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Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

Wb1234

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Very true. Mike Colman's book The Super League War gives a very good account of the kind of money players received. Who can forget Phil Gould talking about the money that was thrown at Steve Edmed.

This article from the AFR published in 1995 gives you an idea of the amounts throw about -

I was thinking of edmed when I posted it

great read that book pretty fair from a news ltd journo

also the chapter in Piggins book on super league he didn’t miss
 

Wb1234

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In relation to Fox that's very true. With the rise in streaming services, a lot of content they used to have is no longer available to them so without live sport, especially NRL, it would see a lot of subscribers to Foxtel and Kayo end their susbscriptions.
Nrl games on Fox are averaging close to what nine get

their afl ratings are average since so many games are shared with seven

they would get decimated having to compete with the nrl on say stan with afl being their primary sport
 

taipan

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That was indeed one of the 2nd graders ATT.Both comps desperate to fill teams.
I went to the first SL game at the SFS Sharks v Canberra.It was going to be a revolutionary way to play the game.Nothing much changed to be honest, apart from a few rule changes.
They had a bloke Bill Collins famous for introducing classical movies ,as a spruiker advertising the game .My grandma would know more about rl and she's been gone ages ago.
 

JD-Roo

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vs Penrith June 30

vs Parramatta July 28

"Venue map for illustrative purposes only"

On sale according to the Ticketmaster site, on those two links above.

Still looks normal on the maps for each.

View attachment 75741
Quoting myself again for clarity....... 😎

Just got an email back from Marvel Stadium Management:

Good Morning John,
The stands will be remaining in Oval mode for the matches.
Kind regards,
Marvel Stadium Reception

I hope this helps for anyone intending on traveling down for the games.
 

Iamback

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Eh?


The agreed to that part. Where is the announcement of the CBA ever being signed?

Same will happen here, they will agree to most points. Scrap some and then come up with a new one that is 75% of the stuff they wanted
 

Chief_Chujo

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Can’t win them all
I don't know how they will ever get the trade window through. Would need to offer a huge carrot because our players are special and unlike any other elite sports player in the world they need a year or more to arrange things if they're going to move teams.
 

Storm80

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They’ve invested it in growing the game, grass roots, buying assets, investing in improving club and game facilities and ensuring their clubs have ongoing viability.

I think it’s about $2bill they have earned more than us in last decade or two,

yeh buying a profit making asset worth hundreds of millions in
Land value alone for $200mill is a really bad idea :)
Yeah really gotta love the “if you take marvel out of the equation” types. Haha if we just take away all the smart business operations of AFL over the past 30 years then yes NRL is on the same level hahaha.

Before covid the media rights deals (where every code in the world makes their most revenue) we’re basically the same between NRL and AFL.

Post 2020, there’s a $500m dollar gap from until the next NRL rights deal which is what 2027 or 28. So from 2023-2027 AFL negotiated a gap of $500m. That’s never happened before. They go back to the 90s and go “NRL had 10m and AFL had 17m for media rights. So the percentage gap was higher in the 90s”.

I just used an inflation calculator and a $7m gap in 1995 is worth just under $14m in 2023. So in the 90s AFL had a $14m gap on NRL for media in todays money.

Fast forward to 2023 - about 30 years, and that gap is $500m. The AFL has increased the media rights gap by 35.7 times. This is all under one guys watch, PVL.

In 2015, NRL got $1.9b (including international rights) for 5 years. Around the same time AFL got $2.5b for six years. That’s $380m a year for NRL and AFL $410m annually.

So the difference was about $120m over a four year period. Fast forward 8 years later and the difference is $500m in four years 2024-27. That’s over a 300% increase ffs.

Haha the spin merchant PVL lovers on here just refuse to see AFL stayed quiet during COVID and had media eating out their hands.

Whereas NRL got there heads in the media every day saying how much better they did than AFL and that no one could have negotiated better money than what PVL got. Fast forward to the end of 2022 and Alpha Gil made NRL and Beta PVL look like amateurs.

