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Paul Kent: NRL salary cap isn't working

Noname36

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NRL salary cap isn’t working and damaging the integrity of the competition
PAUL KENT THE DAILY TELEGRAPH MARCH 17, 2015 12:00AM

Cherry-Evans outplayed Queensland Origin halfback Cooper Cronk in Manly’s win over Melbourne on Saturday night.

His quicker than the eye can see pass to Tom Symonds to set up Brett Stewart’s try was so pretty.

Cherry-Evans was the difference in the result.

And when the game was over and the result mailed in Cherry-Evans walked around the fence at Brookvale Oval to shake the hands of the Manly faithful, many of whom adore him, on an impromptu lap.

It was as if to say, one down, 11 to go, and they responded the only way fans should, with their hearts ...

Yet it is not a lead the game should be following at the moment.

For too often lately, emotion is taking over common sense.

Last week Willie Mason urged the NRL to go back to the safe in the wall one more time to top up the contracts of the game’s best 10 players for fear they might leave and, dangerously, it is getting traction.

Already there is talk Manly is considering approaching the NRL for a “discretionary” marquee player payment to lure Sam Burgess back to the NRL.


There is a far more serious issue at stake here and it is getting lost in hysterical emotion.

It is the integrity of the competition.

The biggest issue in the game is the growing disparity between the top clubs and bottom clubs and, despite the appearance of a salary cap keeping it even, the gap is growing larger.

Say we listen to Willie, who decides what 10 players?

What about a player like Cameron Smith, a Golden Boot winner, widely regarded as one of the best three players in the game in any of the past 10 years, yet who can’t draw a sideways glance from rugby union or anywhere else because he is the wrong body shape?

What about the 10 clubs that get assistance to keep their best player above the salary cap — over the six clubs that don’t?

What if one club has two players in the top 10?


The NRL’s argument for helping Gold Coast was simple: when the tide goes up all the boats rise.

Helping Gold Coast ensures a strong playing competition from which all the players can benefit.

It was a surface argument.

No details have been leaked about how Cherry-Evans’ contract will be structured but it is clear the Gold Coast has gained a significant advantage over the other 15 clubs through no other reason than the NRL is now operating the Titans.

Even if not one cent of Cherry-Evans’ contract is taken up by NRL-endorsed third-party agreements — and there are many who believe it is — simple maths will tell you that what the Titans save on uncapped third-party agreements to Cherry-Evans can now be directed to other players.

And now a similar advantage is going to be given to Manly to offset the loss of Cherry-Evans and Kieran Foran?

Manly lost Cherry-Evans and Foran not through money. They lose them through club politics, because they managed their recruitment poorly and because the NRL helped facilitate DCE’s move to Gold Coast.

So why should the NRL help now? Through guilt?

Why should Manly get Burgess?

Why not St George Illawarra, who have lost two marquee players, Brett Morris and, next year, Trent Merrin?

Why not Canberra, who co-operated with the NRL and, at the game’s urging, released Todd Carney, Josh Dugan and Blake Ferguson for disciplinary reasons only to see them replaced by players who were a long way off Origin standard?

The Raiders haven’t been able to attract a marquee player since Mal Meninga pumped that giant fist in the air and retired after the 1994 grand final. In fan years, that is a lifetime.

Under previous administrations the NRL’s salary cap was sacrosanct. It retained the integrity of the competition.

Now, we are all being fooled into believing the salary cap is working and the competition is level, even as the same teams are starting to dominate season after season.

The marquee player payment should never be used, retained only to discourage rival codes peeping over the fence.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-salary-cap-isnt-working-and-damaging-the-integrity-of-the-competition/story-fnp0lyn3-1227265183141

Can't really disagree with any of this.

The cap is obviously broken. Is there a solution though?

The NRL can't just go around picking and choosing who gets help signing top tier players. Talk about a can of worms.
 

BuffaloRules

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Maybe we should adopt the AFL salary cap system where the Swans, Giants, Suns and Lions get massive leg ups to maximise interest in markets that don't give a f**k otherwise...
 

Doomednow

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Wank wank wank wank.

All I hear about the salary cap not working is talk. I never see any data. Over the last 10 years, or even longer, we've had wide range of teams taking out the title or at least being competitive in the finals. Some teams have had more success than others, but that's bound to happen in any system that can actually be called a competition. The two most successful teams were the Storm, who had to cheat their asses off and were caught out doing it, and Manly, who managed to keep it all together for longer than most but are now suffering for it. The least successful teams can hardly blame the salary cap for the troubles.

