Parramatta Stadium Rebuild and other stuff

[Gary Gutful]

That's Gary.
Don't take anything he says seriously.

He was actually talking about Twizzle and his stupid asphyxiation theory, you goon!

 

[Twizzle]

LOL Nonsense, smoke ventilation hahaha, so i guess thats standard for all stadiums?
Honestly ive heard some funny theories but thats the funniest.
Where the fire goung to come from and whats going to provide the fuel?
How many times have you seen that happen in a stadium and dont you think its a big enough area and high enough that nobody is going to get asphixiated?
Wheres your back up for this genius theory?

Its called the National Construction Code.

Here's some light reading for you.

http://www.abcb.gov.au/Resources/Publications/NCC/NCC-2016-Volume-One

Its all about risk assessment carried out by the appointed Fire Engineers who generally provide an alternative Fire Services Solution to the building certifier. In some cases if you comply strictly with the NCC then it can be cost ineffective and not suit the design of the complex.

Although the seating may be fire geniusant, they may still be partly flammable.

For example if the architects are instructed to provide seating to accommodate say 35,000 people and to comply with the NCC, they need to provide X amount of fire exits to allow the patrons to egress the affected area in the appropriate amount of time, say 10 minutes. If they provide all the required exits, they loose a lot of seating areas and the architects cannot meet their design brief , so they engage the services of Fire Services Engineers to reduce the risk of smoke affecting the patrons that cannot egress the affected areas in the appropriate amount of time.

As a result they can provide less fire exits and more seating as the risk of patrons being affected by smoke is reduced if the stands are naturally vented and the smoke dissipates to the atmosphere rather than being trapped in the closed off part of the stadium.

You may now remove your foot from your oversized mouth.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Nice try Twiz. It was still a ridiculous comment.

 

[Gronk]

I can't see how our new stadium would be a fire risk. It's not as if the tenants let off flares or .... oh never mind.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Are we still doing flare jokes?

 

[Green River Eel]

Its called the National Construction Code.

Here's some light reading for you.

http://www.abcb.gov.au/Resources/Publications/NCC/NCC-2016-Volume-One

Its all about risk assessment carried out by the appointed Fire Engineers who generally provide an alternative Fire Services Solution to the building certifier. In some cases if you comply strictly with the NCC then it can be cost ineffective and not suit the design of the complex.

Although the seating may be fire geniusant, they may still be partly flammable.

For example if the architects are instructed to provide seating to accommodate say 35,000 people and to comply with the NCC, they need to provide X amount of fire exits to allow the patrons to egress the affected area in the appropriate amount of time, say 10 minutes. If they provide all the required exits, they loose a lot of seating areas and the architects cannot meet their design brief , so they engage the services of Fire Services Engineers to reduce the risk of smoke affecting the patrons that cannot egress the affected areas in the appropriate amount of time.

As a result they can provide less fire exits and more seating as the risk of patrons being affected by smoke is reduced if the stands are naturally vented and the smoke dissipates to the atmosphere rather than being trapped in the closed off part of the stadium.

You may now remove your foot from your oversized mouth.

Hahaha nice try but this has absolutely zero to do with the openings on the top, there are tonnes of stadiums built without openings like that.
Have you got any info thats actually relivant to anything you said regarding the openings being built to stop people being asphyxiated in a fire?

 

[Green River Eel]

That's Gary.
Don't take anything he says seriously.

Haha cheers suity, Gary is a clown but i like the kid.

 

[Green River Eel]

Um......hi?

Hi

 

[strider]

Are we still doing flare jokes?

Its no joke ... hubba hubba

 

[Gronk]

#giggity

 

[84 Baby]

Its called the National Construction Code.

Here's some light reading for you.

http://www.abcb.gov.au/Resources/Publications/NCC/NCC-2016-Volume-One

they loose a lot of seating areas.