PVL lovers twist them selves into pretzels making accuses for the poor return on media rights. It’s simple, prior to Covid they basically got the same money with 2 less teams. After covid they missed out on $500m until the next deal.

Oh and what helped AFL stay in a strong position to negotiate on media? Well not being BFFs with 9 and News Ltd due to being conflicted as Chairman and CEO of Racing NSW certainly helped.

In addition, owning Marvel stadium outright - a deal the AFL did a head of schedule just before covid allowed them to secure a $1b loan to protect their code.

Because the AFL was run so much better than NRL for the past 25 years and collected assets, they were in the stronger position in crisis. They also didn’t rush into negotiations and panic like NRL administration did, they also had a guy that had negotiated media rights deals for over a decade lead negotiations. NRL let a guy that’s never negotiated a proper media rights deal get bent over by 9 and News Ltd.

Oh how valuable an extra $500m could have been to set up 18, 19 and 20 teams. And as for talk I see on here about NRL getting to 20 teams quicker than AFL.

By the next AFL media rights, in 2033 they will have Tasmania and Perth3. Lions will have set up nicely in south west Brisbane/Ipswich for a decade and a new GABBA funded entirely from Qld government.

NRL might have 3 more clubs from either Perth, a PNG/Pasifika team and Brisbane3 (if the News Ltd owned Broncos allow it) or Central Qld or Melbourne2 or NZ2.

I really don’t understand why you PVL lovers buy into the bullshit. Without a presence in all capital cities you won’t really grow the game. As much as it makes sense to have 4 clubs in Brisbane after the Olympics, it won’t really grow ratings. Everyone in qld already watches NRL, regardless of the club they go for. What grows ratings is new markets and new eyes. Perth and Adelaide are the biggest markets in Australia available. But sure focus on Vegas you dingus’.

Also, I love how me and others say “well the AFL pretty much copied NFL etc from the 80s to grow their game and be no.1 - why don’t the NRL do the same?”… and we are the ones abused etc when we actually want NRL to succeed at its highest possible level.

When PVL came in he said perth was a waste of time. Me and others said that was an idiotic view. Morons on here backed PVLs insular view of NRL. PVL does a backflip and backs perth and not one PVL lover calls out his failings. They even have the gumption to say “yeah we’ve always been pro Perth”.

$500m could help fund local improvements to local Sydney stadiums. Instead of badgering government in an economic downturn to fund these white elephants, if NRL negotiated a better media rights deal in the same ball park as AFL they could fund stadia for poor performing Sydney clubs who’s supporters don’t turn up. Rather than the tax payer propping up a sport that in all honesty has proven time and agiancouldn’t run a f**king chook raffle.

And again, AFL looked at ground rationalisation in the 80s. All Melbourne teams got shifted to 2 state of the art grounds and minimised/shared ongoing costs. With two key stadia they locked in government to always update them.

In Sydney you PVL lovers expect NSW government and tax payers to fund stadiums for Manly, Parramatta, Penrith, Wests, Canterbury, Cronulla, St George, Easts and South’s. There’s like 10 or 12 grounds (including Woolongong and Newcastle) you idiots want NSW Government to fork out billions for, and at ground that’s are lucky to be half full most of the time.

Until you fix the bleeding obvious and at least rationalise where Sydney clubs play NRL ain’t gonna be as good as it can be. Until NRL focuses on Perth and Adelaide they can’t draw more eyes on the sport. If you don’t draw more eyes, even if it’s just for finals and State of Origin, media rights deals stagnate.

It’s all pretty simple stuff PVL lovers are just too stupid to understand.
 
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docbrown

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Where’s all the experts who said they wouldn’t use the nfl stadium
I'm skeptical because I doubt the NRL would want to schedule the games with an 11am kickoff on the Sunday in NSW -- which would be 10am in Queensland. It will kill the TV audience here.

