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Parramatta Stadium Rebuild and other stuff

Suitman

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Huge size difference between netball or basketball and a soccer pitch.

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It looks like they are working with a limited footprint too.

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The stadium will have a capacity of 15,000 spectators, and house concerts, conventions and other events, as well as basketball and netball games.


As @TheRam said, the original proposal had a football sized stadium there, so it has the space.
Also, as @TheRam said, no doubt, there has been a huge pushback from the AFL regarding this.
They are not threatened by basketball or netball. They are severely paranoid about the World Game - football, and to a lesser extent, the NRL..

The example pics you provided are a bit cheeky. This was going to be a much smaller 20000 seater. A perfect rectangular sized stadium for Adelaide for football or RL.
 

TheRam

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30k in sydney?
Are you new here?


Mate I have written in detail over the years why a stadium in either of those location would easily get 30K+ crowds.
But think about it, a in the city, state of the art stadium is a game changer for sport in our emerald city and Australia really.

It would become a focal point very much like the Opera House and the Harbour Bridge for tourists and locals alike. It would be put in brochures, ad campaigns and so on, show casing our city and its wonders just like those other two landmarks to go see. Whenever a fireworks display is on the stadium would have been the focal backdrop every time for the Darling Harbour Stadium. I live in Darling Harbour and until Covid we had a fireworks display almost every weekend and even some week nights. It's what is done around here.

So both locations would in my estimation get at least a 2-3K bump in crowds every time an event is on just from the tourists that are always looking for something cool to do in the city as part of their experience in Australia. Tourist guide would be constantly pointing it out to every potential tourist as a must go do and see thing in our city. Remember the hype around the city would be massive and in your face everywhere. Even the young backpackers who all stay in the city Central Station area would love to go see a Soccer or Rugby game right in their backyard. The volume of people and buzz coming into these events will make everyone take notice and get caught up in the hype. New eateries, cafes and drinking holes will start to take advantage and open up especially if it were in the Central Station district, which currently can do with something big to change its fortunes and make it more alive and buzzy, especially after hours.

Then there is the local office workers who are always looking for a place to go and knock a few back after work on a Thursday or Friday night. I can imagine the discussions at the office, which I was a part of for so many years. Where do we go for a drink guys? The same old boring pub or bar? Or lets go to the pub/bar/eatery or whatever and then go see X game and have a few there too, especially on a Friday night with no work the next day. There would be a few thousand workers who would love to walk down a few blocks and do a mini pub crawl to the stadium. There would be nights that large work groups would book huge groups tickets to have a night out at the stadium too. The company I worked for has a box and seats at the Big stadiums and often gave us tickets as rewards too. Like I said these two locations are uber premium and will be considered as such.

Then there are the Locals. If you include Pyrmont, Ultimo, Haymarket, Sydney, Surry Hills and Glebe for example, the local immediate population that can easily walk to a Stadium either in Darling Harbour or Central Station, it is easily over 50K. Again these people, just like me are always looking for things to do and entertainment in their own back yard. I would conservatively say at least 5K of these people and their kids would become season ticket members. I know I would.

Now add in all the tens of thousands that are actual fans of the teams that are playing who now can catch a train straight to the Central Stadium and walk a few metres to it after getting off the train or walk to Darling Harbour which is a flat, safe well lit and easy walk with a million places to drink and or eat along the way to and from, well its a no brainer that it becomes a great afternoon or night out for every one.

Lets not forget, The hype on game days and each and every week for events at what could have been jewel of a stadium and location is like nothing we have ever consistently had in this city. The city will feel alive because of it and everyone will feel it and will want to be part of it and experience it. Like I said, tourist will be drawn to it like moths to a flame, because of the buzz. Don't think of it like what has been going on forever at the SFS, or Olympic Park, where they are out of the way and or soulless cavernous flat entities. People would have looked at these stadiums and locations as places of fun and excitement where great memories are made as tourists experiencing a local sport amongst passionate Aussies or with work colleagues, friends and or families or just passionate mad fans that love the fix that only this stadium delivers so consistently in our City. Dare I say it, AFL style with capacity crowds and atmosphere. Each and every game becomes an event and tickets will become a premium asset that people will need to book in advance for or risk missing out.

Do you think that all this is Hyperbole? I seriously don't. I just don't think that people get how important it is for some cities, cities like Sydney, lets face it we are snobs, so unless it is presented as an premium event and convenient, then we tend to pass and ignore. This addresses that in spades and gives everyone what they want, which is convenience, atmosphere and HYPE with a capital H Y P E!!!

