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Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

Iamback

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@Storm80, I don’t overall disagree with your post but SL’s aggressive takeover was rushed and ill thought out. Some fans were legitimately pissed off that their club was being put forward for relocation or merged or kicked out while others weren’t. SL’s divide and conquer strategy is responsible for the mess we were left with. It’s a shame because it’s a lost opportunity. There should’ve been a twenty year plan back then but that was never gonna happen with a hostile corporate takeover. Anyway, getting two proud clubs with tradition such as Easts/Souths was always gonna be a tall order. At the time, Politis had put a lot of time and effort into bring Easts back from teetering on the edge of the abyss. Meanwhile Piggins, who was doing a shit job with the basket case Souths were back then wanted equal say in the running of the club. Why would Politis risk his good work? And then of course, there’s the hate to get over. However, you could argue now that the rivalry between them is of greater benefit to the game than the merged club ever would’ve been.

Also, while I agree the AFL is doing a better job than RL, I don’t see how they “put together a commission that rose above the clubs for the greater good”. They still have nine AFL clubs in Melbourne, don’t they? Why is nine too many for Sydney but not Melbourne? We had four clubs that merged - six at one stage and shafted one that tried to relocate to the central coast.

We haven’t done much different to them in the major capital, I would’ve thought. They got there expansion done better than us but it was easier for them as they already had a national footprint as well as corporate support. Our corporates prefer the other code, sadly.

The biggest issue is 2 Rugby codes it splits corporate support
 

Perth Red

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Except it is true.
Even in small town settings the rugby league players (particularly when in their group) are arseholes who think they are heros and probably have minor criminal records. And they also tend to be dumb merkins.

There is a solution: Stop excluding intelligent people who go to good schools and university and such maybe even actively encourage them to participate.
You only have to listen to the morons on nrl360 who go on how about how DCE doesn’t fit in because he is intelligent and articulate Like this is some bad thing!
 

Colk

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Well it sounds like Abdo warned him not to do a deal according to Webster, he is a hand puppet, not even sure why they are wasting their money on a Ceo when they have a chairman who is effectively behaving like the ceo.

V’Landys is out of control. He seems to think that being in the media constantly is a good thing and the level of ego based on the Webster article and other stories seems to be at dangerous levels. The whole story from last year about how the criticism was unfair or the seeming inability to acknowledge mistakes or errors is narcissistic
 

Perth Red

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V’Landys is out of control. He seems to think that being in the media constantly is a good thing and the level of ego based on the Webster article and other stories seems to be at dangerous levels. The whole story from last year about how the criticism was unfair or the seeming inability to acknowledge mistakes or errors is narcissistic
His comment that the only reason afl got $643mill was due to him just about sums up how narcissistic and delusional he actually is.
 

Colk

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His comment that the only reason afl got $643mill was due to him just about sums up how narcissistic and delusional he actually is.

It was probably up there with the strangest comments I have seen, heard or read. Can you imagine the CEO of say Pepsi or Burger King trying to take credit for increased profits of Coke or McDonalds and that it was a good thing
 

Perth Red

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It was probably up there with the strangest comments I have seen, heard or read. Can you imagine the CEO of say Pepsi or Burger King trying to take credit for increased profits of Coke or McDonalds and that it was a good thing
Tbf most of his answers were bizarre. He got dates wrong, he said we are negotiating a deal,until 2031 shortly despite a new 5 year deal not having even started yet, there so clear discrepancy in his denial of a report, and then these pearlers:
Afl owe it to nrl,
fox were busted and needed our help,
we have tricks up our sleeve.
and this is the games autocratic leader!
 
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Colk

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Tbf most of his answers were bizarre.
Afl owe it to nrl,
fox were busted and needed our help,
we have tricks up our sleeve.
and this is the games autocratic leader!

Yeah the other one was Fox had a cold and everybody could get a cough because of it. Besides probably the poor choice of metaphor considering what actually occurred, it seems strange that you would then agree to extend for a long time, other than you know you were a stooge

Thr tricks up our sleeve comment sounds so desperate. I am sure he has repeated to every NRL club official since the fumbleball deal
 

Storm80

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@Babyface O'reilly Just to clarify - I did preface my statement with Super league and News Ltd “for all its faults”.