FFS! Unless the code is referring to WSW fans. They loose a lot of seating

 

[Twizzle]

Hahaha nice try but this has absolutely zero to do with the openings on the top, there are tonnes of stadiums built without openings like that.
Have you got any info thats actually relivant to anything you said regarding the openings being built to stop people being asphyxiated in a fire?

I guess it was all a bit over your head.

 

[Twizzle]

FFS! Unless the code is referring to WSW fans. They loose a lot of seating

Interesting point, although flares are not a permanent fixture in the stadium construction. Believe it or not these issues are taken into consideration in the overall scheme of things by legislating against them.

The stadium trust will have whats referred to as a Management Plan in dealing with things like flares as part of their approval process.

 

[Green River Eel]

I guess it was all a bit over your head.

No it wasnt actually, it has zero to do with the holes being there to stop people being asphyxiated, youve gone online to search, youve found absolutely nothing so youve thrown up something that you think will back up your story, perhaps its over your head mate.
Next time you go to throw in a smart ass, put down reply as thats the only way youll communicate with me, make sure its got some substance mate, or youll be looking stupid again.
Tell us more about people being asphyxiated in grandstands because of lack of venalation, BWAHAHAHAHAHA, just run through the process it would take to get to that point and show me where its written in the plans for this stadium that the purpose is for that?
f**k this is funny stuff.

 

[Twizzle]

I dont need to do any online searches for what I do professionally because I am qualified in my area of engineering expertise, some here already know that.

Truth be told I really dont need to justify anything to you.

 

[Green River Eel]

I dont need to do any online searches for what I do professionally because I am qualified in my area of engineering expertise, some here already know that.

Truth be told I really dont need to justify anything to you.

Hahaha, says every bloke who has nothing, they love to start the discussion but when asked to back themselves they pull the 'i dont have anything to prove to you' you are getting carved up, youve not answered one question, youve just come in with a chirp because its the only way you know how to communicate to me, your nonsense has been called so all youve got now is 'i dont have to prove myself to you' ahahaha
If you dont want a discussion about your nonsense, do away with the little cheap shots.
If youd said its for air circulation in the heat, or to help assist getting rid of smoke from flares i would probably agree, but if you think they are for stopping people getting asphyxiated if theres a rampant fire come out of nowhere your mistaken, they have fire exits for that that people could easily access before getting aspyhxiated, and youve not been able to answer one simple question ive asked, if you do this for a job its the funniest thing ive ever heard, good luck to you mate hahaha priceless

 

[Green River Eel]

Its called the National Construction Code.

Here's some light reading for you.

http://www.abcb.gov.au/Resources/Publications/NCC/NCC-2016-Volume-One

Its all about risk assessment carried out by the appointed Fire Engineers who generally provide an alternative Fire Services Solution to the building certifier. In some cases if you comply strictly with the NCC then it can be cost ineffective and not suit the design of the complex.

Although the seating may be fire geniusant, they may still be partly flammable.

For example if the architects are instructed to provide seating to accommodate say 35,000 people and to comply with the NCC, they need to provide X amount of fire exits to allow the patrons to egress the affected area in the appropriate amount of time, say 10 minutes. If they provide all the required exits, they loose a lot of seating areas and the architects cannot meet their design brief , so they engage the services of Fire Services Engineers to reduce the risk of smoke affecting the patrons that cannot egress the affected areas in the appropriate amount of time.

As a result they can provide less fire exits and more seating as the risk of patrons being affected by smoke is reduced if the stands are naturally vented and the smoke dissipates to the atmosphere rather than being trapped in the closed off part of the stadium.

You may now remove your foot from your oversized mouth.

So did you write this yourself or did you google it ?

Explain your theory about stadium roofs and their relation to people getting aspyxiated to me in your words seeings your the qualified expert, i need a good laugh.
And just remind me how many stadiums youve built ?

