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Paul Green

PARRA_FAN

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That seems a common theme in the career of Graham Murray. I can't fathom why he never got the credit he deserved at a succession of club front offices.

He did a great job in building up every club he coached at - Illawarra, Mariners, Leeds, Easts, Cowboys - yet only got his just desserts in England.

The Steelers were never the same without him; he took Easts to the GF that continually eluded Gould and left a premiership-club-in-waiting for Stuart to enjoy; and he achieved at the Cowboys what was utterly beyond the lauded Sheens.

Even in his solitary season at Hunter Mariners he managed to steer them to the final of the ill-fated World Club Championship after winning away at Wigan and n the SF at Cronulla.

At Leeds he was idolised after reaching the GF in his first year and winning by a record score at Wembley in his second. And every player speaks fondly of his time in charge.

Why was Muzza so under-rated everywhere he went ?

You can add Penrith reserve grade to the list, which featured the likes of Geyer, Cartwright and Carroll, they won the comp in 1987.

Murray was actually well liked, not just as a coach but as a person.

You ask plenty of players that played under and they had huge respect for "Little Artie" as he was known

Its incredible what he did at Illawarra, just missed the finals in 1991 and just missed the GF in 1992. They had a few wooden spoons back in the 80s.

Also to mention, he would've coached Norths in 2000, had they not "merged". Imagine if he did with that squad.

I read an article the week he passed away, which detailed his achievements and recognising the talent in Australia and the UK and he much he cared for his players. I cant find the article online, but I remember crying a little. The league world was sad to lose him.

Back on the topic a bit, Paul Green gave mention to Graham Murray in his post match interview after the Cowboys GF win and said he built the club to be a competitive side.
 

King hit

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He was a good coach and took them to a grand final. But lets not complelty rewrite history by putting it down to petty jealousy. The Roosters well and truly did get smashed in the finals 40-6 by the Knights before he departed.
I’ve read Brad Fittler’s autobiography and he said 2001 was a very stressful year with morale very low and by the end they just couldn’t wait for it to finish. Coming back from that game in Newcastle he was actually relived to hear the Dragons had won against the Bulldogs knocking the Roosters out.
 

The_Frog

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You can add Penrith reserve grade to the list, which featured the likes of Geyer, Cartwright and Carroll, they won the comp in 1987.
Also Brad and Craig Izzard (the latter was captain) Darryl Brohman and Tony Butterfield. Cartwright was already established in first grade and wasn't part of this side, though. Still, it was a serious forward pack and no surprise they won the comp.
 

Whip Whitaker

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Sticky gets mocked on here, but before he arrived we'd all pretty much given up hope that'd we'd be genuine contenders ever again. We may have had our hearts broken last season but I'll take that over running 7th-15th and being a minimal threat 99 times out of 100.

He managed to change that narrative and if it wasn't for him, I don't think it happens. Murray was a decent coach

Ricky Stuart's ladder position with the Raiders has been:

15th, 10th, 2nd (preliminary final), 10th, 10th, 4th (grand final).

I think you are very much overrating Ricky Stuart.
 

axl rose

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What sort of club hires a guy to coach that as a player, was a complete over paid fraud in his time there and sued the ass off the same said club when fired?

A complete shit one does.


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Very well thought out post. Though you didn't mention Thurston. Would have been the biggest call since Bennett punted Wally Lewis but in hindsight letting him go a year too long on his farewell tour cost them a few decent players, possibly Ponga.

As for Hess, he is the new Dane Carlaw. Even Antonio Kaufusi was better value.
 
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Thanks for the memories but enough is enough.

Piss poor roster and player management coupled in with very shit tactics, this has been coming since 2017 IMO. That GF plastered over all the cracks in the club unfortunately and gave him unwarranted ammo to hold the club to ransom. The way his contract negotiations dragged on in 2018 were also a tell tale sign for mine he thought he was bigger than the club itself.

He held onto older players for far too long, I said it earlier but Matt Scott should have been pulled aside when he did his knee in rd2 2017 and told ‘we think you’re time is up, if you want to play again then it will be for someone else, retire and you have a job at the club for life’. He is the type of guy that would excel at either corporate hosting and/or forward coaching. His softly spoken nature goes over well in a more conservative part of the world, business would clamber over having host in their boxes at the new stadium. He resonates well with the common man up there because of his rural background and upbringing.

