Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[mongoose]

West Coast have reported 100k+ members for the last 3 seasons, and their crowds average in 2023 is ~40k.

GWS have 4 million members and their crowds are like 4k

 

[Desert Qlder]

AFL fans want to plant the seed that the huge crowds increases in the NRL this year are being fudged.

FUD 101.

 

[taipan]

Id like someone before we go to tv rights again that doesn't cost the game $400million due to sht negotiations? Yeh.

Smith's rogue deal with Nine was huge as he calls it during a lonely press conference, this just enraged Murdoch( a ruthless SOB )and one who can influence elections both here and in the U.S) to the extent he held back and then knowing he needed the NRL finally negotiated.
But because Murdoch knew he was the major revenue source for the NRL, and he felt slighted by
Smith not following prior procedures(ie FTA network and Cable(Fox) working in liaison also like the AFL.

Murdoch was in a far stronger negotiating position using emotional pressure to get a deal that wasn't over the top, probably less than the NRL could have got by not jumping the gun and going solo.
Bear in mind in 2020 Nein cried poor mouth( IMO because they paid too much for their earlier deal) and used COVID as an assist to cut back on the deal's value by a decent margin.

You can continue to bluster about $400m, but one more time, unless it's like for like ,it's flipping meaningless.And b*gger me you still don't get it.

TV networks have learned to pay on the basis of ability to do so ,based on the revenue they receive and we know where the stations get their revenue.

 

[taipan]

Actually the reason for that “drop” was because, under DSmith, the NRL just started forcing clubs to tell the truth in the crowd numbers

I remember, it came out that Manly were reporting crowds above their capacity…

Point taken ,yes there had been inflation with crowds at times, but if my memory is correct he was aiming for 20K crowds and only now seems to be getting closer to the mark.Bear in mind when Grant took over from 2016 and working up to 2019 only averaged about 15K.So the early fudging wasn't anywhere near over the top.Grant also was hardly a world beater, although he paled the game as an International.
Not even worth comparing crowds during the 2020/21 COVID bum years, they were naturally ordinary.

 

[taipan]

GWS have 4 million members and their crowds are like 4k

And a fair percentage of that crowd are roaming felines and canines on heat.

 

[Wb1234]

Very believable, I mean under Smith there was a massive investment in memberships and the real start of the growth in that area. It wouldn't make sense that memberships were tripling and crowds declining

Gallop not smith

 

[Perth Red]

Gallop not smith

NRL boss Dave Smith wants to double club memberships by 2017

NRL boss Dave Smith has outlined his plan to double club membership numbers by 2017 as part of what he has called a ''massive cultural shift'' across the code. ''It's the biggest single thing the game's done, in terms of members, ever,'' Smith told Fairfax Media on Thursday. ''And it won't just...

www.smh.com.au

 

[Wb1234]

NRL boss Dave Smith wants to double club memberships by 2017

NRL boss Dave Smith has outlined his plan to double club membership numbers by 2017 as part of what he has called a ''massive cultural shift'' across the code. ''It's the biggest single thing the game's done, in terms of members, ever,'' Smith told Fairfax Media on Thursday. ''And it won't just...

www.smh.com.au

Yeh so

fluff

gallops the one that made it an issue and led to massive growth

the nrl used to run competitions between clubs remember that ?

 

[Wb1234]

Having nsw as game 3 is stupid for this very reason

 

[Éamonn an Chnoic]

Having nsw as game 3 is stupid for this very reason

what if the origin winner was based on points deferentials?

Eg, Origin 2018 (most recent dead rubber)
G1 nsw wins 22-12
G2 nsw wins 18-14

so for game 3, if QLD wins by 15 points to win the series

 

[Storm80]

Haha and just like that PVL does a complete 180 on Perth team. He’s now suddenly pro Perth.

https://nitter.it/pic/orig/enc/bWVkaWEvRnkzc2NXbmFRQUFCSGJTLmpwZw==

Hopefully the West Australian article can be seen.

PVL saying that it’s Uncle Nick that’s the visionary that wants to get to 20 teams quicker.

I love the line from PVL - “And it’s all funded by the broadcaster from the extra content” hahaha

Exactly what the Perth Red types and us accused “AFL lovers” on here get abused for saying - Perth is where you get more ratings growth with 2.7m people in WA which then maximises the tv rights deal. And you use the extra money from TV rights to fund participation.

This is so funny, PVL is actually spruiking the AFL model now. Exactly why the Suns and Giants exist. To get more cash in TV rights. It would seem it’s Uncle Nick that got in PVLs ear and told him to change strategy.

