Paul Whatuira: Why I wanted to kill myself

[Johnny_L_O]

There are some tools on here. He's been through a hell of a lot and has done well to get through it.

Also yes, he's still playing. He had a great game on Saturday against Wakefield. It was good to see.

 

[kia ora storm]

Quite surprised by some of the tossers on this thread attacking the person and not discussing the issue.

Pretty sad really...

 

[boxa777]

Does he expect people to call him the victim or something now?

Pretty sure the victims were actually the two people he bashed.

I understand that you're a bit distracted at the moment because your NRLCEO comp is a debacle but you're looking at this way too simplistically.

How is he not a victim here? Sure the other two are involved as well but this guy was abused at age 6. You don't get over things like that easily.

Do you think the same about your messiah Andrew Johns?

 

[Johns Magic]

How is he not a victim here?

You really think something that happened over 20 years ago justifies a random attack on two bystanders? Answer me this, what justifies physical violence? Let's hope you agree if it's two people in your family next time, and if you want to call the perpetrator the victim then...

To those people saying they hope his abuser rots in hell, maybe we should check his personal history first. After all, he could have been child abused himself and he might be the biggest victim of all...

Sure the other two are involved as well

That's a nice way of saying bashed. Believe it or not some people who weren't NRL stars were on the end of this, even if they're obviously less interesting to you.

but this guy was abused at age 6. You don't get over things like that easily.

So are many people who never decide they have to take it out on other people.

On the other side, many of history's most famous serial killers were horribly child abused. Do you hear any sympathy for them after they "lash out"? Was the Boston Strangler(years of child abuse) ever referred to as the victim after he killed 13 people?

Do you think the same about your messiah Andrew Johns?

Re: his mental illness?

Funnily enough, that is a good point.

Whatuira randomly attacks two innocent bystanders and it's all "poor Fatz" and "he is the victim here".

Yet another mentally ill person pops a pill and he's the scum of the earth...

 

[Garts]

I agree to some degree with Johns Magic. Terribly sad what happened to Whatuira but does not justify what he did.

 

[boxa777]

You really think something that happened over 20 years ago justifies a random attack on two bystanders? Answer me this, what justifies physical violence? Let's hope you agree if it's two people in your family next time, and if you want to call the perpetrator the victim then....

I have never justified the attack, just giving the argument some balance. I'm sure he feels the regret about it also. But it's not as simple as saying two people were bashed - end of story.

Re: his mental illness?

Funnily enough, that is a good point.

Whatuira randomly attacks two innocent bystanders and it's all "poor Fatz" and "he is the victim here".

Yet another mentally ill person pops a pill and he's the scum of the earth...

Nice of you to downplay the Andrew Johns situation. I guess that kind of line of thinking got Johns in the position he finished in.

He's not the scum of the earth. The people behind the scenes that were aware of his illness and his drug-taking yet hid it because it is Andrew Johns are the scum of the earth.

 

[Johns Magic]

I have never justified the attack, just giving the argument some balance. I'm sure he feels the regret about it also. But it's not as simple as saying two people were bashed - end of story.

Would you give the argument some balance if it was some random criminal and not Paul Whatuira? Somehow I doubt you'd go to the same depths of your heart...

Nice of you to downplay the Andrew Johns situation. I guess that kind of line of thinking got Johns in the position he finished in. He's not the scum of the earth. The people behind the scenes that were aware of his illness and his drug-taking yet hid it because it is Andrew Johns are the scum of the earth.

Look I'm not here to talk about Andrew Johns, that's a completely different topic which to be honest bores me. Plus the moment I try to say taking drugs is not as bad as bashing two innocent people, watch all the idiots come out screaming bias, despite the fact it's true.

Back to the point, I sympathise with Whatuira for what he went through as a child. But I'm not going to take his side in this whole thing just because he's an NRL player with an excuse. Nothing excuses physical violence, particularly 20+ years after the event.

 

[boxa777]

Would you give the argument some balance if it was some random criminal and not Paul Whatuira? Somehow I doubt you'd go to the same depths of your heart...

Gotcha.. Your arguments are based on assumptions. It doesn't matter to me that it is Whatuira. I don't even like the guy as a player so it is irrelevant. I'd say the same about Joe Bloggs.

No-one is condoning the bashings but there shouldn't be a time limit on how long it takes someone to get over something like what Whatuira is experiencing.

And if you want to start measuring crimes, yes Whatuira's bashing is worse than Andrew Johns drug taking for 10 years where he tarnished his name forever. But the crime subjected onto Whatuira at age 6 overshadows both comfortably hence the need for balance amongst your 'off with the head' analysis.

 

[Johns Magic]

Gotcha.. Your arguments are based on assumptions. It doesn't matter to me that it is Whatuira. I don't even like the guy as a player so it is irrelevant. I'd say the same about Joe Bloggs.