As another example of a city that struggles to get consistent and large crowds to their sporting events, look no further than Auckland. But if they were ever to bite the bullet and actually build the many times suggested and mooted City Stadium, watch how their city would take on a totally different feel and vibe. The place would transform into a must visit and experience showpiece on the NZ sporting calendar for so many New Zealanders and tourists alike. But unfortunately the Kiwis also suffer from the same think small syndrome and conservative mind set that us Aussies do. So instead they upgraded their version of our Olympic stadium, the cavernous Eden Park which is in the burbs. Which now again people are saying needs to be either redeveloped again or a new Stadium(City) needs to be built. I wonder which way they will eventually go. I think that the odds are that they will f**k up again and not pick the best location that will change everything and make Auckland the envy of the all the Sothern hemisphere cities when it comes to stadiums and sports/events with the most dynamic, bang for your buck location, which of course is the city waterfront.

The links below show what Auckland has in its power to one day have and become a real destination city in the world for millions of sports loving people around the world and all the positive knock on affects that will happen when you create the right environment and facility and give the people what they actually want. Sports and Stadiums are like the modern day Renaissance Cathedrals that the Popes used to build for the worshiping pilgrims to come and visit. It was a way to not only assert their power and influence but a great way to increase the local economy. Well that today is what strategic Stadiums can do too. Our pollies just don't have a clue or let politics get in the way.

I like this one the best because it is right on the Waterfront and right next to the underground central city railway station. It would be unprecedented in either of our countries and blow our freakin minds if it were to ever happen.

But this one would be pretty good too but in my opinion not as magnetic and alluring as the first one but nearly as good.

Anyway end of rant.

Oh...maybe V'Landys needs to be a Pope, then maybe he can see the big picture and fight to make the Adelaide city stadium happen for our rectangular football sports.
 

TheRam

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I got pretty excited myself reading that. Good stuff.

Exactly and we are letting a similar opportunity in Adelaide, be it on a smaller scale stadium wise, slip through our fingers again.


V'Landys and the other codes need to make a massive effort and try to change it. But instead we get NOTHING!!!

Also where is the media on this to make it an issue? Something positive for our football codes, not gossip and scandal. This topic should be at the forefront of discussion if we want the best outcome and expansion success for our game. But NOTHING!!!

Pathetic all round. Instead as an example we get Bryan Fletcher types just spend ridiculous amounts of air time making 3rd rate innuendo sex jokes and an attitude and public persona that doesn't really care for the game and hardly watches it, but gets paid handsomely for it. While all he and others are always promoting is the gambling side of all sport. What a bunch of losers and they are just encouraging others to follow suit.

If the talking heads don't care or take the game seriously, then why should the paying public? Another example of what has gone wrong with the game. Generally pointless talking points and presenters that you can't take seriously who minimise the game as a whole, but promote losing your money.

I am getting real sick of it.
 

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Exactly and we are letting a similar opportunity in Adelaide, be it on a smaller scale stadium wise, slip through our fingers again.


V'Landys and the other codes need to make a massive effort and try to change it. But instead we get NOTHING!!!

Also where is the media on this to make it an issue? Something positive for our football codes, not gossip and scandal. This topic should be at the forefront of discussion if we want the best outcome and expansion success for our game. But NOTHING!!!

Pathetic all round. Instead as an example we get Bryan Fletcher types just spend ridiculous amounts of air time making 3rd rate innuendo sex jokes and an attitude and public persona that doesn't really care for the game and hardly watches it, but gets paid handsomely for it. While all he and others are always promoting is the gambling side of all sport. What a bunch of losers and they are just encouraging others to follow suit.

If the talking heads don't care or take the game seriously, then why should the paying public? Another example of what has gone wrong with the game. Generally pointless talking points and presenters that you can't take seriously who minimise the game as a whole, but promote losing your money.

I am getting real sick of it.

The problem with Adelaide mate is that the media there is 100% AWFUL focussed.
Just google and look up radio interviews between Simon Hill (Football) and some AFL twat name Graham Cornes from some radio station in Adelaide.

Simon Hill is fantastic and absolutely gives it to them, time after time, about how ignorant and prejudiced they are against football, yet they don't give a shit.
They wouldn't be any better if they were discussing RL.
I have no doubt that the AFL in SA have been behind the reduction in size of this Adelaide stadium. I also think that no matter how much lobbying the NRL, Rugby and Football did in that state, it wouldn't make an arse lick of difference.
Just ask @Haynzy
 

TheRam

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The problem with Adelaide mate is that the media there is 100% AWFUL focussed.
Just google and look up radio interviews between Simon Hill (Football) and some AFL twat name Graham Cornes from some radio station in Adelaide.