If I recall correctly, the brisbane licence was granted on the basis no other club could be within south east Queensland. Hence, Gold Coast Giants were based in NSW over the border.

Then the resentment from NSWRL once broncos became a force and decisions were made for the benefit of shit Sydney clubs over Queensland. Broncos had to share their revenue (merchandise) with the whole comp.Then the perception NSWRL suspended queensland/broncos players more than nsw/clubs etc.

A privately run and professional run club like the broncos saw the extreme flaws of NSWRL/ARL decision making and cracked the shits. NSWRL/ARL treated their cash cow in the broncos like morons and refused to have a long term strategy for the game, it’s growth and rationalising Sydney clubs.

A lot of bad decisions and bad blood from mid 80s snowballed from there once News Ltd couldn’t get media rights for foxtel/galaxy.

Anyway, not gonna rehash the history of bad decisions NSWRL/ARL/SL/NRL and Sydney centric bias that’s undermined the growth of the comp for 40 years.

But ultimately, I’d suggest NSWRL/ARL poor governance and Sydney centric decision making saw them up ending up with SL war. It didn’t happen to the AFL for good reason. They had better administration, vision and governance from the 80s onwards.

In regard to rationalising Sydney clubs NSWRL/ARL had 3 options:

1. Cull Clubs (Newtown)
2. Merge (SL idea that would have worked long term but disaster short term)
3. Relocation (not one NRL club has ever been relocated interstate), retain core supporters in Sydney and build supporters in a capital city.

NSWRL/ARL was all about expansion in mid 90s to prop up NSW clubs. It was never truly about growing the game and it’s junior base in foreign markets. That was a secondary thought to Sydney clubs.

So reasons why VFL/AFL governance structure and performance is miles ahead of NRL.


1. Murdoch could never poach AFL Teams for a new league for a start due to the different governance structure the AFL had as Clubs aren’t able to leave the league at the click of the fingers.

2. The AFL championed rationalising Melbourne clubs from the early 80s -
- South Melbourne moved to Sydney,
- Fitzroy was encouraged to move to Brisbane in 1985,
- Fitzroy and footscray encouraged to merge in late 80s,
- Fitzroy forced to merge with lions with removal of licence for benefit of 2nd Adelaide club.
- Melbourne and Hawthorn encouraged to merge
- Stk we’re encouraged to play in Tassie with a view to moving there
- North Melbourne we’re offered $100m to move to Gold Coast prior to the suns. And it was only media rights that allowed the suns and gws to exist.

Despite all the backlash from supporters etc about rationalisation from the early 80s the VFL/AFL were always trying to relocate and merge Melbourne clubs. They had vision and were prepared to cop the hate from fans for the long term security of the code.

Victoria originally had 12 clubs - 11 in Melbourne and one in Geelong. They’ve reduced it by 2 since the 80s and attempted to shift two others (north to Gold Coast and Stk to Tassie)

In contrast, it was only the SL war that forced mergers. NSWRL/ARL had no intention to reduce Sydney clubs. The intent to reduce clubs in Melbourne is completely different to NSWRL/ARL/NRL intent to prop up Sydney and Newcastle clubs at the expense of Adelaide, Perth, Brisbane 2nd and 3rd teams and NZ 2nd team. Part of the Lions and Swans success is die hard Melbourne fans still support them. More local Sydney mergers is not the answer.

Two less teams in Sydney won’t reduce its popularity in NSW or Sydney. Sure a fews supporters will crack the sads - but long term their kids will support another club or they’ll embrace a perth side originally from Cronulla or Wests etc.

3. NRL has no killer instinct - One of the key reasons AFL put Fremantle and Port Adelaide in as 2nd clubs in Perth and Adelaide was to saturate and dominate the market. The Western Reds quickened this process. AFL read the tea leaves and wanted to squash a foreign competitor growing in AFL heartland. So the dockers were born two years later.

Again, AFL has completely different intent than NSWRL/ARL/NRL. AFL put the Lions in the south and west of Brisbane to grow their game where the population will be in 20/30 years. Same with GWS.