If they went 6pm & 8:30pm in Vegas it would be 1pm & 3:30pm NSW here.
 

Canard

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Yeah really gotta love the “if you take marvel out of the equation” types. Haha if we just take away all the smart business operations of AFL over the past 30 years then yes NRL is on the same level hahaha.

Before covid the media rights deals (where every code in the world makes their most revenue) we’re basically the same between NRL and AFL.

Post 2020, there’s a $500m dollar gap from until the next NRL rights deal which is what 2027 or 28. So from 2023-2027 AFL negotiated a gap of $500m. That’s never happened before. They go back to the 90s and go “NRL had 10m and AFL had 17m for media rights. So the percentage gap was higher in the 90s”.

I just used an inflation calculator and a $7m gap in 1995 is worth just under $14m in 2023. So in the 90s AFL had a $14m gap on NRL for media in todays money.

Fast forward to 2023 - about 30 years, and that gap is $500m. The AFL has increased the media rights gap by 35.7 times. This is all under one guys watch, PVL.

In 2015, NRL got $1.9b (including international rights) for 5 years. Around the same time AFL got $2.5b for six years. That’s $380m a year for NRL and AFL $410m annually.

So the difference was about $120m over a four year period. Fast forward 8 years later and the difference is $500m in four years 2024-27. That’s over a 300% increase ffs.

Haha the spin merchant PVL lovers on here just refuse to see AFL stayed quiet during COVID and had media eating out their hands.

Whereas NRL got there heads in the media every day saying how much better they did than AFL and that no one could have negotiated better money than what PVL got. Fast forward to the end of 2022 and Alpha Gil made NRL and Beta PVL look like amateurs.

PVL lovers twist them selves into pretzels making accuses for the poor return on media rights. It’s simple, prior to Covid they basically got the same money with 2 less teams. After covid they missed out on $500m until the next deal.

Oh and what helped AFL stay in a strong position to negotiate on media? Well not being BFFs with 9 and News Ltd due to being conflicted as Chairman and CEO of Racing NSW certainly helped.

In addition, owning Marvel stadium outright - a deal the AFL did a head of schedule just before covid allowed them to secure a $1b loan to protect their code.

Because the AFL was run so much better than NRL for the past 25 years and collected assets, they were in the stronger position in crisis. They also didn’t rush into negotiations and panic like NRL administration did, they also had a guy that had negotiated media rights deals for over a decade lead negotiations. NRL let a guy that’s never negotiated a proper media rights deal get bent over by 9 and News Ltd.

Oh how valuable an extra $500m could have been to set up 18, 19 and 20 teams. And as for talk I see on here about NRL getting to 20 teams quicker than AFL.

By the next AFL media rights, in 2033 they will have Tasmania and Perth3. Lions will have set up nicely in south west Brisbane/Ipswich for a decade and a new GABBA funded entirely from Qld government.

NRL might have 3 more clubs from either Perth, a PNG/Pasifika team and Brisbane3 (if the News Ltd owned Broncos allow it) or Central Qld or Melbourne2 or NZ2.

I really don’t understand why you PVL lovers buy into the bullshit. Without a presence in all capital cities you won’t really grow the game. As much as it makes sense to have 4 clubs in Brisbane after the Olympics, it won’t really grow ratings. Everyone in qld already watches NRL, regardless of the club they go for. What grows ratings is new markets and new eyes. Perth and Adelaide are the biggest markets in Australia available. But sure focus on Vegas you dingus’.

Also, I love how me and others say “well the AFL pretty much copied NFL etc from the 80s to grow their game and be no.1 - why don’t the NRL do the same?”… and we are the ones abused etc when we actually want NRL to succeed at its highest possible level.

When PVL came in he said perth was a waste of time. Me and others said that was an idiotic view. Morons on here backed PVLs insular view of NRL. PVL does a backflip and backs perth and not one PVL lover calls out his failings. They even have the gumption to say “yeah we’ve always been pro Perth”.

