Parramatta Stadium Rebuild and other stuff

[Bazal]

Are you suggesting religion is a basis for comedy? I am outraged

Of course I am! Everything is a basis for comedy.

Except whatever it is I believe. You better not f**ken joke about that

 

[Twizzle]

why do prayer rooms need to be segregated ?

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

End of the day, how on earth do they affect you in any way?

By pushing up ticket prices.

 

[hindy111]

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Sorry guys I meant too type player...Dam my spelling.

 

[Kornstar]

Prayers are performed at certain times. Obviously it depends how strict you are.

But my question to you would be who ever said the stadium would only be used for games? I have been to a wedding, three conferences and a few wine tasting shows at both Manuka Oval and Bruce Stadium for eg. Cricket ACT often have functions at Manuka, I think the NEAFL or whatever that shit code is called here might as well. Bruce Stadium usually hosts the junior rugby league and/or rugby union grand final days, might have four or five matches in a day from under 15s or 16s to the First XV in terms of rugby. I've also played in a rep rugby carnival at Bruce, and I think it maybe hosts the John I Dent Cup finals day too. What about days where we might have something like the Rugby Sevens out there over a full weekend? Even the rare times when you have three grades on the same day that goes for about, what, 7-8 hours from gates to finish? Concerts?

What about staff?

TBH I don't think you're being racist, I think you're massively overreacting though.

End of the day, how on earth do they affect you in any way?

Don't get me wrong, that is about as much as i thought about it, i really don't give a shit but i like to ask these questions for my own purposes and to gather opinions. People's reactions to things fascinate me too.

To actually design and cater for such a small section of the country is really all i meant. I will state again that i do not in fact give a shit but i am allowed to question what i think is odd.

I love Star Wars and believe they should play it on the big screen in the 50 minute gap between Flegg/canterbury cup and first grade, so if i get 100-ish people to lobby and make a f**k load of noise and get headlines, will it happen? I suspect no........100 people is probably more people than would use the prayer room.

I am just trying to make a point that no-one asked for

 

[Bazal]

Don't get me wrong, that is about as much as i thought about it, i really don't give a shit but i like to ask these questions for my own purposes and to gather opinions. People's reactions to things fascinate me too.

To actually design and cater for such a small section of the country is really all i meant. I will state again that i do not in fact give a shit but i am allowed to question what i think is odd.

I love Star Wars and believe they should play it on the big screen in the 50 minute gap between Flegg/canterbury cup and first grade, so if i get 100-ish people to lobby and make a f**k load of noise and get headlines, will it happen? I suspect no........100 people is probably more people than would use the prayer room.

I am just trying to make a point that no-one asked for

Well you thought enough about it to call an unnamed and unspecified number of the community "vocal morons"

I care slightly because I feel that, intentional or not, stuff like taking issue with something aimed at another culture or religion is just feeding base level discrimination even if it's not overtly racist. I lived and still spend quite a bit of time in a Muslim country, for example. I don't want my mates dealing with that.

I have been to many games where I haven't used the bathroom. I'm sure a solid percentage of the crowd at any one game don't use the bathroom either, it's only 2 hours-ish. Do we really need bathrooms? Just go before or after the game. The logic you've based this on is similar, albeit my example is more extreme and in line with your Star Wars one.

But you've missed the major point again mate. What about all the other events I listed? What about the staff, who might be there for 8 hours and need to pray? Do you know what percentage of those staff, media, cleaning companies, hospitality companies, catering, security etc will use the rooms as well as you know the number of gameday fans?

The stadium isn't just there for games, from memory it has 7 or 8 event spaces before we even consider the other things the actual playing surface could be used for.

Forgetting everything else, you don't think that catering to the Muslim community is a good idea from a marketing perspective? Because ultimately that's probably the driving reason they added prayer rooms, rather than anything about appeasing "vocal morons" or even necessarily catering to gameday fans.

 

[Snoochies]

Isn't the prayer room for all faiths?

 

[Bazal]

Isn't the prayer room for all faiths?

Good point. Not sure tbh

 

[forward pass]

I think most fans will make use of the prayer rooms when the game is close. In fact it will be impossible to get in when Peni runs on the field.

 

[The EELiminator]

I think most fans will make use of the prayer rooms when the game is close. In fact it will be impossible to get in when Peni runs on the field.

i could have used a prayer room every time moses lined up a goal kick against panthers

 

[Noise]

Isn't the prayer room for all faiths?

If a Christian family wanted to pray together would they have to split up into the male and female rooms?

 

[Bazal]

If a Christian family wanted to pray together would they have to split up into the male and female rooms?

Dunno about the more extreme or conservative christian sects. I know Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists segregate by gender for some parts of service, for eg.

Quite a few Jewish off-shoots would though.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

If a Christian family wanted to pray together would they have to split up into the male and female rooms?

FFS, tear it down and start again!

 

[Noise]

FFS, tear it down and start again!