If the NRL had the same mentality as AFL did for Perth and Adelaide - NRL would put the 2nd Brisbane team south of the river to squash the Lions.

They went with Dolphins to appease News Ltd. Again, more evidence the administration of NRL is no match for AFL.

Want more evidence of killer instinct - Back in the 90s AFL met with NSW Government. Offered $1m toward the Olympic Stadium to ensure it remained an oval for the swans to play at. Main strategy for this - grow the game in the west and screw the ARL/SL/NRL buy making their new jewel a white elephant. Mission accomplished. That one decision has undermined the NRL crowd growth ever since. Phenomenal leadership and vision to do that.

4. The afl plays 10 out of 3 (soon to be) state of art venues in MCG, Marvel and Kardinia Park. 10 clubs out of 3 stadiums.

AFL has 9 clubs in Melbourne playing out of two stadiums. No suburban grounds. People travel to attend games. The two regional towns that have two to three games a year in Ballarat or Bendigo has the State government funding upgrades for Commonwealth games.

In contrast, NRL never really embraced the NSW government 3 stadium strategy. First chance they got NRL requested $800m for suburban shit holes.

Having 7 stadiums for 9 teams is so ridiculous and such a waste of money it’s not funny. One tenant at Allianz is laughable. The financial drain on maintaining 7 state of the art grounds over the next 20 plus years is just going to be enormous. It’s financial mismanagement to retain a 7 stadiums policy plus Newcastle and Wollongong that’s 9 stadiums needing money for maintenance and upgrades every 15 years. NRL will constantly have its hand out begging State and federal governemnt for hand outs.

Why build or maintain 7 stadiums in Sydney for 9 clubs with supporters who can’t be assed to travel to the next suburb let alone to watch their team 20km away? It’s lunacy.

5. commitment to junior development especially in foreign states. In the 80s AFL introduced a draft. The afl has taken control of all junior development. Kids from all over the country enter the draft and get picked. They allow NSW and Qld teams to have junior academies and have access to the best local talent. This commitment to youth didn’t start 10 years ago. They grew it from the mid 80s.

In contrast, NRL draft got scuttled by court challenge by Terry Hill. Again poor implementation by NSWRL/ARL in an attempt to catch up with AFL framework. You need the players to “buy in” to a draft. And it needs to be set up right to avoid “restraint of trade” challenges. The AFL smashed this out of the park. And all junior development now thrives off this. Kids see the NBA and NFL and now want the limelight of draft night. AFL foresight was 40 years into the future. And NSWRL/ARL botched it and has never bothered to revisit it.

6. media rights… I don’t need to go on about why AFL is so far ahead. We know this. Great leadership, governance framework and vision from the 80s. Eventhough Optus go the rights for AFL pay tv in 90’s Murdoch never tried a SL on AFL because he couldn’t. AFL has control of the clubs. They can’t leave the league.

So in summary, for all the above reasons all AFL decisions from 80s just comes back to having better overall organisational governance, Club control, strong leadership and vision to build the game across the nation - even at the expense of Melbourne clubs.

From the 80s NSWRL/ARL/SL/NRL have never really been free to put fwd a 40 year vision and build for the future because the organisational governance, Club control and leadership has never been as good as AFL.

Sadly, after Alpha Gil announced the new rights deal - I doubt the NRL will ever have better administration than AFL.
 
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mongoose

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@Babyface O'reilly Just to clarify - I did preface my statement with Super league and News Ltd “for all its faults”.

If I recall correctly, the brisbane licence was granted on the basis no other club could be within south east Queensland. Hence, Gold Coast Giants were based in NSW over the border.

Then the resentment from NSWRL once broncos became a force and decisions were made for the benefit of shit Sydney clubs over Queensland. Broncos had to share their revenue (merchandise) with the whole comp.Then the perception NSWRL suspended queensland/broncos players more than nsw/clubs etc.

A privately run and professional run club like the broncos saw the extreme flaws of NSWRL/ARL decision making and cracked the shits. NSWRL/ARL treated their cash cow in the broncos like morons and refused to have a long term strategy for the game, it’s growth and rationalising Sydney clubs.

A lot of bad decisions and bad blood from mid 80s snowballed from there once News Ltd couldn’t get media rights for foxtel/galaxy.

