity in nature between things," according to Wikipedia. Propinquity happens in public spaces – on the street, in parks, public transportation and city squares. High-rises diminish people's participation in public spaces and therefore diminish propinquity.

Living in a high-rise creates a very finite and encapsulated world in and of itself. The high-rise becomes your world, especially those which include a restaurant, market, gym and other amenities. You never have to go outside or encounter other people. Plus, this phenomenon creates the opposite effect of public spaces. It ensures that people mostly interface with others of the same socioeconomic strata. High-rises literally create silos, both physical, social and psychological.
 

Gronk

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4. High-rises are vertical sprawl

How could high-rises possibly be sprawl as they take up so little actual land? Sprawl is when something is built inefficiently and takes up too much space. With high-rises, they take up too much vertical space for something (in this case dense housing) that could be achieved with much less height.

Think of the South Waterfront in Portland, a sea of speculative high-rises that largely remain empty. Not unlike suburban sprawl that promotes isolation and is often devoid of people on the streets, high-rises offer up the same problems, but just from a vertical perspective. Plus, not unlike the vast swaths of suburban tract homes that are built during an economic bubble that often end up empty, high-rise bubbles can be just as unrealistic.

5. High-rises=gentrification and inequality; Low/Mid-rises=resiliency and affordability

According to Suzanne H. Crowhurst Lennard, co-founder and director of the Making Cities Livable International Council, "the construction industry is a powerful engine for fueling economic development. Tall buildings offer increased profits for developers. However, the higher a building rises, the more expensive is the construction. Thus, the tallest buildings tend to be luxury units, often for global investors. Tall buildings inflate the price of adjacent land, thus making the protection of historic buildings and affordable housing less achievable. In this way, they increase inequality."

On the other hand, says Making Cities Livable, "small footprint shops and apartments in a fine textured urban fabric yield smaller profits, spread out among many individuals and businesses in the community. Over centuries, this human scale urban fabric has proved to be adaptable to changing political and economic times, making the community resilient, and durable. The City of Paris, with buildings no taller than 100', supports continuous retail along the street, making every neighborhood walkable."

6. Are High Rises Even Green?

Contrary to public opinion, which thinks high-rises must be sustainable because they allow for so much density, Patrick Condon of the University of British Columbia says that high-rise buildings are not green at all. He says, "high-rise buildings are subject to the effects of too much sun and too much wind on their all-glass skins. And all-glass skins are, despite many improvements to the technology, inherently inefficient. Glass is simply not very good at keeping excessive heat out, or desirable heat in. Our high-rises, according to BC Hydro (the province of British Columbia's main electric utility) data, use almost twice as much energy per square metre as mid-rise structures."

Moreover, Condon says that high-rise buildings are less adaptable than mid-rise structures, and therefore are inherently less sustainable. Furthermore, he says, high-rise buildings are built largely of steel and concrete and are less sustainable than low rise and mid-rise buildings built largely of wood; steel and concrete produce a lot of GHG. Wood traps it. Concrete is 10 times more GHG-intensive than wood.

7. High Rises are not good for your health

This assertion may sound laughable to some, but the effects of the high-rise on mental health have been researched and documented. Psychologist Daniel Cappon writes in the Canadian Journal of Public Health that high-rises keep children and the elderly from getting the exercise the extra effort it takes to get outside encourages them to stay at home and flip on the TV. High-rises, he says, also deprive people and especially children of "neighborhood peers and activities." And he believes that the level of alienation and isolation, things that have been proven to negatively impact health and even shorten people's lives, increase with the height of the building.

In conclusion, I'll quote Cappon at length:

"What is there to say? We must have the incontrovertible evidence and the mechanism whereby the high-rise leads to the low fall of urban humanity. Meanwhile, we must not go on blindly building these vertical coffins for the premature death of our civilization.

What shall we do instead while we are wanting to learn the ultimate facts? We can satisfy the economy needs for high density per land acre, which of itself is not likely to produce ill health, while restricting heigh and redistributing spaces in terraced, human-scale fashion, supporting social confluence and relationships or, at least, not impeding the nurturing of precious human resources."

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emjaycee

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@Gronk A good read that brings up some very valid points.

I think (and am hopeful) that there is a level of balance being applied in the case of Parramatta's development plans.
Not all of the high rises being developed are for residential purposes (take Parramatta Square as an example) and not all of the proposed development is planned to be high rise (take Nth Parramatta Precinct as an example).