Seems like the sensible thing to do

 

[Kornstar]

Well you thought enough about it to call an unnamed and unspecified number of the community "vocal morons"

I care slightly because I feel that, intentional or not, stuff like taking issue with something aimed at another culture or religion is just feeding base level discrimination even if it's not overtly racist. I lived and still spend quite a bit of time in a Muslim country, for example. I don't want my mates dealing with that.

I have been to many games where I haven't used the bathroom. I'm sure a solid percentage of the crowd at any one game don't use the bathroom either, it's only 2 hours-ish. Do we really need bathrooms? Just go before or after the game. The logic you've based this on is similar, albeit my example is more extreme and in line with your Star Wars one.

But you've missed the major point again mate. What about all the other events I listed? What about the staff, who might be there for 8 hours and need to pray? Do you know what percentage of those staff, media, cleaning companies, hospitality companies, catering, security etc will use the rooms as well as you know the number of gameday fans?

The stadium isn't just there for games, from memory it has 7 or 8 event spaces before we even consider the other things the actual playing surface could be used for.

Forgetting everything else, you don't think that catering to the Muslim community is a good idea from a marketing perspective? Because ultimately that's probably the driving reason they added prayer rooms, rather than anything about appeasing "vocal morons" or even necessarily catering to gameday fans.

I saw the picture and while i was typing was about as much thought as i put into it and the second post, while i was typing it was a thought. I don't fixate on it and it is not something that even actually worries me. I work with many muslims and the ONLY reason i know they are is because of prayers. It is not really relevant to me in general what religion one is and i don't believe they are all evil because of another minority within that religion that kills in their religions name......

I will say another thing, i have NEVER heard anyone scream for them to build prayer rooms, it seems to come from somewhere in the political space and they drive it. Same as calling it happy holidays or whatever, it only seems to be some politicians that bring it up and then all the outrage starts, yet i have heard many muslims wish me a merry xmas. So where is it coming from?

I WILL be an asshole for a second, what about those other events that you speak of? Or workers? I truly believe that Star Wars or Korn should be played at every event i go to, in my eyes i believe in the lessons of Star Wars and the Jedi much more than (in my opinion) the other fictional characters in god/jesus/Mohammad or what ever fairytales someone believe in. Is anyone going to cater for me? f**k no! It may be an irrational issue but replace Star Wars with something a redneck really believes in and aren't allowed to do or influence and you will see why they take exception.

I guess my point is that the muslim community in this country is very small compared to non-muslims right? We didn't beg them to come to our country, they wanted to come here and usually there is some kind of assimilation. I'm interested to know from older Australians if we made religious or cultural exceptions when the Greeks, Italians and then later asians started migrating? I don't remember any of this kind of stuff growing up until the muslim immigration started increasing.

Halal is another contentious one. I personally don't care if the meat i eat is halal certified, i aint going to boycott it it still tastes the f**king same, it certainly upsets a lot of people though.

Take emotion out of it and your friends etc. and apart from our very giving nature in general do you not see why many Australians struggle with say a prayer room and the enormous political outrage over it? They see the same thing, some politician or PC brigade voice bring this shit up and act like we are all racist for even dare questioning it.

I don't agree with any of the arguments personally but i also won't just call them racist or whatever you want to call them because they don't want to eat Halal meat, see prayer rooms at events, call it merry xmas and celebrate easter etc. i don't know why they care, however not being able to understand them is just as ignorant as they are........which i think is lost in most arguments.

 

[hindy111]

I am sure it's meant to be player not prayer.....
I mean will muslims and Jews pray together?
Seems odd

 

[Bazal]

Oof...that's a long post for something you don't care about mate

Where to start...hopefully Suity doesn't get up us for derailing the thread (JOKES)

I saw the picture and while i was typing was about as much thought as i put into it and the second post, while i was typing it was a thought. I don't fixate on it and it is not something that even actually worries me. I work with many muslims and the ONLY reason i know they are is because of prayers. It is not really relevant to me in general what religion one is and i don't believe they are all evil because of another minority within that religion that kills in their religions name.....

I am irreligious. But I also support people's right to a religion, so for me a prayer room isn't something that I have a single issue with. It literally doesn't affect me in any way and if it makes someone feel more comfortable in the stadium for whatever event then it's certainly not a bad thing.

Do you oppose catering to Chinese people, for example?

I will say another thing, i have NEVER heard anyone scream for them to build prayer rooms, it seems to come from somewhere in the political space and they drive it. Same as calling it happy holidays or whatever, it only seems to be some politicians that bring it up and then all the outrage starts, yet i have heard many muslims wish me a merry xmas. So where is it coming from?

I haven't either. In fact tbh the people I do hear squealing about religious representation are normally Christians.

Tell me, would you have even known about them if not for the photo here?

I WILL be an asshole for a second, what about those other events that you speak of? Or workers? I truly believe that Star Wars or Korn should be played at every event i go to, in my eyes i believe in the lessons of Star Wars and the Jedi much more than (in my opinion) the other fictional characters in god/jesus/Mohammad or what ever fairytales someone believe in. Is anyone going to cater for me? f**k no! It may be an irrational issue but replace Star Wars with something a redneck really believes in and aren't allowed to do or influence and you will see why they take exception.