Anyway, not gonna rehash the history of bad decisions NSWRL/ARL/SL/NRL and Sydney centric bias that’s undermined the growth of the comp for 40 years.

But ultimately, I’d suggest NSWRL/ARL poor governance and Sydney centric decision making saw them up ending up with SL war. It didn’t happen to the AFL for good reason. They had better administration, vision and governance from the 80s onwards.

In regard to rationalising Sydney clubs NSWRL/ARL had 3 options:

1. Cull Clubs (Newtown)
2. Merge (SL idea that would have worked long term but disaster short term)
3. Relocation (not one NRL club has ever been relocated interstate), retain core supporters in Sydney and build supporters in a capital city.

NSWRL/ARL was all about expansion in mid 90s to prop up NSW clubs. It was never truly about growing the game and it’s junior base in foreign markets. That was a secondary thought to Sydney clubs.

So reasons why VFL/AFL governance structure and performance is miles ahead of NRL.


1. Murdoch could never poach AFL Teams for a new league for a start due to the different governance structure the AFL had as Clubs aren’t able to leave the league at the click of the fingers.

2. The AFL championed rationalising Melbourne clubs from the early 80s -
- South Melbourne moved to Sydney,
- Fitzroy was encouraged to move to Brisbane in 1985,
- Fitzroy and footscray encouraged to merge in late 80s,
- Fitzroy forced to merge with lions with removal of licence for benefit of 2nd Adelaide club.
- Melbourne and Hawthorn encouraged to merge
- Stk we’re encouraged to play in Tassie with a view to moving there
- North Melbourne we’re offered $100m to move to Gold Coast prior to the suns. And it was only media rights that allowed the suns and gws to exist.

Despite all the backlash from supporters etc about rationalisation from the early 80s the VFL/AFL were always trying to relocate and merge Melbourne clubs. They had vision and were prepared to cop the hate from fans for the long term security of the code.

Victoria originally had 12 clubs - 11 in Melbourne and one in Geelong. They’ve reduced it by 2 since the 80s and attempted to shift two others (north to Gold Coast and Stk to Tassie)

In contrast, it was only the SL war that forced mergers. NSWRL/ARL had no intention to reduce Sydney clubs. The intent to reduce clubs in Melbourne is completely different to NSWRL/ARL/NRL intent to prop up Sydney and Newcastle clubs at the expense of Adelaide, Perth, Brisbane 2nd and 3rd teams and NZ 2nd team. Part of the Lions and Swans success is die hard Melbourne fans still support them. More local Sydney mergers is not the answer.

Two less teams in Sydney won’t reduce its popularity in NSW or Sydney. Sure a fews supporters will crack the sads - but long term their kids will support another club or they’ll embrace a perth side originally from Cronulla or Wests etc.

3. NRL has no killer instinct - One of the key reasons AFL put Fremantle and Port Adelaide in as 2nd clubs in Perth and Adelaide was to saturate and dominate the market. The Western Reds quickened this process. AFL read the tea leaves and wanted to squash a foreign competitor growing in AFL heartland. So the dockers were born two years later.

Again, AFL has completely different intent than NSWRL/ARL/NRL. AFL put the Lions in the south and west of Brisbane to grow their game where the population will be in 20/30 years. Same with GWS.

If the NRL had the same mentality as AFL did for Perth and Adelaide - NRL would put the 2nd Brisbane team south of the river to squash the Lions.

They went with Dolphins to appease News Ltd. Again, more evidence the administration of NRL is no match for AFL.

Want more evidence of killer instinct - Back in the 90s AFL met with NSW Government. Offered $1m toward the Olympic Stadium to ensure it remained an oval for the swans to play at. Main strategy for this - grow the game in the west and screw the ARL/SL/NRL buy making their new jewel a white elephant. Mission accomplished. That one decision has undermined the NRL crowd growth ever since. Phenomenal leadership and vision to do that.

4. The afl plays 10 out of 3 (soon to be) state of art venues in MCG, Marvel and Kardinia Park. 10 clubs out of 3 stadiums.

AFL has 9 clubs in Melbourne playing out of two stadiums. No suburban grounds. People travel to attend games. The two regional towns that have two to three games a year in Ballarat or Bendigo has the State government funding upgrades for Commonwealth games.