Firstly, that's not my argument at all. My argument is that what happened to him 22 years ago doesn't excuse what he did. There is absolutely no assumption there.

And yeah, you really have shown that you have the same level of sympathy for the average man. Calling them "the other two" who were "involved"...then in the same post pouring your heart out for the NRL star who bashed them and labelling him the "victim".

You sound really impartial.

No-one is condoning the bashings but there shouldn't be a time limit on how long it takes someone to get over something like what Whatuira is experiencing.

No he has an excuse for bashing people his whole life according to you...

He controlled himself for 20+ years. There was an element of control here whether you like to admit it or not.

And if you want to start measuring crimes, yes Whatuira's bashing is worse than Andrew Johns drug taking for 10 years where he tarnished his name forever. But the crime subjected onto Whatuira at age 6 overshadows both comfortably hence the need for balance amongst your 'off with the head' analysis.

So two wrongs make a right. Ok then...

 

[boxa777]

Pointless continuing on the same route as I have already made it clear I don't condone the attacks and you've made it clear that Whatuira is not a victim in this situation.

Calling them "the other two" who were "involved"...then in the same post pouring your heart out for the NRL star who bashed them and labelling him the "victim".

No he has an excuse for bashing people his whole life according to you...

Two statements by you that indicate that you need to embellish things to assist your flawed argument. haha @ pouring my heart out.

 

[Plumplechook]

I remember my dad smacked me once when I was a kid. So I'm a victim don't ya see?

Now I'm gonna find me a couple of innocent by-standers to beat the cr*p out of. But I won't be to blame - it's all dad's fault.

From now on this will be known as 'the Whatuira defence'.

 

[Kiki]

oh my god. you moron.

 

[Kiki]

I agree with Kiki. He has obviously suffered a hell of a lot.

To admit either abuse or mental illness is virtually impossible for a lot of people.

Hopefully this purge will be the first few steps on the road to recovery and a long and proud parenthood; and a happy life sharing it with his partner, who obviously loves him.

thanks champ, glad to see you feel the same way.

my god there is some idiots in this thread though. lack of empathy and the ability to understand a situation that differs to their own. pathetic.

 

[Garts]

Some of the comments are very harsh, however I can see why some might doubt his reason for coming out with this. No one has heard or seen of his problems then all of sudden he is in trouble and uses them as a "get out". Dont get me wrong, what happened to him is terrible and I would not have been telling people either but I can see how some would be sceptical about his reasons for bringing them into the open now.

 

[Perth Red]

As he has said the imminent birth of his child has raised alot of the things he had deeply buried. No its not an "excuse" but having worked in mental health for 20+ years (and been bashed a couple of times in my job) most people have little or no understanding of the human mind and what it can do. I have seen genuinly mentally ill people do stuff you wouldn't imagine, not because they are choosing to do it but because their illness is making them do it. I can only hope the knobs on here that have no empathy never have to go through it or have a family member doing it tough with these illnesses. Sad to see that after all this time alot of people still have no concept of mental illness and its impact.

 

[Evil Homer]

Gee there are some morons here. You do realise he was in a hospital because he hadn't slept for 6 days and was hallucinating as a result, he discharged himself at 4AM and attacked these guys at 6AM on a Tuesday morning? He was then taken to a mental hospital and kept there for nearly 2 weeks? It's not as if he got into a bar fight or something and then tried to make up an excuse. FWIW this all came out months ago, I don't know why it is only just being reported in Australia. This article explains it better:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/spo...ental-illness-that-nearly-ended-his-life.html

 

[Kiki]

Some of the comments are very harsh, however I can see why some might doubt his reason for coming out with this. No one has heard or seen of his problems then all of sudden he is in trouble and uses them as a "get out". Dont get me wrong, what happened to him is terrible and I would not have been telling people either but I can see how some would be sceptical about his reasons for bringing them into the open now.

ummmm what sorta big tough footy player wants to own up and admit he was not only sexually abused as a child but suffers a severe mental illness?

well said Evil Homer.

 

[Garts]

ummmm what sorta big tough footy player wants to own up and admit he was not only sexually abused as a child but suffers a severe mental illness?

well said Evil Homer.

ummm, probably not many. Please note I said I also would not want to admit something like this. I was just playing devils advocate saying I could understand why some would be skeptical with this coming out now, right after attacking a couple of people. Some people use anything as an excuse to justify their actions. Do I think he is? No. But he definately had to come clean with his past to explain why he did what he did.

 

[Johns Magic]

thanks champ, glad to see you feel the same way.

my god there is some idiots in this thread though. lack of empathy and the ability to understand a situation that differs to their own. pathetic.

God you sound like the KFC ad all over again...