 

[Suitman]

To be honest, I don't think either of you are wrong nor right.
Stadiums come in all shapes and sizes and designs.
I doubt the stadium and the roof were designed specifically to allow for any sort of smoke egress. There are plenty of stadiums designed that don't have that open section below the roof behind the back tiers. Look at the Birds Nest in Beijing for example.

Or Moscow's Olympic stadium.




The budget for this stadium for a complete rebuild is only $300 million. It's not a lot.
That in itself would have put design constraints upon the tenderers.
Both are stadiums much larger than the proposed new Western Sydney Stadium.

I'd say the gap that is between the top tiers and the roof at our proposed stadium is due purely to the architects and their design on budget constraint, rather than any fire regulations.

Because it is at the back of the stands, I also think that not much noise will be lost through this gap. The majority of the noise created will be funneled towards the playing pitch by the complete roof cover.

 

[Green River Eel]

To be honest, I don't think either of you are wrong nor right.
Stadiums come in all shapes and sizes and designs.
I doubt the stadium and the roof were designed specifically to allow for any sort of smoke egress. There are plenty of stadiums designed that don't have that open section below the roof behind the back tiers. Look at the Birds Nest in Beijing for example.

Or Moscow's Olympic stadium.




The budget for this stadium for a complete rebuild is only $300 million. It's not a lot.
That in itself would have put design constraints upon the tenderers.
Both are stadiums much larger than the proposed new Western Sydney Stadium.

I'd say the gap that is between the top tiers and the roof at our proposed stadium is due purely to the architects and their design on budget constraint, rather than any fire regulations.

Because it is at the back of the stands, I also think that not much noise will be lost through this gap. The majority of the noise created will be funneled towards the playing pitch by the complete roof cover.

Suity i totally agree with you, youve just briefed my whole point, we can clearly see the stadium is done on a pretty small budget, its design has been dictated largely on funds.
There are tonnes of stadiums around with no holes to stop people getting aspyhxiated, full top stadiums are built to keep the weather out as youve posted, these stadiums have no holes, they have access points that are designed to let a certain amount of people out.
Not to mention theirs no fuel in our new stadium that could catch fire quick enough that would fill the stadium enough to asphyxiate people before they can get out as they arnt chained to their seats.
Its yet to be seen if it will let sound out but it will definitely have an effects, the stadium can be likened to a big acoustic instrument to a degree, every design feature changes the refraction and rebound of noise, its pretty safe to say that if it had a wall on those openings it would rebound noise back into the stadium, youd have to agree with that?
Im not sure how much but it would have to make a difference.
cheers

 

[Suitman]

Suity i totally agree with you, youve just briefed my whole point, we can clearly see the stadium is done on a pretty small budget, its design has been dictated largely on funds.
There are tonnes of stadiums around with no holes to stop people getting aspyhxiated, full top stadiums are built to keep the weather out as youve posted, these stadiums have no holes, they have access points that are designed to let a certain amount of people out.
Not to mention theirs no fuel in our new stadium that could catch fire quick enough that would fill the stadium enough to asphyxiate people before they can get out as they arnt chained to their seats.
Its yet to be seen if it will let sound out but it will definitely have an effects, the stadium can be likened to a big acoustic instrument to a degree, every design feature changes the refraction and rebound of noise, its pretty safe to say that if it had a wall on those openings it would rebound noise back into the stadium, youd have to agree with that?
Im not sure how much but it would have to make a difference.
cheers

To an extent, yes, there would be a certain amount of noise loss with that open section.
In saying that, I do not feel, at this stage, that it will be significant.
Don't forget that this stadium is designed with the steepest stands in the country, so the majority of the noise will be projected forward, rather than backwards, where it could possibly be lost.
I suppose we'll never know what it would be like with those gaps filled in as it won't be constructed that way.
I can say however I think this design will provide a significant increase in noise levels. due purely to both ends also being part of the roof covered bowl, as opposed to the soon to be demolished current stadium, where a lot of noise was lost out of the open ends.