In contrast, NRL never really embraced the NSW government 3 stadium strategy. First chance they got NRL requested $800m for suburban shit holes.

Having 7 stadiums for 9 teams is so ridiculous and such a waste of money it’s not funny. One tenant at Allianz is laughable. The financial drain on maintaining 7 state of the art grounds over the next 20 plus years is just going to be enormous. It’s financial mismanagement to retain a 7 stadiums policy plus Newcastle and Wollongong that’s 9 stadiums needing money for maintenance and upgrades every 15 years. NRL will constantly have its hand out begging State and federal governemnt for hand outs.

Why build or maintain 7 stadiums in Sydney for 9 clubs with supporters who can’t be assed to travel to the next suburb let alone to watch their team 20km away? It’s lunacy.

5. commitment to junior development especially in foreign states. In the 80s AFL introduced a draft. The afl has taken control of all junior development. Kids from all over the country enter the draft and get picked. They allow NSW and Qld teams to have junior academies and have access to the best local talent. This commitment to youth didn’t start 10 years ago. They grew it from the mid 80s.

In contrast, NRL draft got scuttled by court challenge by Terry Hill. Again poor implementation by NSWRL/ARL in an attempt to catch up with AFL framework. You need the players to “buy in” to a draft. And it needs to be set up right to avoid “restraint of trade” challenges. The AFL smashed this out of the park. And all junior development now thrives off this. Kids see the NBA and NFL and now want the limelight of draft night. AFL foresight was 40 years into the future. And NSWRL/ARL botched it and has never bothered to revisit it.

6. media rights… I don’t need to go on about why AFL is so far ahead. We know this. Great leadership, governance framework and vision from the 80s. Eventhough Optus go the rights for AFL pay tv in 90’s Murdoch never tried a SL on AFL because he couldn’t. AFL has control of the clubs. They can’t leave the league.

So in summary, for all the above reasons all AFL decisions from 80s just comes back to having better overall organisational governance, Club control, strong leadership and vision to build the game across the nation - even at the expense of Melbourne clubs.

From the 80s NSWRL/ARL/SL/NRL have never really been free to put fwd a 40 year vision and build for the future because the organisational governance, Club control and leadership has never been as good as AFL.

Sadly, after Alpha Gil announced the new rights deal - I doubt the NRL will ever have better administration than AFL.

depressing reading... a couple of things though:

While I don't think Sydney having 7-8 stadiums is sustainable I'm also not completely sold on the 2 stadium model. I realise it works for Melbourne and they regularly get big crowds but there is something soulless about 9 teams all playing out of the same 2 grounds. I think every team having their own home ground adds a dynamic to the NRL that the AFL lacks even if it produces some terrible crowds. Having a comp with 9 teams in one city is kind of ridiculous though... only the EPL in London can get away with it.

Is the draft really that beneficial to the AFL? other than them making a TV event out of it, I don't really see the huge advantage of it. Don't many players who get drafted to GWS and QLD teams get homesick and have to go back to their Melbourne or Adelaide suburb where big bad NRL players are unheard of? The NRL would obviously have to completely take over junior development for a Draft to happen. I don't think the current system is that flawed though and you would never see a team like the current Panthers with a draft. NRL needs to get serious about junior development in non heartland states though, especially Victoria.

League has certainly hamstrung itself through poor/slack governance, lack of foresight and constant infighting over the years.
 

Colk

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depressing reading... a couple of things though:

While I don't think Sydney having 7-8 stadiums is sustainable I'm also not completely sold on the 2 stadium model. I realise it works for Melbourne and they regularly get big crowds but there is something soulless about 9 teams all playing out of the same 2 grounds. I think every team having their own home ground adds a dynamic to the NRL that the AFL lacks even if it produces some terrible crowds. Having a comp with 9 teams in one city is kind of ridiculous though... only the EPL in London can get away with it.