Simon Hill is fantastic and absolutely gives it to them, time after time, about how ignorant and prejudiced they are against football, yet they don't give a shit.
They wouldn't be any better if they were discussing RL.
I have no doubt that the AFL in SA have been behind the reduction in size of this Adelaide stadium. I also think that no matter how much lobbying the NRL, Rugby and Football did in that state, it wouldn't make an arse lick of difference.
Just ask @Haynzy

Sure I agree totally about the AFL prejudice in States like SA and their total disrespect and shutdown of any meaningful discussion in regards to any other footy code. Our journos could learn a thing or two on how to treat all our other footy codes main predator and give the AFL some of the same right back.

And sure it doesn't take great imagination to work out the behind the scenes machinations that would have transpired to make sure that a state of the art rectangular city indoor football stadium never happened. AFL acolytes scuttled it for sure. They aren't stupid enough to give that kind of a leg up to their competitors if they can kill it in the crib.

But not putting up a united strong and solid fight is exactly what those AFL creatures want and actually are used to and expect from all the other footy codes, that have just been rolling over for decades.

We need to stop this meek loser response to their constant bullying. We can take them if we get together on these types of issues. Would we win this ones? Probably not, but if we strategized properly and played the political game well both privately and in the public arena, gave the Gov the right assurances and so forth, then who knows? Anything is possible if you actually get into the arena.

Remember David slew Goliath. The point is, if you try and try with heart and passion then sometimes great things happen. Not trying though guarantees that nothing great will ever happen.
 

emjaycee

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Sure I agree totally about the AFL prejudice in States like SA and their total disrespect and shutdown of any meaningful discussion in regards to any other footy code. Our journos could learn a thing or two on how to treat all our other footy codes main predator and give the AFL some of the same right back.

And sure it doesn't take great imagination to work out the behind the scenes machinations that would have transpired to make sure that a state of the art rectangular city indoor football stadium never happened. AFL acolytes scuttled it for sure. They aren't stupid enough to give that kind of a leg up to their competitors if they can kill it in the crib.

But not putting up a united strong and solid fight is exactly what those AFL creatures want and actually are used to and expect from all the other footy codes, that have just been rolling over for decades.

We need to stop this meek loser response to their constant bullying. We can take them if we get together on these types of issues. Would we win this ones? Probably not, but if we strategized properly and played the political game well both privately and in the public arena, gave the Gov the right assurances and so forth, then who knows? Anything is possible if you actually get into the arena.

Remember David slew Goliath. The point is, if you try and try with heart and passion then sometimes great things happen. Not trying though guarantees that nothing great will ever happen.
Probably need a cool slingshot too.

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TheRam

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Why would they make any noise when a team in SA is so far down the list it can't even be seen. There's no point. The Bears have more chance and they have zero.

That's the point mate. They should make noise and offer an 18th NRL franchise as part of the inducement to build it for football games.

Not a huge brain teaser mate. We need to be more professional then this if we want to be successful and a truly national sport. Reward the States that reward our game.
 

T.S Quint

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That's the point mate. They should make noise and offer an 18th NRL franchise as part of the inducement to build it for football games.

Not a huge brain teaser mate. We need to be more professional then this if we want to be successful and a truly national sport. Reward the States that reward our game.

If you offer them an NRL franchise just to get a footy stadium then you would actually have to give them an NRL franchise. Which isn’t what anybody wants.

Perth, Wellington and even another QLD team are more likely to get a franchise than South Australia.
 
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It looks a lot like what was already there.
I thought they may build a stadium with a retractable roof plus one where the grandstands can be moved in and out - I remember that ground in Japan used for the Football World Cup - it could be changed from a Football field Stadium into a Baseball Field Stadium- Sapporo Dome
 

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Make a commitment as the 18th franchise if that is what it would take. We will need to expand into these other States and this type of stadium and in particular location will be lost forever. It is like building a stadium in Darling Harbour. We could have done it 30 years ago but it is a lost opportunity now that will never return. Or the over Central Station option. Gone now forever.

Either of those 2 options would of guaranteed a minimum average crowd of over 30k a game. I doubt that the SFS will average that once the hype dissipates. We need to stop losing the best opportunities for success like we almost always do.

Maybe V'Landys shoulda offered Gladys a root.......
 

Gary Gutful

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Not convinced the game is sustainable enough for a 17th team, let alone an 18th one.

We've been down this path before and failed miserably. Hopefully we've learnt from previous mistakes.
 

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