Hopefully we get a successful combination of commercial and residential, high-rise and low-rise, parks and community areas, cultural and sporting facilities, private and public enterprises, modern and retained/heritage building types and in 2025 we have a modern, liveable city, that supports employment, provides health and well being facilities, respects our heritage and the role the district played in the development of this country and is something us long-term "westies" can be proud of.
 

phantom eel

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I think that the aggressive posts in this thread aimed towards those who are not as enthusiastic about the manner which Parramatta is growing skywards is a little close minded and at times is agenda driven on a personal level.
You can say that again!

In fact, I will...
I think that the aggressive posts in this thread aimed towards those who are not as enthusiastic about the manner which Parramatta is growing skywards is a little close minded and at times is agenda driven on a personal level.
 

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/pr...e/news-story/247b6454514519447eaea503422c6a7a

Project Sydney: Parramatta pushing into big leagues with new $110 million hotel and leisure centre
EXCLUSIVE JENNIFER SEXTON, The Daily Telegraph
June 20, 2017 12:00am
PARRAMATTA Leagues Club has emerged from the wreck of the Eels’ salary-cap scandal past with an ambitious plan to capitalise on Western Sydney’s proud sporting pedigree.

It is appealing to the state government for a planned $110-million hotel and leisure centre development to be considered a project of state significance.

The 200-room hotel and luxury leisure centre would rise 15 storeys from the existing leagues club carpark, cashing in on tourism opportunities from the adjacent under-construction $300-million Western Sydney Stadium.

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media_cameraParramatta Leagues Club CEO Bevan Paul and Parramatta Eels captain Tim Mannah on the car park building site.
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media_cameraAn artist’s impression of what the finished car park will look like at Parramatta Leagues Club.
“It’s going to be huge — not just for the club, but for the city,” Parramatta Eels captain Tim Mannah said. “It’s really going to do a lot for the community.”

He said the redevelopment was an important marker on the path to a brighter future after the Eels’ payments scandal, which cost the club $2.5 million in fines and legal costs last year.

“Going through that last year we realised how important that support was from the leagues club. It’s a breath of fresh air this year,” he said.

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media_cameraThe Parramatta skyline is constantly changing and the Leagues Club hopes a 15-storey development will have an even more dramatic impact. Picture: Supplied
Mannah became a father for the first time three months ago with the birth of daughter Capri Rose and is considering a career in construction post football.

“Having a baby makes you realise you want to be as set up as possible for life after football,” the front-rower said.

Leagues club chief executive Bevan Paul said the project should be considered of state significance as it would inject life into the precinct.

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media_cameraThe Leagues Club’s dream of a 200-room hotel and luxury leisure centre would inject life into the precinct. Supplied
“We are not Barangaroo, but we are hoping to be Parramatta’s version of Barangaroo,” he said.

Projects of state significance must be worth a minimum of $100 million and planning approvals are determined by the state government, rather than local councils.

“For 330 days of the year the stadium will be empty. That’s why this development is so important, because it makes this area a tourism and sport precinct,” Mr Paul said.

Current zoning on the carpark site allows for a hotel whereas the club’s previous earmarked site would have required rezoning prior to approval.

“If you are travelling from regional NSW as a family or supporter, you can stay right there. It’s all part of that anticipation and build-up," Glenn Scott, principal architect of design practice Hassell, said.

Should the club receive planning approval, the hotel and leisure centre is forecast to open in 2019, the same year as the stadium.

The leisure centre, including 25m pool, would occupy the first four or five floors, and the 10-storey hotel would sit on top.
 

Suitman

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The 4th picture is far removed from what it would have looked like just 24 months ago.
A 55 storey apartment tower, a 36 storey apartment tower and...........no Pirtek stadium.
 

phantom eel

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Only 15 stories high? The new leagues club may well end up letting the booming future Parramatta economy down...!
 
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phantom eel

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And does Pirtek hold the namng rights to the new Stadium? Or have we been brainwashed by the previous corporate sponsorship?
 

Suitman

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I will continue to post items and related articles that are relevant to the future development of Parramatta as a growing and thriving city and the flow on benefits it might have to the success of our new stadium.
The latest article is a positive development for the future of our club which will also be a benefit to the new stadium.
 
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