Is the draft really that beneficial to the AFL? other than them making a TV event out of it, I don't really see the huge advantage of it. Don't many players who get drafted to GWS and QLD teams get homesick and have to go back to their Melbourne or Adelaide suburb where big bad NRL players are unheard of? The NRL would obviously have to completely take over junior development for a Draft to happen. I don't think the current system is that flawed though and you would never see a team like the current Panthers with a draft. NRL needs to get serious about junior development in non heartland states though, especially Victoria.

League has certainly hamstrung itself through poor/slack governance, lack of foresight and constant infighting over the years.

I don’t think that Sydney will go to 2 stadiums but it is possible that we go to 4. That would be something that is manageable.

I have gone back and forth on a draft. I think the biggest problem is that it is a bit lazy and it encourages teams to tank. Nevertheless they should explore ways to equalise talent a little better in the competition.

There are a couple of problems with the current system though. What to do with areas that aren’t attached to current league sides and also what to do with areas that are funded by poor clubs - Newcastle and Gold Coast being an example in the past?

I wouldn’t mind the NRL being in charge of it being equally funded by the clubs. They could be in charge up to a certain age and as a consequence you would get a uniform standard. Clubs could take over when they get to 16 or whatever based on a zonal system .
 
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and so it begins… the shifting of the goal posts

Previously it was “NRL get the same or similar TV rights as AFL”.

Now it’s “TV rights are different for each code you can’t compare apples with oranges … hey quick look over their NRL make more profit”.

So cutting back on costs like getting rid of two refs and giving up on NRL media and digital arm to boost your profits is to be celebrated?

Running the code on the smell of an oily rag to make a profit in the short term is not automatically a good thing. Giving more money from profit to clubs (most of which just piss it away) is not automatically good investment.

What individuals benefit from increased profit? Do commission members get bonus’ for x amount of profit?

Profit on its own is useless if you have no real vision to grow the game and out compete the AFL in Sydney and Brisbane.

AFL has less profit, but if they stripped back to the smell of an oily rag - guess what AFL would have massive profit.

The whole point of more tv and media rights isn’t profits - it’s to have a war chest to build and invest in your code, assert dominance in foreign markets, get kids and women to play your code and make sure your next media deal is bigger than the last. Rinse and repeat.

By winning the war for community engagement and interest you pretty much guarentee federal and state government funding in the future.

It all boils down to this - since the early 80’s the VFL/AFL organised themselves into a commission that championed the greater good of the code over individual clubs. This lead to a vision to expand into all capital cities and invest money in junior pathways and participation in foreign states.

The NSWRL/ARL never had such a vision. They just expanded the game to regions for more tv rights without reinvesting in grass roots or juniors. They never took it serious to relocate Sydney clubs - which is odd considering they kicked Newtown out. The Clubs have always retained too much power to be able to rationalise and streamline the game in Sydney.

Super league and News Ltd, for all its faults, at least understood Sydney clubs needed to make way for the greater good of the game and its growth. Then the NRL become this bastardised version of both ARL and SL which now has just gone backwards to appease News Ltd and NSW market.

You can continue to cherry pick facts and figures all you want and take it out of context. The bottom line is TV and media rights should be used primarily for investment and growing the game not so you can say “hey profit” for the sake of a good looking balance sheet.

Alpha Gil dominates Beta PVL for one, there are several, key reason - he is part of a long line of AFL leaders that have had clear vision and purpose without the need to suckle at the teet of News Ltd and Sydney Clubs.

On top of this overachieving theme of better administration in AFL - Alpha Gil is better looking, smarter, more humble, builds better government and business connections and is just a far more polished performer than Beta PVL.

I mean come on we all saw the Today ramblings of getting kids off those computer machines so they can play sport and Rugba Leeg at a local drowns and that government should give NRL the $800m instead of flood victims in Lismore. That interview was a disgrace and made the code a laughing stock. Mates in Melbourne I know we’re like “WTF is wrong with this bloke??” Haha. Alpha Gil would never perform so poorly.

Hence, and let’s bring this baby around to the jist of the thread, Alpha Gil fleeced the NRL and Beta PVL by obtaining an obscene amount more for the AFL in media rights which will then be reinvested in key foreign markets of NSW and QLD (the growth areas of south and west suburbs of Brisbane where NRL has no presence because News Ltd own broncos don’t want a NRL team there).

