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Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

taipan

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Id like someone before we go to tv rights again that doesn't cost the game $400million due to sht negotiations? Yeh.
Smith's rogue deal with Nine was huge as he calls it during a lonely press conference, this just enraged Murdoch( a ruthless SOB )and one who can influence elections both here and in the U.S) to the extent he held back and then knowing he needed the NRL finally negotiated.
But because Murdoch knew he was the major revenue source for the NRL, and he felt slighted by
Smith not following prior procedures(ie FTA network and Cable(Fox) working in liaison also like the AFL.

Murdoch was in a far stronger negotiating position using emotional pressure to get a deal that wasn't over the top, probably less than the NRL could have got by not jumping the gun and going solo.
Bear in mind in 2020 Nein cried poor mouth( IMO because they paid too much for their earlier deal) and used COVID as an assist to cut back on the deal's value by a decent margin.

You can continue to bluster about $400m, but one more time, unless it's like for like ,it's flipping meaningless.And b*gger me you still don't get it.

TV networks have learned to pay on the basis of ability to do so ,based on the revenue they receive and we know where the stations get their revenue.
 
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taipan

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Actually the reason for that “drop” was because, under DSmith, the NRL just started forcing clubs to tell the truth in the crowd numbers

I remember, it came out that Manly were reporting crowds above their capacity…
Point taken ,yes there had been inflation with crowds at times, but if my memory is correct he was aiming for 20K crowds and only now seems to be getting closer to the mark.Bear in mind when Grant took over from 2016 and working up to 2019 only averaged about 15K.So the early fudging wasn't anywhere near over the top.Grant also was hardly a world beater, although he paled the game as an International.
Not even worth comparing crowds during the 2020/21 COVID bum years, they were naturally ordinary.
 

Wb1234

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Yeh so

fluff

gallops the one that made it an issue and led to massive growth

the nrl used to run competitions between clubs remember that ?
 

Storm80

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Haha and just like that PVL does a complete 180 on Perth team. He’s now suddenly pro Perth.

Hopefully the West Australian article can be seen.

PVL saying that it’s Uncle Nick that’s the visionary that wants to get to 20 teams quicker.

I love the line from PVL - “And it’s all funded by the broadcaster from the extra content” hahaha

Exactly what the Perth Red types and us accused “AFL lovers” on here get abused for saying - Perth is where you get more ratings growth with 2.7m people in WA which then maximises the tv rights deal. And you use the extra money from TV rights to fund participation.

This is so funny, PVL is actually spruiking the AFL model now. Exactly why the Suns and Giants exist. To get more cash in TV rights. It would seem it’s Uncle Nick that got in PVLs ear and told him to change strategy.

Now… imagine how much quicker NRL could’ve got to 20 teams had NRL not got outflanked by AFL in media rights? That extra $500m would have been a phenomenal kick start to expanding to 20 teams and being in a better position to give players a better deal in CBA negotiations.

It’s almost like narrow mindedness on playing the game in two states has cost the code millions in revenue over the past 20 years… Wait did I say “It’s almost like”?? I meant “It’s a certainty that…” etc etc.

Imagine being so stupid over the past 25 years, and PVL has been dense on this issue since he come on as a board member, that you didnt see the easy money on offer in Perth and completely missed out on WAs mining boom and getting much more sponsorships and corporate partnerships over the past two decades. Your talking about hundreds of millions of dollars on offer at your door step. No betting agencies or delusions of grandeur in USA involved. Just purely putting a team based in Perth, backed by government and watching the money roll in as the tv rights deals increases exponentially.

Anyways, maybe PVL lurks on this forum - cause he sure seems to be stealing some great ideas from a few of us “fumbleballers” on here haha
 

mave

Coach
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Actually the reason for that “drop” was because, under DSmith, the NRL just started forcing clubs to tell the truth in the crowd numbers

I remember, it came out that Manly were reporting crowds above their capacity…

Have you got any sort of source for this?

I'd wager Manly were under-reporting over the years to soften their liabilities to council.
 

Canard

Immortal
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Have you got any sort of source for this?

I'd wager Manly were under-reporting over the years to soften their liabilities to council.

You're giving him to much credit, it's all just a bit of bullshit he created, as he is clearly some sort of troll.

How would you enforce such an edict anyway? Threaten the 17 year kid at the turnstiles with jail time if he doesn't provide the exact count?
 

Pneuma

First Grade
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Haha and just like that PVL does a complete 180 on Perth team. He’s now suddenly pro Perth.

Hopefully the West Australian article can be seen.

PVL saying that it’s Uncle Nick that’s the visionary that wants to get to 20 teams quicker.

I love the line from PVL - “And it’s all funded by the broadcaster from the extra content” hahaha

Exactly what the Perth Red types and us accused “AFL lovers” on here get abused for saying - Perth is where you get more ratings growth with 2.7m people in WA which then maximises the tv rights deal. And you use the extra money from TV rights to fund participation.

This is so funny, PVL is actually spruiking the AFL model now. Exactly why the Suns and Giants exist. To get more cash in TV rights. It would seem it’s Uncle Nick that got in PVLs ear and told him to change strategy.

Now… imagine how much quicker NRL could’ve got to 20 teams had NRL not got outflanked by AFL in media rights? That extra $500m would have been a phenomenal kick start to expanding to 20 teams and being in a better position to give players a better deal in CBA negotiations.

It’s almost like narrow mindedness on playing the game in two states has cost the code millions in revenue over the past 20 years… Wait did I say “It’s almost like”?? I meant “It’s a certainty that…” etc etc.

Imagine being so stupid over the past 25 years, and PVL has been dense on this issue since he come on as a board member, that you didnt see the easy money on offer in Perth and completely missed out on WAs mining boom and getting much more sponsorships and corporate partnerships over the past two decades. Your talking about hundreds of millions of dollars on offer at your door step. No betting agencies or delusions of grandeur in USA involved. Just purely putting a team based in Perth, backed by government and watching the money roll in as the tv rights deals increases exponentially.

Anyways, maybe PVL lurks on this forum - cause he sure seems to be stealing some great ideas from a few of us “fumbleballers” on here haha
Potato
 

Wb1234

Referee
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Have you got any sort of source for this?

I'd wager Manly were under-reporting over the years to soften their liabilities to council.
I remember something along this lines smith did want more honesty but it mayve been memberships not crowds

but manly used t claim crowds over 25k at Brookie then more recent games it’s packed and announced at 15k or less
 

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