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Penrith demand puts Puletua in the balance for Kiwis

*Sandy*

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But where are the quotes carl? That's what I want to see! Journalists write what they think adds value to their article in my opinion and I only believe the quotes.
 

kaza_79

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carlnz said:
Penrith said the decision was up to him, now they have turned around and said no he is not going...T wants to play...Big Joe and T was one of the main reasons Penrith won last year, and what a way to thank him..

F U Penrith, I hope you guys lose again next year, I hope he doesnt want to play hard at all next year....stopping a player for playing for his country...Penrith will be the most hated team in NZ..and hopefully the NRL..

woah, thats a bit harsh. No need for that. Can you blame penrith for wanting to protect its player. If he waits till after the test and doesn't play at the beginning of next season, the Panthers suffer. If it was the other way round, and there was an aussie who played for the warriors in the same position would you still be shooting off at the mouth.

Having said that, I think it would be great for Him to play in the test, but if it doesn't happen, build a bridge. He will be around for a few years and there is still a few tests in him.
 

Big Mick

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carlnz said:
Yes I would because with out International; Rugby League the game will die..

Bullshit!

Lets say Steve Price had an ankle injury, and could tour for Australia, and he had a choice to play for his country, or sustain further injury and miss the first 6-8 weeks of the season next year. I guarentee the Warriors would stop him from playing

So don't give me that bullshit Carl!

Bulldogs are doing the Same thing with Utai and noone says a thing, so go preach the way your preaching with us to the Bulldogs before you put shit on us.

Think about the example. If Price had the risk of being out for 6-8 weeks of the regular season, your tune would change quickly.
 

Iafeta

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I guarantee they wouldn't, actually Big Mick. Not a sh!t show that the Warriors would stop a player from representing in Origin or Australian, they'd consider it a MASSIVE honour for them to represent there. The experience those players would bring back to the Warriors would be invaluable. I'm sure if Mick Watson had a slight injury cloud over Steven Price, he'd say to hell with it, good luck with Queensland - A: for the happiness he'd derive from it B: the fans getting to see a clubman of their own achieving success in an elite field C: the experience and ideas he brings back to the club's younger players and the aura he then gets held in.

The odds have significantly shortened for Tony Puletua to ask to test the market when his contract comes up next.

Big Mick, Chris Hanna who is a university lecturer and club doctor, and Dr John Mayhew who was the All Blacks famous medico for many, many, many, many decades have both given their opinions that Tony would be fine to start playing round 1 next year regardless of whether or not he goes on the tour. I'd put more faith in their opinion then Penrith's pigheadedness.

I can see any jersey sales Penrith had in New Zealand suddenly dropping dramatically with this stance. Very pigheaded indeed. The new Roosters?

Fibro man, Tony Puletua would consider it an unfair comment if you genuinely believed he had more faith in the Panthers than in his own country. The Kiwis mean plenty to this bloke, the fact Penrith are denying him of achieving his dreams and goals is quite frankly very rank and deserving of any long term mental or contractual retrubution Tony, and other Kiwis such as Joe Galuvao give to the Panthers.
 

Big Mick

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Refer to our little tussle in NRL section Iafeta.

I'll agree with you when I see a quote from Tony, ok.

Don't compare us to the Roosters. Thats just stupid.
 

*Sandy*

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Iafeta said:
Big Mick, Chris Hanna who is a university lecturer and club doctor, and Dr John Mayhew who was the All Blacks famous medico for many, many, many, many decades have both given their opinions that Tony would be fine to start playing round 1 next year regardless of whether or not he goes on the tour. I'd put more faith in their opinion then Penrith's pigheadedness.

Can you please link us to this information?
 

carlnz

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New Zealand strike forward Tony Puletua will reluctantly have ankle surgery next week after Penrith threatened to impose financial sanctions if he did not return
home following tomorrow's opening Tri-Nations match against Australia.

Despite former All Blacks doctor John Mayhew advising that Puletua would need only six weeks' recovery from the operation, the Panthers have refused to allow him to play out the tournament and the New Zealand Rugby League last night conceded defeat.

NZRL general manager Peter Cordtz said the 25-year-old second-rower was bitterly disappointed but had been left with little choice after Penrith officials warned he would be in breach of his contract if he did not have the surgery as scheduled next Thursday.