This media deal solidified the future 20 years of the AFL to continue to grow in NSW and QLD at the expense of NRL. If you don’t understand that is bad news for NRL, god help you.

The VFL/AwFuL were in such a dire situation in the 80s they had no choice but to expand and take power away from the clubs. It was easier for them to do so as the clubs relied upon them for survival and there was no sugar daddy in the shadows to bail them out.

The Bradley Report identified rationalisation of Sydney as a necessity, but the NSWRL never got around to implementing it when they had a chance.

News Ltd came around and shifted the balance of power in the clubs' favour. We're now stuck with too many teams in one market -- cannibalising each other to the point they need funds from the central body to stay alive -- while key markets are under-represented and unrepresented. The largest RL club in the world is run by News Ltd and places its bottom line ahead of the game's development in the city it represents.

On this forum we have people rallying for centralised stadia to be abandoned because they want to keep the game in the 1980s. Others want to bring back the Bears and put them on the Central Coast. Self-interest has held the game back since 1908 and it's getting worse.
 
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@Storm80, I don’t overall disagree with your post but SL’s aggressive takeover was rushed and ill thought out. Some fans were legitimately pissed off that their club was being put forward for relocation or merged or kicked out while others weren’t. SL’s divide and conquer strategy is responsible for the mess we were left with. It’s a shame because it’s a lost opportunity. There should’ve been a twenty year plan back then but that was never gonna happen with a hostile corporate takeover. Anyway, getting two proud clubs with tradition such as Easts/Souths was always gonna be a tall order. At the time, Politis had put a lot of time and effort into bring Easts back from teetering on the edge of the abyss. Meanwhile Piggins, who was doing a shit job with the basket case Souths were back then wanted equal say in the running of the club. Why would Politis risk his good work? And then of course, there’s the hate to get over. However, you could argue now that the rivalry between them is of greater benefit to the game than the merged club ever would’ve been.

Also, while I agree the AFL is doing a better job than RL, I don’t see how they “put together a commission that rose above the clubs for the greater good”. They still have nine AFL clubs in Melbourne, don’t they? Why is nine too many for Sydney but not Melbourne? We had four clubs that merged - six at one stage and shafted one that tried to relocate to the central coast.

We haven’t done much different to them in the major capital, I would’ve thought. They got there expansion done better than us but it was easier for them as they already had a national footprint as well as corporate support. Our corporates prefer the other code, sadly.
Melbourne has eight AwFuL clubs that 2 to 4 attendees to their home games for every person who goes to an NRL game in Sydney. The membership tally for Melbourne's AwFuL clubs is two to four times greater than Sydney's NRL clubs. That's why Melbourne can have eight clubs in Melbourne but we cannot have nine NRL clubs in Sydney.

AwFuL allowed the Brisbane Bears to buy the bankrupt Fitzroy Lions in 1996 when there were plans for them to merge with another Melbournian club. AwFuL wanted one of its VFL teams to relocate to Brisbane in the 80s. I think Richmond were interested in relocating to Brisbane back then. South Melbourne relocated to Sydney in 1982. Lions and Swans are more powerful in Brisbane and Sydney than they were in Melbourne. There are NRL clubs from Sydney that would be stronger in Adelaide and Perth than sticking to a small part of Sydney.
 

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Pressure continues to mount on the country’s top rugby league executives after the AFL was able to secure a $4.5 billion broadcast rights deal, raising questions about a large financial gap developing between Australia’s two football codes.

The Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’Landys, along with NRL executives, took the decision to extend the broadcast rights deal with Nine Entertainment and Foxtel at the end of 2021 – in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic.

That decision has come under scrutiny over the past week, particular as the rights were not subject to a similar competitive tender process which saw the AFL clinch its record seven-year deal.

But news of the AFL’s bumper deal continues to reverberate around the NRL. On Sunday, The Sun-Herald’s NRL columnist Danny Weidler reported that club bosses are “seething” that the AFL was able to negotiate a deal that would reportedly leave the NRL between $100 to $170 million worse off each year.

Dr Hunter Fujak from Melbourne’s Deakin Business School and author of the recent book Code Wars - The Battle for Fans, Dollars & Survival said the deal was “an absolute disaster for the NRL” because the AFL now has millions more to fund grassroots operations.