Throw in roster management and holding onto players like Gavin Cooper, Justin O’neill, Hampton, Granville, Hess. All have turned into absolute plodders and we have on the books for more years to come (Cooper excluded). There is no way John Asiata or Francis Molo should be leaving but it seems they are. Those 2 players alone should be priorities to sign. This obsession with letting Lolo wear the 13 and masquerade as a ‘lock’ is f**king infuriating. He is a front rower end of story. Wear the 13 for f**ks sake, fine, but let Asiata be the starting ball playing lock he is meant to be and watch us improve out of sight. The forwards we have are so f**king vanilla excluding Lolo, teams don’t need to be on alert for a cheeky offload because we play so much ‘money ball’ safe shit. If you are going to do that, you will want your forwards to at least have some footwork in their game to put a smidge of doubt into the opposition.

His inconsistent approach to blooding juniors was astounding. The first 3 years he seemed very willing to let the youth come in, he blooded Ponga on the wing in a semi in vs Brisbane for f**ks sake. Hess was let play at 19 against a monster NZ forward pack. But then he started to show a massive reluctance to let the youth come through instead relying on the old heads to get it done. They did that for a while but fast forward to 2018, it was pretty clear from about rd3 onwards he wasn’t prepared to change and we have been quite f**king poor ever since. Constantly playing his Wynumn boy Granville is a prime example, halfway through 2018 it is clear he is well below the standards required but he still persisted playing him. Oh and then he lets him extend this sub par 9 for another 3 years. Thanks merkin.

I hate to see anyone lose their job, when he first got to NQ his attitude of ‘stop the excuses, make you own destiny, don’t let the refs do it for you’ was refreshing. I’ve been a cowboys fan since day one, but we have been an excuse riddled club since the start, always looking for the easy way out and happy to pass blame to a ref blunder instead of manning up and admitting it was our fault. The shit old school NQ footy attitude crept in to Greenys game early 2018, for mine this should have been the sign to f**k him off and get someone else in, his bleating in the post match pressers was embarrassing and a complete 180 from his attitude at the start of his tenure up there. I get it would have been hard moving him on seeing as though he had just taken an injury riddled side to the GF but sometimes you need to make these hard decisions.

He will always be the first premiership coach of NQ but he inherited a decent set up thanks to Neil Henry and Graham Murray (RIP). Muzz will always be the best coach we had all things considered. He got JT and Matt Scott to the club, inherited a complete f**k fight and turned us into a force. He left under shit circumstances that I won’t go into on here, but we are back to 2002 when he took over bar a couple of ‘name‘ players we currently have.

It will take the next coach 2 more season to get us out of this mess, the complete spuds we have on our books for at least one more season will take a while to get over.

It’s a damn shame it ended like this, he even had me fooled at the start and I was more than man enough to eat humble shit pie post 2015 as I thought he was the wrong choice when he was announced and was against it but he proved the doubters wrong that year. But 2015 is a long time ago now and a lot of water has passed under that bridge.


What sort of club hires a guy to coach that as a player, was a complete over paid fraud in his time there and sued the ass off the same said club when fired?

A complete shit one does.



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Ooft...thats a hard hitter.

As a long suffering Knights supporter, I felt where every one of your words are coming from. We also had a coach who walked into the club with a pre-existing gun roster, also had the game's best player to win a comp for him and he also proceeded to royally f**k said roster post premiership in many of the ways you mentioned.

2015 may seem a long time ago but it's not 2001 long...that's how poisonous a bad coach/manager can be. Fwiw, I don't think the Cowboys are in the worst possible shape. A quality coach could get them into the finals with their full-strength roster imo.
 
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Very well thought out post. Though you didn't mention Thurston. Would have been the biggest call since Bennett punted Wally Lewis but in hindsight letting him go a year too long on his farewell tour cost them a few decent players, possibly Ponga.

As for Hess, he is the new Dane Carlaw. Even Antonio Kaufusi was better value.
Too far...too far...

AK 47 is better value than no man.
 

Whip Whitaker

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Very well thought out post. Though you didn't mention Thurston. Would have been the biggest call since Bennett punted Wally Lewis but in hindsight letting him go a year too long on his farewell tour cost them a few decent players, possibly Ponga.

As for Hess, he is the new Dane Carlaw. Even Antonio Kaufusi was better value.

JT started 2018 very poorly. But by the middle of the season, he was fine as he worked his ass off to get his defence right. The issues went way deeper than JT.