"I really feel for Tony," Cordtz said. "I think he has been unfairly sandwiched between his desire to play for the Kiwis and the demands of his club in this.

"People were asking what could Penrith do if he just went to England and played anyway. There's no way they would release a player of his quality, but they made it clear they would hit Tony fairly heavily in the hip pocket and we certainly didn't want to do anything that would hurt him.


"It's just disappointing

because the independent assessment and review carried out by Dr Mayhew today supported the view of our doctor, and indeed the specialist used by Penrith, that delaying the surgery would neither affect his long-term rehabilitation or ability to play next season.

"But when I spoke to [Penrith chief executive] Mick Leary this afternoon and asked him if he'd seen the copy of Dr Mayhew's report we'd sent through, he said that he hadn't but it didn't matter. The club expected him home and he made it clear that should Tony choose to tour against their wishes, there would be financial and legal ramifications for him."

New Zealand coach Daniel Anderson said Puletua was shattered by the news but realised that he also had an obligation to Penrith.

"Tony wants to go. They are very passionate young men but they also understand both sides," Anderson said. "It's a quandary. The NRL basically runs rugby league in the southern hemisphere and the clubs provide the salaries, so hence they dictate to their employees like any workplace agreement.

"The difference here is that most of these boys are desperate to represent their country, and if everyone wants international rugby league to flourish, we need to have the best players to play."

Cordtz said he would raise at the end of the tournament the issue of clubs pressuring players to withdraw from the Kiwis, and questioned whether Puletua would have been placed in such a situation had he been in the Australian side.

"As I understand it, only [Kangaroos doctor] Hugh Hazard, the NRL's chief medical officer, can rule players out of the Australian team," Cordtz said. "We don't have that luxury."

Australia coach Wayne Bennett expressed sympathy for the Kiwis' plight and suggested the Rugby League International Federation should have the same powers to rule on player availability that soccer's governing body, FIFA, had.
 

carlnz

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"Tony is off contract with them next year. Anyone with half a brain knows Penrith wouldn't drop one of the most damaging forwards in the NRL, but they said he would be in breach of his contract and would face financial penalties."
 

Big Mick

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Carl,. I'm yet to see a quote by Tony.

All i'm hearing is "Tony said this", "Tony said that"

GIve me what Tony is ACTUALLY saying, then i'll support your argument. Until then is just crap spurting from both sides.

I want to hear what Puletua has to say.
 

Big Mick

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No Shit that Tony would be upset about missing a test cap. But has anyone actually spoken to him about the operation?

Has anyone actually seen a real quote from TONY!, not some f**kwit official? NO!

Tony could be saying "I really want to go, but you know I need to have this surgey"

And then all the Kiwi's jump on the bandwagon, oh oh oh, but you said you wanted to go!

As far as I see it. Unless i see a quote from Tony saying "Because of Penrith, I missed out on the test, i wouldn't have missed round 1 either way, I'm terrribly disappointed at this treatment" then I wont believe any of the crap spitting from both sides, thats NEw Zealand and Penrith.
 

kaza_79

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carlnz said:
"It's a quandary. The NRL basically runs rugby league in the southern hemisphere and the clubs provide the salaries, so hence they dictate to their employees like any workplace agreement.

This quote says it all. He is on Penriths payroll, His first responsiblity is to them. Playing for NZ is an honour, but one he will have to miss this year, so he can be fit to play next year.
 

mightypanther

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No sh*t that Tony would be upset about missing a test cap. But has anyone actually spoken to him about the operation?

Has anyone actually seen a real quote from TONY!, not some f***wit official? NO!

Tony could be saying "I really want to go, but you know I need to have this surgey"

And then all the Kiwi's jump on the bandwagon, oh oh oh, but you said you wanted to go!

As far as I see it. Unless i see a quote from Tony saying "Because of Penrith, I missed out on the test, i wouldn't have missed round 1 either way, I'm terrribly disappointed at this treatment" then I wont believe any of the crap spitting from both sides, thats NEw Zealand and Penrith.


EXACTLY Big Mick,

These Warriors fans are automatically believing every single thing they see written in the New Zealand papers........assuming that every word is gospel simply because it comes from the heirarchy of their country's league.

They are assuming that every single thing quoted by Penrith officials is automatically a lie...............why ??? Because they are saying things that the New Zealand fans don't want to hear.