Now… imagine how much quicker NRL could’ve got to 20 teams had NRL not got outflanked by AFL in media rights? That extra $500m would have been a phenomenal kick start to expanding to 20 teams and being in a better position to give players a better deal in CBA negotiations.

It’s almost like narrow mindedness on playing the game in two states has cost the code millions in revenue over the past 20 years… Wait did I say “It’s almost like”?? I meant “It’s a certainty that…” etc etc.

Imagine being so stupid over the past 25 years, and PVL has been dense on this issue since he come on as a board member, that you didnt see the easy money on offer in Perth and completely missed out on WAs mining boom and getting much more sponsorships and corporate partnerships over the past two decades. Your talking about hundreds of millions of dollars on offer at your door step. No betting agencies or delusions of grandeur in USA involved. Just purely putting a team based in Perth, backed by government and watching the money roll in as the tv rights deals increases exponentially.

Anyways, maybe PVL lurks on this forum - cause he sure seems to be stealing some great ideas from a few of us “fumbleballers” on here haha

 

[mave]

Actually the reason for that “drop” was because, under DSmith, the NRL just started forcing clubs to tell the truth in the crowd numbers

I remember, it came out that Manly were reporting crowds above their capacity…

Have you got any sort of source for this?

I'd wager Manly were under-reporting over the years to soften their liabilities to council.

 

[Canard]

Have you got any sort of source for this?

I'd wager Manly were under-reporting over the years to soften their liabilities to council.

You're giving him to much credit, it's all just a bit of bullshit he created, as he is clearly some sort of troll.

How would you enforce such an edict anyway? Threaten the 17 year kid at the turnstiles with jail time if he doesn't provide the exact count?

 

[Pneuma]

Haha and just like that PVL does a complete 180 on Perth team. He’s now suddenly pro Perth.

https://nitter.it/pic/orig/enc/bWVkaWEvRnkzc2NXbmFRQUFCSGJTLmpwZw==

Hopefully the West Australian article can be seen.

PVL saying that it’s Uncle Nick that’s the visionary that wants to get to 20 teams quicker.

I love the line from PVL - “And it’s all funded by the broadcaster from the extra content” hahaha

Exactly what the Perth Red types and us accused “AFL lovers” on here get abused for saying - Perth is where you get more ratings growth with 2.7m people in WA which then maximises the tv rights deal. And you use the extra money from TV rights to fund participation.

This is so funny, PVL is actually spruiking the AFL model now. Exactly why the Suns and Giants exist. To get more cash in TV rights. It would seem it’s Uncle Nick that got in PVLs ear and told him to change strategy.

Now… imagine how much quicker NRL could’ve got to 20 teams had NRL not got outflanked by AFL in media rights? That extra $500m would have been a phenomenal kick start to expanding to 20 teams and being in a better position to give players a better deal in CBA negotiations.

It’s almost like narrow mindedness on playing the game in two states has cost the code millions in revenue over the past 20 years… Wait did I say “It’s almost like”?? I meant “It’s a certainty that…” etc etc.

Imagine being so stupid over the past 25 years, and PVL has been dense on this issue since he come on as a board member, that you didnt see the easy money on offer in Perth and completely missed out on WAs mining boom and getting much more sponsorships and corporate partnerships over the past two decades. Your talking about hundreds of millions of dollars on offer at your door step. No betting agencies or delusions of grandeur in USA involved. Just purely putting a team based in Perth, backed by government and watching the money roll in as the tv rights deals increases exponentially.

Anyways, maybe PVL lurks on this forum - cause he sure seems to be stealing some great ideas from a few of us “fumbleballers” on here haha

Potato

 

[MugaB]

Potato

I concour

 

[Desert Qlder]

AFL invented media rights.

 

[siv]

Now… imagine how much quicker NRL could’ve got to 20 teams had NRL not got outflanked by AFL in media rights?

We had 20 teams in 1995

And 22 in 1997

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Yep. I believe storm80 isn't a Perth Red alt.

 

[Wb1234]

Have you got any sort of source for this?

I'd wager Manly were under-reporting over the years to soften their liabilities to council.

I remember something along this lines smith did want more honesty but it mayve been memberships not crowds

but manly used t claim crowds over 25k at Brookie then more recent games it’s packed and announced at 15k or less

 

[Wb1234]

Yep. I believe storm80 isn't a Perth Red alt.

Grotd