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Parramatta Stadium Rebuild and other stuff

Suitman

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I find it interesting that only a small section of concrete footing has been laid - yet the steel work has already gone up on that section. No more footings are completed so it will be while before any more steel goes up - if that makes sense. I would have thought that the concrete pouring process would be well ahead of the steelwork.

Good question.
I remember seeing a news item approximately May/June this year about the steel fabrication company having already gone into production of the steel frame. I'd suggest that a lot of steel is ready to go as soon as certain concrete slab/foundations are poured and appropriate curing time has been reached, ready for the loadings.
I'm thinking from the above picture that the Eastern side will be the next section to see steel going up. It won't take them long to pour concrete for the remainder of that side (a month or two) and then they will be able to link up that side with the south end that has already been erected.
Bear in mind, the steel that has already been erected is only about half of the south end.
The western stand is a full concrete construction so no steel will be erected there until which time they have built it to the roof stage.
Also, some parts will get built late as access is needed to the field for large machinery and cranes for as long as possible.
I've also heard that Some of the roof structure is planned to start to be installed as early as February 2018, just 3 months away.
They've had a great run with the weather. The place would be a mud bath if we'd had a wet spell. Long may it continue. Touch wood.
 

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Stadium bill to soar above $2b following cabinet approval


Two of Sydney's major sports stadiums will be demolished and rebuilt at a cost of $2 billion after state cabinet signed off on an expensive conclusion to the long-running saga on Thursday.

However, the $2 billion price tag to rebuild both Allianz Stadium at Moore Park and ANZ Stadium at Sydney Olympic Park does not include the cost of rebuilding Parramatta Stadium.

Allianz will be rebuilt with a capacity of 45,000 people and ANZ with a capacity around 80,000.

This will allow the NRL to continue holding matches, including the grand final, at ANZ while Allianz is unavailable.

Fairfax Media has previously revealed the revival of the plan to build a new stadium at Moore Park to replace Allianz.

The decision on Thursday is a reversal of one announced by Mr Baird and Sports Minister Stuart Ayres last year, and follows bruising clashes among Sydney's sporting and political elite.

In September 2015, Mr Baird said his government would spend $1.6 billion partly gained from the privatisation of electricity assets on upgraded stadiums in Sydney.

That plan included a new stadium at Parramatta by 2019, construction of which is already under way.

The plan was then to build a new stadium to replace the 30-year-old Allianz Stadium at Moore Park, and to upgrade the former Olympic stadium known as ANZ at Olympic Park.

But the proposal to prioritise another stadium at Moore Park faced strong resistance from sporting organisations. Sydney's NRL clubs preferred the spending at Olympic Park, closer to the geographic heart of Sydney.

Also, the tenants at Allianz Stadium – Sydney FC, the Roosters, and the Waratahs – rebelled against the idea of a new stadium, in part because they would be displaced for years while it was built.

In response, Mr Baird took control of stadium planning in what was then a humiliating defeat for Mr Ayres, who had championed the idea of a new stadium at Moore Park. Under the plans Mr Baird announced in April, 2016, the priority would be ANZ Stadium, and there would be only minimal funds available for an upgrade of Allianz Stadium.

The decision on Thursday represents a triumphant reversal of fortunes for Mr Ayres and the powerful Sydney Cricket & Sports Ground Trust, with whom he is close. Trustees include talkback radio's Alan Jones, business figure Tony Shepherd, and former premier Barry O'Farrell.

By increasing the total spending on stadiums from $1.6 billion to around $2.3 billion, the government has in effect resolved the conflict between Allianz and ANZ Stadiums by finding money for them both.

But it has done so at some political risk. NSW Labor leader Luke Foley has said he would not spend money on Allianz Stadium in Sydney's east.

On Thursday Mr Foley criticised the decision and argued the total stadiums bill is $2.5 billion when $200 million the government spent on buying back ANZ stadium is taken into account.

Mr Foley said Allianz "won't host grand finals, State of Origins, Bledisloe Cups or the biggest Socceroo qualifiers. Why are we doing this?"

"The government of the state is going to prioritise spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a white elephant stadium in the eastern suburbs of Sydney that won't host the biggest games," he said.