I would not believe anything that came out of the mouths of the New Zealand doctors, as I believe they said exactly whatever the New Zealand league heirarchy wanted them to say. Just as the New Zealand fans believe that the Aussie doctors are saying exactly what Penrith want them to say.

So it's basically a stalemate. I won't believe a word that comes out of anyone's mouth until I actually see Tony standing in front of a camera on TV, saying that he wanted to play no matter what, and that he only believes what the New Zealand doctors say, that he believes that the Aussie doctors are lying to please Penrith, and that he is angry with Penrith for not letting him play.

Until that happens.........I basically don't give a stuff about this subject any more. It's been blown WAY out of proportion.

Nobody has given a stuff about Utai, Galuvao, Rauhihi or any of the others who have pulled out with injury. Where is THEIR proof that their injuries are any more urgent or need any longer rehabilitation time than Tony's ???

I think it's time that the New Zealand fans go whinge to their hearts content on their own forums, because they've already done WAY more than their fair share here.

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shiznit

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Nobody has given a stuff about Utai, Galuvao, Rauhihi or any of the others who have pulled out with injury. Where is THEIR proof that their injuries are any more urgent or need any longer rehabilitation time than Tony's ???

Every player that goes into camp gets checked over by Chris and the medical staff (who has all the players medical records on hand). that means that the 3 players you named were all given medical checks and came to the same diagnosis as what there clubs gave them.

This whole debacle started when they did Puletua's medical and they saw its not as bad as the diagnosis penrith originally produced. they then went and got an independent diagnosis from a well respected source in Doc Mayhew and he confirmed what Chris did.

as far as i see the NZRL have done everything right and the fact that penrith wont even look at the results show that they never intended to leave the decision up to Tony himself.

dont be suprised if this isnt the last on this subject as ive heard from someone in the camp that both he and Joe Gulavao have been really dirty on the club about this. they said something pretty nasty but i couldnt get it out of my mate. hopefully its just because there in the build up to a test so there all pumped full of kiwi pride. i think as soon as they get back into penrith mode they should calm down abit. i hate seeing clubs go through infighting.
 

carlnz

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Face your club is turing into the Roosters...you keep going on and on and on about the qoute...ill ask him after the game tomorrow...at the after match function

Tony will leave next year and go to a club that looks after him...and Joe should follow once his contract runs out, and then when Gower leaves you goes will be back to the wooden spoon...

Just face it, your club ahs done the dirty on NZ, the player himself, and I cant wait to see you guys lose all your players and you wonder why that is happening....you think Tony is going to be happy going back to Penrith?? Fat chance...

"Tony wants to go. They are very passionate young men but they also understand both sides," Anderson said.

From the Coach...hmmmmmmm
 

kaza_79

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Carl your arguement has gone from annoying to just plain pathetic. :roll:

If Tony leaves Penrith next year, so be it. If that is what he wants no one can stop him. Until that time, he is on the Penrith payroll and he has to do what they say. Same with another employer.

So why don't you build a bridge and get over it. Its not the last test that is going to be played. Tony will be back next year playing for NZ in the Anzac day test. (unless he plays in England, makes the injury worse, and has to miss the first part of the season)
 

carlnz

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Whos to say that his form will not be affected by what has happen? it could start something that happen to the Warriors this season
 
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Big Mick said:
carlnz said:
Yes I would because with out International; Rugby League the game will die..

bullsh*t!

Lets say Steve Price had an ankle injury, and could tour for Australia, and he had a choice to play for his country, or sustain further injury and miss the first 6-8 weeks of the season next year. I guarentee the Warriors would stop him from playing

So don't give me that bullsh*t Carl!

Bulldogs are doing the Same thing with Utai and noone says a thing, so go preach the way your preaching with us to the Bulldogs before you put sh*t on us.

Think about the example. If Price had the risk of being out for 6-8 weeks of the regular season, your tune would change quickly.

the thing with tony pulutua is that he will be ready for next season even if he goes on the tour. he had an independent medical and he backed up the nzrl stance, if the same was with steven price i would let price go to!

with utai that was said ages ago he wouldn't be touring around the time the first semi was on (in fact it was said he would miss all games but then made himself available for the auckland test), penrith management only told the nzrl last week they wanted joe gaulavo and tony pulutua to not tour. can't wait until hes off contract as playing for the kiwis is a big deal for BIG T.
 
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