Looks like it's working to me. People can be bitch and speculate and say completely made-up bullshit like "It obviously doesn't work!" but it's all just hot air until someone shows me the data.
 

BunniesMan

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How is the cap not working? The most successful team of this era has been forced to lose their best 2 players. And who was able to bid the most? Two teams that haven't made the finals in 4 years (GC) and 5 years (Parra). The teams with the current longest streaks without finals footy.

So they've gone from the most consistent team to the worst 2 teams of recent history.

That's a working salary cap.
 

Noname36

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Looks like it's working to me. People can be bitch and speculate and say completely made-up bullshit like "It obviously doesn't work!" but it's all just hot air until someone shows me the data.

You seriously don't believe that do you? When some clubs can offer a player more money from a third party agreement than that under the cap it defeats the purpose of why a cap was introduced to begin with...to keep things fair and to stop clubs from spending themselves into the ground to try and compete.
 

no name

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Not sure what he is on about with the DCE -Titans deal.
The Titans were very firm favourites to get DCE weeks before the NRL took over, as reported by his fellow news cronies.
 

Warrior@Heart

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People complain that the bad teams can't compete with the good teams but what has happened with DCE and Foran is exactly what the salary cap is designed to do. Parramatta and Gold Coast (2 teams on the lower end of the scale) acquire 2 quality players which will improve their rosters. The real problem is NRL fans are a pack of whiners.
 
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BuffaloRules

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But... But... Canberra can't attract anybody...

Apart from all the players they have signed up over the past 20 years...
 

pHyR3

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why isnt it working?

closest competition on record last year if im not mistaken. no team back to back in 23 years. almost every team making a grand final in the last 10 years. titans, raiders, sharks are probably the only ones that havent. but even then sharks finished 5th in 2013, titans top 4 a few years back and raiders top 8 every 2nd year for 20 years.

and most importantly, what is the solution? dont say its shit without providing a good solution, thats an easy cop out of a whinger
 

H.H

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People complain that the bad teams can't compete with the good teams but what has happened with DCE and Foran is exactly what the salary cap is designed to do. Parramatta and Gold Coast (2 teams on the lower end of the scale) acquire 2 quality players which will improve their rosters. The real problem is NRL fans are a pack of whiners.

Here here. Nothing say nuffy more than a whining league fan.
 

Card Shark

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I think it's working reasonably well.

Some clubs are just f**ked at managing it, like a lot of things.

Paul Kent eh. Please remind me who he works for?
 

CM67

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I think it's working reasonably well.

Some clubs are just f**ked at managing it, like a lot of things.

Paul Kent eh. Please remind me who he works for?

And whose column does he ghostwrite?
Why must everyone in this game have such an obvious agenda.How great would it be to have a journalist/commentator that was fair and balanced.
PS:Steve Mascord is the exception
 

BuffaloRules

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I just find it amazing that the AFL has such blatant salary cap rorting, certain teams given draft concessions and leg ups each year, and uneven draws, yet no journo opens their mouth...

The NRL Comp is much more fairer in comparison...
 

Diesel

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It's working, it's just that the talent isn't getting shared around how it should.

The Roosters for example can lose a star and sign up an equal or better one than they lost, Bulldogs and Manly have no trouble attracting named players because they are successful clubs. Souths are another recent club that has managed to do this and Parra will once again be in this group.

It's not difficult for a successful Sydney club to attract and retain star players because these players can stay in the same city (or house) and change teams. It's not that easy for clubs based in Townsville, Canberra, Townville, NZ or a lesser degree GC, Brisbane and Melbourne.

The salary cap will only work if we have a draft but we've seen in the past that a draft can successfully be challenged.

I don't have the answer but the stronger 4 or 5 Sydney clubs are in afar better position than the other 11 clubs and always will be until there is a major overhaul
 

BuffaloRules

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It's not difficult for a successful Sydney club to attract and retain star players because these players can stay in the same city (or house) and change teams. It's not that easy for clubs based in Townsville, Canberra, Townville, NZ or a lesser degree GC, Brisbane and Melbourne.

Poor Broncos....they can't seem to attract anyone, and their junior base and Third Party sponsorship opportunities are minimal...

Should we pass the hat around?
 

RWB

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The salary cap works, but yes there are some obvious flaws.

This isn't breaking news.
 

DiegoNT

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I think it works, Eagles are the only team to win more then 1 premiership since 2003 (legally), and in the last ten years every team except canberra has made at least 1 preliminary final.
Teams can no longer buy a premiership like they could in the 70s 80s or even into the 90s and every premiership team in the last 15 years has had the majority of players who have debuted for the club or come to the club early in their career to be developed into a premiership player
 
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