"It'll be full once, possibly twice, a year. And Labor says that is a massive waste of taxpayers' money. The priority for investment has to be our schools and hospitals."
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/stadium-b...llowing-cabinet-approval-20171123-gzrbjj.html
 

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I'm fine with the expenditure on those two stadiums, but I'm sure it could be done cheaper. Allianz really doesn't need to be any classier or bigger than the new Parramatta Stadium, so why is it costing twice as much? The power brokers at the SCG Trust perhaps??
The real dollars should be put into ANZ, giving this city a truly internationally decent rectangular stadium.
 

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I'm fine with the expenditure on those two stadiums, but I'm sure it could be done cheaper. Allianz really doesn't need to be any classier or bigger than the new Parramatta Stadium, so why is it costing twice as much? The power brokers at the SCG Trust perhaps??
The real dollars should be put into ANZ, giving this city a truly internationally decent rectangular stadium.
Why is Alliance costing twice that of Parra ?

Postcode inflation. Builders double the price as soon as they see its in the east.

Amirite ? :)
 
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phantom eel

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Yes you’re right but I didn’t chose the definition. Was that land not developed by developers?
I made the original post about developers to which you are responding.

The dwellings where I now live were built by individual land owner/occupiers on lots of subdivided unimproved land they had purchased from receipients of land. Council was responsible for the roads, utilities etc.

So not a "developer" involved imo - hence my questioning of your assertion that I should thank "developers" for not being homeless. Lol, are we done now?
 

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I'm fine with the expenditure on those two stadiums, but I'm sure it could be done cheaper. Allianz really doesn't need to be any classier or bigger than the new Parramatta Stadium, so why is it costing twice as much? The power brokers at the SCG Trust perhaps??
The real dollars should be put into ANZ, giving this city a truly internationally decent rectangular stadium.

Its being built by NSW public works so that means it will cost twice as much as private enterprise could build it for

surprised it didn't cost that much for Parra Stadium
 

Suitman

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Its being built by NSW public works so that means it will cost twice as much as private enterprise could build it for

surprised it didn't cost that much for Parra Stadium

Parramatta Stadium is a cheap build. Just look at the design and how quickly it's going up.
 

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I made the original post about developers to which you are responding.

The dwellings where I now live were built by individual land owner/occupiers on lots of subdivided unimproved land they had purchased from receipients of land. Council was responsible for the roads, utilities etc.

So not a "developer" involved imo - hence my questioning of your assertion that I should thank "developers" for not being homeless. Lol, are we done now?
Did not developers subdivide the land? Why do you have to be so facetious with your lol are we done now? Aren’t we just having a friendly conversation?

Also I never suggested you should thank the developers at all. Tell them to get f*cked for all I care. My assertation is that developers have created som useful things regardless of their motives.
 

phantom eel

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No, developers did not subdivide the land in question. We're not talking about a (modern) new estate, we're talking about a quite old region, which evolved from government land grants made 100-150 years ago. The grantee (consider them an investor I guess?) subdivided the undeveloped land and then sold lots to individual owner/occupiers, around 100 years ago as far as I can tell. No "developer" involved.

You assertion that developers have created some useful things is far from your original statement that "without them at best you’d be sleeping in a cave tonight". I think our friendly conversation is done now, and thanks I will continue to tell (modern) developers to f**k off, because I maintain their motives are questionable (and the outcomes generally poor).[/QUOTE]
 

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No, developers did not subdivide the land in question. We're not talking about a (modern) new estate, we're talking about a quite old region, which evolved from government land grants made 100-150 years ago. The grantee (consider them an investor I guess?) subdivided the undeveloped land and then sold lots to individual owner/occupiers, around 100 years ago as far as I can tell. No "developer" involved.

You assertion that developers have created some useful things is far from your original statement that "without them at best you’d be sleeping in a cave tonight". I think our friendly conversation is done now, and thanks I will continue to tell (modern) developers to f**k off, because I maintain their motives are questionable (and the outcomes generally poor).
Now your making assumptions on my opinions and you are not making sense. You are making it hard to have a nice conversation here. I really think you should just relax a little and not take it so seriously, it’s just an Internet forum. Take a break and hopefully you can come back nice and refreshed and contribute in a more relaxed manner
 

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Alliance to be broken up late 2018. Roosters, SFC and Tahs will be homeless until 2021.

 

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