Peter Beatte NRL 360 - expansion

[Pommy]

RL made a decision long ago that we would rather be dictators of a suburb than be partners in an empire. RL people are only interested in preserving their own power.

And the few people who come into the game with a different mindset are immediately driven out...

This is 100% correct in international league Australia are content to be the biggest fish in a puddle and the fans over in England are just death riding Toronto.

 

[Stallion]

This is 100% correct in international league Australia are content to be the biggest fish in a puddle and the fans over in England are just death riding Toronto.

Containment and constrainment of rugby league in action!

 

[Pommy]

Containment and constrainment of rugby league in action!

All by people inside the game.

 

[Stallion]

All by people inside the game.

Absolutely! No doubt pleasing the wishes of other rival codes at the same time.

 

[Perth Red]

Containment and constrainment of rugby league in action!

Sounds like your advocating for dumping the suburban dead weight and opening up the game to big city clubs and big money backers?

 

[flippikat]

- The ARL and SL wanted the EXACT SAME F*CKING THING!!!! Seriously, read the 1992 Bradley report (ARLs plan for a national comp) then read the proposals Ribot&co made to NewsLtd. They are identical! The only thing they could not agree on was who should run the game. The ARL/NSWRL old boyz wanted to keep full control, while NewsLtd wanted new people to take SOME spots in the executive.

Has the actual report ever been published, or leaked?

Although the transfer of the competition from NSWRL to ARL was enacted in 1995 (which I gather was one of the suggestions from the report), is there any firm evidence that the powers-that-be were preparing for a Sydney cull - before Superleague popped up - as per the report recommendations?

I know there's been quotes attributed to various administrators as early as the 1980s, but was there any tangible work done towards it? Wikipedia suggests a 10k home crowd average as a benchmark, which ruled out an awful lot of Sydney clubs.

 

[Pommy]

Sounds like your advocating for dumping the suburban dead weight and opening up the game to big city clubs and big money backers?

Unlikely

 

[tri_colours]

Ehh, in sure they said the same when PayTV started buying up games. This is just what progress looks like...

In the short term, it will mean NRL isnt dependent on FOX and has some alternatives. In the longer term, directly selling the content will bring more money in and will give the NRL greater control over their image.

I know plenty of people who only sign up to FOX for RL and hate that they have to pay for 1000 channels they will never watch. I reckon most people will be stoked that a year of WatchNRL will cost about the same as a month of Austar

Regardless of who won the Packer-Murdoch PayTV battle, Australia was always going to end up with only 1 provider.

The only way we are ever gonna change that is with a publicly owned cable system that all companies have equal access to (you ever wonder why Murdoch was so keen to kill the NBN?)



Several points:
- ARL sold the PayTV F&L rights to Packer for almost nothing, knowing that they were about to become VERY valuable (f*ck up)
- ARL only sold the Rights to NSWRL. As SL showed, all we needed was a big restructuring to make


Packer's TV rights void. But Packer was one of the boyz, so they did make a deal the huge money Murdoch was offering(f*ck up)
ARL.

And that is only talking about the TV rights. The ARLs stupidity went much further:
- ARL decided to only sign clubs to one-year agreements. Then, who ever would have guessed, suddenly a whole bunch of them decide not to renew and leave all together (Biggest f*ck up imaginable)


- The ARL and SL wanted the EXACT SAME F*CKING THING!!!! Seriously, read the 1992 Bradley report (ARLs plan for a national comp) then read the proposals Ribot&co made to NewsLtd. They are identical! The only thing they could not agree on was who should run the game. The ARL/NSWRL old boyz wanted to keep full control, while NewsLtd wanted new people to take SOME spots in the executive.

Everyone keeps talking about how RL never gets any breaks, how we dont have any rich friends growing the game and how the game is stuck in the small pockets where its already popular.

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Why would they say that? The promise of being able to watch every game and your own team every week was the original carrot dangled in front of us. If they can no longer deliver on that then it would seem the exact opposite of progress .



According to Arthurson the game had never been in better shape.

As I said previously Quayle and Arko were ex footballers running a football competition. With little to no knowledge when it came to breaking contracts .

Packer payed $1`million. They didn't give it away as you make o

I think most people would have preferred that they had made a deal. They didn't so what was the ARL supposed to do? Packer was the owner and as such the decision was totally up to him, Not the ARL..


We want wealthy friends supporting the game not owning the game.

 

[tri_colours]

[QUOTE="Hello, I'm The Doctor,

 

[Stallion]

Kent Arthurson has admitted that the diluting/carving up of existing /established clubs (therefore fan bases ) was a MISTAKE! The superleague(or whatever) logic was wrong. Destroying existing clubs and fan bases does not and still does not make good sense for business or the code going forward.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Containment and constrainment of rugby league in action!

Yeh, if only the game wasnt so Sydney focused......

 

[Stallion]

Yeh, if only the game wasnt so Sydney focused......

Different context. Referring to the international game. That's where the alarmingly poor decisions are being made. Surely the Kangaroos v LIONS should have been a priority fixture for the 2019 Lionset tour but it's not. This is a damming fact and the administrators should desperately be wanting the World nines to fill the void as a success. Otherwise another wasted international calendar year for rugby league.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Why would they say that? The promise of being able to watch every game and your own team every week was the original carrot dangled in front of us. If they can no longer deliver on that then it would seem the exact opposite of progress .

That was a promise made by FOX, and customers pay a lot for that opportunity.