Matty Scott never stopped trying but he could barely move sideways.
 

davi

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Back to the Cowboys replacement search I have heard a couple names thrown up. The most promient one's I've heard is Anthony Griffin and Kevin Walters. Griffin is no guarantee to lead you to a premiership. However, he's hasn't been exactly given as many chances as other coaches around the league either. Griffin has a knack for blooding young players and get the team playing competitive which might be sufficent for the Cowboys at this point. Walters is an nteresting one, and the jury is still out how good Walters would be as an NRL coach. Walters after signing an extension may stay at the QLD job. But it also depends how bad Walters wants the Broncos job which he may bide his time to see how the Seibold situation pans out.

Mark Geyer was asked a month ago who would be the best replacement for Paul Green. He responded Craig Fitzgibbon suggesting an outside influence would be a good fit. Fitzgibbon has already said no to being pursued for the Warriors job. And I have a inkling he wants a sydney club/NSW club. Being a Woolongong local the Dragons would be attractive sitution for him.

The truth is Green was an outside appointment anyway. Yes Green was a former Cowboys players, but he had a small stint there that parted in a rather acrminous split. He did his apprentichip with the Broncos and the Roosters as a assistant coach. He was never someone who had strong connections the way Kevin Walter with the Broncos or John Morris has with the sharks before he joined the Cowboys.
 

Whip Whitaker

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Back to the Cowboys replacement search I have heard a couple names thrown up. The most promient one's I've heard is Anthony Griffin and Kevin Walters. Griffin is no guarantee to lead you to a premiership. However, he's hasn't been exactly given as many chances as other coaches around the league either. Griffin has a knack for blooding young players and get the team playing competitive which might be sufficent for the Cowboys at this point. Walters is an nteresting one, and the jury is still out how good Walters would be as an NRL coach. Walters after signing an extension may stay at the QLD job. But it also depends how bad Walters wants the Broncos job which he may bide his time to see how the Seibold situation pans out.

Mark Geyer was asked a month ago who would be the best replacement for Paul Green. He responded Craig Fitzgibbon suggesting an outside influence would be a good fit. Fitzgibbon has already said no to being pursued for the Warriors job. And I have a inkling he wants a sydney club/NSW club. Being a Woolongong local the Dragons would be attractive sitution for him.

The truth is Green was an outside appointment anyway. Yes Green was a former Cowboys players, but he had a small stint there that parted in a rather acrminous split. He did his apprentichip with the Broncos and the Roosters as a assistant coach. He was never someone who had strong connections the way Kevin Walter with the Broncos or John Morris has with the sharks before he joined the Cowboys.

Griffin has a reputation for being good with younger players, but he's also had the pressure of being in two challenging situations: the ambition of the Broncos; and at that point, the ambition of Penrith.

Coaching the Cowboys right now might suit him as there won't be any short-term pressure to win the premiership. That will come a fair few years later.
 

davi

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Griffin has a reputation for being good with younger players, but he's also had the pressure of being in two challenging situations: the ambition of the Broncos; and at that point, the ambition of Penrith.

Coaching the Cowboys right now might suit him as there won't be any short-term pressure to win the premiership. That will come a fair few years later.

Interestingly Anthony Griffin won't be considered for the coaching job by the Cowboys according to the Courier Mail. They seem to rate Todd Payten from his time when he was an assistant there. Alot of things would have to fall in place for that to happen. Payten is still a chance to remain at the Warriors. And may not want to turn his back on the club if they gave him the opportunity to remain as head coach.

COWBOYS SAY ‘NO’ TO HOOK

THE Cowboys are a long way off settling on a coach to replace to Paul Green but one thing is certain – it won’t be Anthony Griffin.


Cowboys hierarchy are looking to go in a different direction and will not be reaching out to “Hook” to take charge in Townsville.


Green’s former assistant Todd Payten remains a leading contender for the gig and is highly-rated by those at the club.



https://www.couriermail.com.au/spor...s/news-story/bf8c5c93726923a20c7fb7740411a0dd
 
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Kevvy needs to take a hint that the cowboys want a coach with an IQ bigger than a crayon.

Kevvie as a kid -

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flippikat

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The prospect may be coming more and more likely each day. He the got the Warriors to completely pummel the Knights 36-6 today.

If the Cowboys are crazy enough to pass on Todd, the Broncos should snap him up right away.

The results he's getting from a Warriors team that looked utterly clueless & demoralized under Kearney are nothing short of phenomenal.
 

Sphagnum

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Payten has done the impossible and turned George Jennings into a first grader. He should get any gig he wants.
 
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