Well if you want to have a theological debate about how much of Star Wars is based in existing religion, we have a Non Footy Chat thread where I'd be glad to do so.

Anyway, those other events mean that it's not just about using a prayer room during a footy game as you originally suggested. There are dozens of other events that will utilise the stadium. Do you not believe that Islamic workers have a right to pray during their shift if they want? Smokers can take 47 breaks but religious workers can't pray? Seems silly when put that way, yes?

Regardless, it's not relevant unless Star Wars becomes an official religion. You are trying to compare the second largest religion on earth to a series of half decent movies.

Personally I'd take much more offence to a stadium regularly playing Korn than to one that provides prayer rooms...no offence.

I will agree that you're being a bit of an areshole in comparing your preferences to something many people believe (rightly or wrongly) is a mandatory part of their lives.

I guess my point is that the muslim community in this country is very small compared to non-muslims right? We didn't beg them to come to our country, they wanted to come here and usually there is some kind of assimilation. I'm interested to know from older Australians if we made religious or cultural exceptions when the Greeks, Italians and then later asians started migrating? I don't remember any of this kind of stuff growing up until the muslim immigration started increasing.

It may be small, but it is growing. It's certainly larger than some other groups who are better represented.

Assimilation sounds awfully like One Nation nationalism mate. Have you never seen a Greek orthodox church? Should they just assimilate and use our existing churches?

Halal is another contentious one. I personally don't care if the meat i eat is halal certified, i aint going to boycott it it still tastes the f**king same, it certainly upsets a lot of people though.

Halal also has an animal cruelty element to it, though, so it's a different argument. Although yes, a lot of bigots certainly take exception for no reason other than it is an Islamic certification.

Kosher food hasn't got anywhere the same level of opposition.

Take emotion out of it and your friends etc. and apart from our very giving nature in general do you not see why many Australians struggle with say a prayer room and the enormous political outrage over it? They see the same thing, some politician or PC brigade voice bring this shit up and act like we are all racist for even dare questioning it.

No, I genuinely don't see why people struggle with it. It has literally no bearing on my life. If we are so giving, why not allow people to practice a religion that has literally no bearing on our lives?

And yes, i do believe that there is a high level of racism involved most of the time. Or at the very least xenophobia and/or jingoism

I don't agree with any of the arguments personally but i also won't just call them racist or whatever you want to call them because they don't want to eat Halal meat, see prayer rooms at events, call it merry xmas and celebrate easter etc. i don't know why they care, however not being able to understand them is just as ignorant as they are........which i think is lost in most arguments.

I'm not 100% sure what the point is here, but I would ask why you believe people would oppose something that doesn't affect them in any way if there wasn't some element of ignorance, racism, jingoism or perhaps xenophobia involved.

I think people use deflective arguments about "free speech" and "assimilation" to distract from one or more of these base factors.

 

[Suitman]

Oof...that's a long post for something you don't care about mate

Where to start...hopefully Suity doesn't get up us for derailing the thread (JOKES)

Haha. I know you're joking. I'm no mod on this thread, I just started the f**king thing (much to the disgust of Bart at the time)!!
I've no problem with this discussion in this thread anyway. In fact, I find it fascinating.
I'm moderately religious myself and find it interesting reading people's thoughts. You yourself make some very compelling arguments. I'm not really sure why some prayer rooms would bother anyone to be honest.
And, just as an aside, I can see why, but don't understand, why this discussion has focused on a certain religion. The prayer rooms are there for all religions. I'll never use them, but I respect the rights of those that will and I have no problems with the small amount of square meterage of the stadium that they take up. Maybe, after all these years, we know what the true meaning of the phrase "multi-purpose stadium" is.

 

[hindy111]

Haha. I know you're joking. I'm no mod on this thread, I just started the f**king thing (much to the disgust of Bart at the time)!!
I've no problem with this discussion in this thread anyway. In fact, I find it fascinating.
I'm moderately religious myself and find it interesting reading people's thoughts. You yourself make some very compelling arguments. I'm not really sure why some prayer rooms would bother anyone to be honest.
And, just as an aside, I can see why, but don't understand, why this discussion has focused on a certain religion. The prayer rooms are there for all religions. I'll never use them, but I respect the rights of those that will and I have no problems with the small amount of square meterage of the stadium that they take up. Maybe, after all these years, we know what the true meaning of the phrase "multi-purpose stadium" is.

I was bought up catholic.Went to a catholic school. I used to piss my pants and sweat in nightmares as a 4yld child thinking the devil will get me from the sins I would commit during my day from the bullshit I was told. I sinned from a young age. merkin of a kid.
And yeah as a teen at school I taped a bong in the statue of Mother Marys hand. And later expelled for an incident involving urination.

 

[hindy111]

I remember at age 9 finding where the collection box went.
So where do bad folks go when they die?
I think I was mentally scarred from being religous but sinning like a mother f**ker...