Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[Steel Saints]

Afl is 590 million
Pvl is talking up an 800 million pa dollar deal which is overs but who knows

extra game each week
Women’s origin
Best afl by 50 percent in terms of total viewers last year

PVL will do well to get $600 million, which would be a great result.

 

[stratocaster]

GWS/Suns did a real number on AFL average attendance, but NRL attendance growth has been nothing short of amazing since coming back from COVID

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Indeed

NRL 1998 Year 1 = 31.5% of AFL average
NRL 2005 Year 8 = 46.12% of AFL average - set the resistance line - hits it again in 2010 & 2012
NRL 2019 Year 22 = 42.8% of AFL average
NRL 2022 Year 25 = 52.64% of AFL average

Basically 2022:
When the NRL recovers from post-Covid, it's the 4th highest average ever
When the AFL recovers from post-Covid, it's the worst average since 1996 - before the NRL

NRL 2025 Year 28 = 56.93% - record average and closest the gap has ever been
AFL 2025 Year 28 = 36,986 = 2008 average -basically where it was 17 years ago

The future:
The Perth Bears will pull the average down but they'll only have a 5% pull down factor over the entire league's averages. I think they should consider having their biggest game at Optus

Bulldogs, Roosters, Dolphins, Knights, Titans, Rabbitohs, Eels - not restricted by stadium capacity in the medium term - will keep growing

Cowboys - closer to maximum but still has room to grow

Panthers - will get new stadium uplift

Tigers, Dragons - will get stadium redevelopment uplift and can go furthers with some centralisation to SFS

Storm - still have room to grow before they meet consistent sell outs like the Warriors. As someone said elsewhere - substitute just 1 AAMI park game with 1 double header at the MCG during AFL gather round - Storm vs Broncos & Sharks vs Warriors - get a 70k to 90k crowd - their average jumps to 30k automatically.

New Zealand - capacity - need an Eden Park game to breakout

Broncos - close to capacity - need a Suncorp increase or stadium members resell program

Sea Eagles - capacity - give up 1 home game to boost averages past 17k

Raiders - need a better stadium

Sharks - need a better stadium, won't get it. Relocate games to the Central Coast/SFS or Adelaide

There's nothing there that is a major restriction that's going to stop the league's crowd average from continuing to grow with the right management plan.

 

[Bukowski]

Indeed

NRL 1998 Year 1 = 31.5% of AFL average
NRL 2005 Year 8 = 46.12% of AFL average - set the resistance line - hits it again in 2010 & 2012
NRL 2019 Year 22 = 42.8% of AFL average
NRL 2022 Year 25 = 52.64% of AFL average

Basically 2022:
When the NRL recovers from post-Covid, it's the 4th highest average ever
When the AFL recovers from post-Covid, it's the worst average since 1996 - before the NRL

NRL 2025 Year 28 = 56.93% - record average and closest the gap has ever been
AFL 2025 Year 28 = 36,986 = 2008 average -basically where it was 17 years ago

The future:
The Perth Bears will pull the average down but they'll only have a 5% pull down factor over the entire league's averages. I think they should consider having their biggest game at Optus

Bulldogs, Roosters, Dolphins, Knights, Titans, Rabbitohs, Eels - not restricted by stadium capacity in the medium term - will keep growing

Cowboys - closer to maximum but still has room to grow

Panthers - will get new stadium uplift

Tigers, Dragons - will get stadium redevelopment uplift and can go furthers with some centralisation to SFS

Storm - still have room to grow before they meet consistent sell outs like the Warriors. As someone said elsewhere - substitute just 1 AAMI park game with 1 double header at the MCG during AFL gather round - Storm vs Broncos & Sharks vs Warriors - get a 70k to 90k crowd - their average jumps to 30k automatically.

New Zealand - capacity - need an Eden Park game to breakout

Broncos - close to capacity - need a Suncorp increase or stadium members resell program

Sea Eagles - capacity - give up 1 home game to boost averages past 17k

Raiders - need a better stadium

Sharks - need a better stadium, won't get it. Relocate games to the Central Coast/SFS or Adelaide

There's nothing there that is a major restriction that's going to stop the league's crowd average from continuing to grow with the right management plan.

If Perth play their first game at Optus and their home Sydney game at Allianz then I'm pretty confident they will ave 20k for their first year.

 

[stratocaster]

If Perth play their first game at Optus and their home Sydney game at Allianz then I'm pretty confident they will ave 20k for their first year.

I think playing at Optus when the AFL is all in Adelaide makes sense too.

If you play the Bears vs Sea Eagles games twice a year at the SFS, and then have a Sydney team like the Sharks give up a home game, then:

Pro: Bears, Sea Eagles and Sharks home game average increases. The overall NRL average increase. All three teams make more money.

Cons: Sharks give up 1 home game.

 

[newc18]

I would rather the Bears just play all thier games at HBF Park and push for an upgrade.

If they are happy to move every big game to Optus Stadium, then there won't be any appetite from the government to upgrade the capacity of HBF Park anytime soon. Plus it's not a bad thing having tickets in-demand.

 

[stratocaster]

I would rather the Bears just play all thier games at HBF Park and push for an upgrade.

If they are happy to move every big game to Optus Stadium, then there won't be any appetite from the government to upgrade the capacity of HBF Park anytime soon. Plus it's not a bad thing having tickets in-demand.

It's basically a maths trick. They shouldn't play at Optus more than once a year.

12 home games @ HBF - 15,000 average

OR

1 away game @ HBF (Sharks etc)
10 home games @ HBF - 15,000
1 home game @ SFS (Sea Eagles) - 25,000 (Bears fans in Sydney)
1 home game @ Optus (Broncos?) during AFL gather round - 30,000

15,000 average becomes 17,000.

For each 10,000 fans they add to the SFS/Optus games combined, it would add approximately 1000 to their home average. So if the SFS game pulled 30,000 and the Optus game got 35,000, then their home average becomes 18,000.

If they average 17k at HBF, 30k for an SFS game and 35k at Optus, then they'd average 19.6k.

 

[Warrimoo3]

Another reason why channel 9 shouldn’t get the rights. This is from today’s Sunday Footy Show. Deine Mariner is apparently the Bronco’s halfback

 

[Warrimoo3]

Another reason why channel 9 shouldn’t get the rights. This is from today’s Sunday Footy Show. Deine Mariner is apparently the Bronco’s halfback

 

[Warrimoo3]

From today:

 

[Bukowski]

I would rather the Bears just play all thier games at HBF Park and push for an upgrade.

If they are happy to move every big game to Optus Stadium, then there won't be any appetite from the government to upgrade the capacity of HBF Park anytime soon. Plus it's not a bad thing having tickets in-demand.

I think this will be the case except for their inaugural game or home semis

 

[Diesel]

No reason why there can’t be a double header at Optus with the Bears as an away team

 

[Nuke]

Personally, I think Perth double-headers are now a thing of the past. Last week being the last one.

 

[Wb1234]

How about once 50 points are scored the game automatically stops regardless of the time elapsed ?

Thats when I switch off anyway

it will end up a point a minute as the benchmark