The responsibility of theARLC is to the sport, not the broadcaster. If the ARLC can find a nother option that is better for the game and for the supporters, they should take it.

According to Arthurson the game had never been in better shape.

As I said previously Quayle and Arko were ex footballers running a football competition. With little to no knowledge when it came to breaking contracts .

Packer payed $1`million. They didn't give it away as you make o

I think most people would have preferred that they had made a deal. They didn't so what was the ARL supposed to do? Packer was the owner and as such the decision was totally up to him, Not the ARL..

This is my whole point. Ex-footballers are not automatically great business people, and when they get a bit of power, they do anything to protect their position even if it is bad for the game.

We want wealthy friends supporting the game not owning the game.

But anyone puttion in $million/billions will want a voice.

SL isnt even the only example of the ARL. They successfully conquered Brisbane/BRL then just expected the Broncos to sit quietly.

Power doesnt just flow down. If we want this new wealth, we need to accept there will stings attached.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Kent Arthurson has admitted that the diluting/carving up of existing /established clubs (therefore fan bases ) was a MISTAKE! The superleague(or whatever) logic was wrong. Destroying existing clubs and fan bases does not and still does not make good sense for business or the code going forward.

So do they regret killing the BRL or do they only consider the NSWRL clubs to be a protected species?

 

[tri_colours]

That was a promise made by FOX, and customers pay a lot for that opportunity.

The responsibility of theARLC is to the sport, not the broadcaster. If the ARLC can find a nother option that is better for the game and for the supporters, they should take it.



This is my whole point. Ex-footballers are not automatically great business people, and when they get a bit of power, they do anything to protect their position even if it is bad for the game.


But anyone puttion in $million/billions will want a voice.

SL isnt even the only example of the ARL. They successfully conquered Brisbane/BRL then just expected the Broncos to sit quietly.

Power doesnt just flow down. If we want this new wealth, we need to accept there will stings attached.

 

[tri_colours]

The ARLC responsibility should be to the game and the fans of the game.

The clubs and there fans.


And what a great job News Ltd done. Taking all the profits out of the game for 15 years while the game itself was given just enough to survive and make News more bucks

The ARL gave the Brisbane franchise to a consortium of stock brokers. . Now that was a mistake!

So what was so wrong with the purchaser of the rights, Optus and others working with the ARL?
And continuing to take the game forward. And what was so very right about a hostile take over that set the game back years?

And your last statement is simply rubbish. They never stopped winging from day one , they wanted everything there way They felt they were more important than everybody else .

And Brisbane was far from the only Queensland club that they introduced during there tenure.

 

[Perth Red]

Different context. Referring to the international game. That's where the alarmingly poor decisions are being made. Surely the Kangaroos v LIONS should have been a priority fixture for the 2019 Lionset tour but it's not. This is a damming fact and the administrators should desperately be wanting the World nines to fill the void as a success. Otherwise another wasted international calendar year for rugby league.

Wrong forum mate, you want to be in the international one!

Can you give a reference to your claim about what Arthurson has allegedly said post his pushing for Sydney rationalisation in the late 80's?

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

The ARLC responsibility should be to the game and the fans of the game.


The clubs and there fans.


And what a great job News Ltd done. Taking all the profits out of the game for 15 years while the game itself was given just enough to survive and make News more bucks

This really undercuts your point about the tv rights. NewsLtd has drunk RL dry, its RLs time to cut NewsLtd out of go direct to the consumer with NRL.com and WatchNRL.

The ARL gave the Brisbane franchise to a consortium of stock brokers. . Now that was a mistake!

Yeh, my point is that the ARL were shockingly incompetent. This is more evidence....

So what was so wrong with the purchaser of the rights, Optus and others working with the ARL?
And continuing to take the game forward. And what was so very right about a hostile take over that set the game back years?

ARL did nothing to secure the clubs to longer competition contracts, nothing to sign the players centrally to the ARL and nothing to satisfy the multi-billion dollar company that wanted a slice of the game.

Doing any one of these 3 things would have stopped SL before it began. It takes an especially stupid bunch of guys to successfully alienate all 3 groups at once.

Its like the were begging for SL to happen...

And your last statement is simply rubbish. They never stopped winging from day one , they wanted everything there way They felt they were more important than everybody else .

And Brisbane was far from the only Queensland club that they introduced during there tenure.

The Broncos singlehandedly took all of the wealth of the BRL and redirected it into the NSWRL coffers. Of course, they felt entitled, they were nearly as valuable to the NSWRL as all of the Sydney clubs combined.

But the NSWRL just would not accept that the centre of power had changed. It would not have been a hard situation to balance, but lets say it together; the ARL people were f*cking stupid. They could have split the Brisbane power with a few more teams (thats how they dominated the Sydney market, keeping the clubs squabbling among themselves) or they could have invited Brisbane reps onto the NSWRL/ARL board to begin a proper power-sharing agreement

 

[Perth Red]

Do we think nrl digital subscription can surpass fox revenue? Fox currently pay around $190mill a year plus production costs.
@$20 a month that would require approx 700k subscribers plus decent advertising revenue.

Not sure nrl could generate that many digital subscribers?

 

[Stallion]

So do they regret killing the BRL or do they only consider the NSWRL clubs to be a protected species?

Point taken. However the NRL basis stems from Sydney .It's these very clubs that have been accepted into the general public eye courtesy of free to air tv coverage. This is the advantage these very well known clubs have over lesser known clubs from elsewhere. That's the way it is. Respect such clubs or lose the farm plot!