 

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Let’s just remind ourselves of how he mocked the afl back in 2020 when he had just signed the first part of our disastrous deal. How fcking stupid does this make him look now!


While the AFL was able to renew its free-to-air deal with Seven through 2024, a deal is yet to be done with Foxtel, and V'landys declared that the AFL had made a "massive mistake" in that regard.
In comparison to the AFL, the NRL has extended its deal with Foxtel through 2027.

"What the AFL don't tell you is that the majority of revenue for both the NRL and the AFL comes from Foxtel and it was important for us at the NRL to get the major partner done first and foremost," he said.

"That's the one we rely on most. It's given us security of revenues for another seven years.

"We have a deal that secures our future and I think the AFL have made a massive mistake by not getting Foxtel over the line."

 
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depressing reading... a couple of things though:

While I don't think Sydney having 7-8 stadiums is sustainable I'm also not completely sold on the 2 stadium model. I realise it works for Melbourne and they regularly get big crowds but there is something soulless about 9 teams all playing out of the same 2 grounds. I think every team having their own home ground adds a dynamic to the NRL that the AFL lacks even if it produces some terrible crowds. Having a comp with 9 teams in one city is kind of ridiculous though... only the EPL in London can get away with it.

Is the draft really that beneficial to the AFL? other than them making a TV event out of it, I don't really see the huge advantage of it. Don't many players who get drafted to GWS and QLD teams get homesick and have to go back to their Melbourne or Adelaide suburb where big bad NRL players are unheard of? The NRL would obviously have to completely take over junior development for a Draft to happen. I don't think the current system is that flawed though and you would never see a team like the current Panthers with a draft. NRL needs to get serious about junior development in non heartland states though, especially Victoria.

League has certainly hamstrung itself through poor/slack governance, lack of foresight and constant infighting over the years.
You say it's ridiculous to have nine clubs in one city but you want the NRL to retain all of its Sydney clubs, despite many of them being basket cases who rely on the annual grant from the ARLC to survive.

If we want the game to grow then we'll need to change the way it's run. Repetively doing the same thing will lead to the same outcome. Einstein said the definition of insanity is continuously doing the same thing and hoping for a different result. We've got idiots from Sydney who think we can catch up to AwFuL by basing our game around nine small Sydney clubs that draw terrible attendances at dilapidated grounds. We've got clubs and a leader, plus plenty of fans, demanding that the dilapidated grounds have a bit of lipstick slapped on them so they can continue doing what they've done for forty years. There's some who want another Sydney team!

There's nothing "soulless" about nine clubs playing out of two grounds. That's just fear of change and an inability to see the positives of embracing a new system.
 

Storm80

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Well it sounds like Abdo warned him not to do a deal according to Webster, he is a hand puppet, not even sure why they are wasting their money on a Ceo when they have a chairman who is effectively behaving like the ceo.
Another negative about NRL governance.

I have no f**king idea who the AFL chairman is… Years ago it was Mike Fitzpatrick. In any event, you rarely hear a peep out of the commission. And that’s deliberate. It’s great governance.

Company’s have a board of directors. The CEO is employed by the board to run the day to day operations and to be the public face. I can’t not recall a situation like this - where a board Chairman just runs cart blanche over the CEO and every other board member.

Its horrendous governance. The like of which quality companies stamped out decades ago. Alpha Gil comes up with an idea - he has to go to the AFL Commission for approval. They vet his proposal to ensure it’s benefits the AFL. Alpha Gil doesn’t undermine this smart governance framework. He consults, he takes his time, he engages stakeholders and informs the commission on his key findings and the direction he thinks the AFL should take. If the Commission don’t agree - Alpha Gil has to reevaluate his position and come back with more persuasive evidence etc.

NRL/ARL commission members didn’t even get told they were going to buy a pub on Caxton street. In my opinion, it’s absurd the high level of secrecy Beta PVL maintains and it would seem to point to at least some level of distrust in his own colleagues.

The AFL works as a group people in its best interests to get decisions right. The NRL currently has just given all power to one Beta male who just shoots from the hip and makes it up as he goes. It’s not best practice or the best way to make generational decisions.
 
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