$500m could help fund local improvements to local Sydney stadiums. Instead of badgering government in an economic downturn to fund these white elephants, if NRL negotiated a better media rights deal in the same ball park as AFL they could fund stadia for poor performing Sydney clubs who’s supporters don’t turn up. Rather than the tax payer propping up a sport that in all honesty has proven time and agiancouldn’t run a f**king chook raffle.

And again, AFL looked at ground rationalisation in the 80s. All Melbourne teams got shifted to 2 state of the art grounds and minimised/shared ongoing costs. With two key stadia they locked in government to always update them.

In Sydney you PVL lovers expect NSW government and tax payers to fund stadiums for Manly, Parramatta, Penrith, Wests, Canterbury, Cronulla, St George, Easts and South’s. There’s like 10 or 12 grounds (including Woolongong and Newcastle) you idiots want NSW Government to fork out billions for, and at ground that’s are lucky to be half full most of the time.

Until you fix the bleeding obvious and at least rationalise where Sydney clubs play NRL ain’t gonna be as good as it can be. Until NRL focuses on Perth and Adelaide they can’t draw more eyes on the sport. If you don’t draw more eyes, even if it’s just for finals and State of Origin, media rights deals stagnate.

It’s all pretty simple stuff PVL lovers are just too stupid to understand.

Bro, I'm not hating, but I ain't reading that.

Try to be more concise.
 

BlueandGold

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Yeah really gotta love the “if you take marvel out of the equation” types. Haha if we just take away all the smart business operations of AFL over the past 30 years then yes NRL is on the same level hahaha.

Before covid the media rights deals (where every code in the world makes their most revenue) we’re basically the same between NRL and AFL.

Post 2020, there’s a $500m dollar gap from until the next NRL rights deal which is what 2027 or 28. So from 2023-2027 AFL negotiated a gap of $500m. That’s never happened before. They go back to the 90s and go “NRL had 10m and AFL had 17m for media rights. So the percentage gap was higher in the 90s”.

I just used an inflation calculator and a $7m gap in 1995 is worth just under $14m in 2023. So in the 90s AFL had a $14m gap on NRL for media in todays money.

Fast forward to 2023 - about 30 years, and that gap is $500m. The AFL has increased the media rights gap by 35.7 times. This is all under one guys watch, PVL.

In 2015, NRL got $1.9b (including international rights) for 5 years. Around the same time AFL got $2.5b for six years. That’s $380m a year for NRL and AFL $410m annually.

So the difference was about $120m over a four year period. Fast forward 8 years later and the difference is $500m in four years 2024-27. That’s over a 300% increase ffs.

Haha the spin merchant PVL lovers on here just refuse to see AFL stayed quiet during COVID and had media eating out their hands.

Whereas NRL got there heads in the media every day saying how much better they did than AFL and that no one could have negotiated better money than what PVL got. Fast forward to the end of 2022 and Alpha Gil made NRL and Beta PVL look like amateurs.

PVL lovers twist them selves into pretzels making accuses for the poor return on media rights. It’s simple, prior to Covid they basically got the same money with 2 less teams. After covid they missed out on $500m until the next deal.

Oh and what helped AFL stay in a strong position to negotiate on media? Well not being BFFs with 9 and News Ltd due to being conflicted as Chairman and CEO of Racing NSW certainly helped.

In addition, owning Marvel stadium outright - a deal the AFL did a head of schedule just before covid allowed them to secure a $1b loan to protect their code.

Because the AFL was run so much better than NRL for the past 25 years and collected assets, they were in the stronger position in crisis. They also didn’t rush into negotiations and panic like NRL administration did, they also had a guy that had negotiated media rights deals for over a decade lead negotiations. NRL let a guy that’s never negotiated a proper media rights deal get bent over by 9 and News Ltd.

Oh how valuable an extra $500m could have been to set up 18, 19 and 20 teams. And as for talk I see on here about NRL getting to 20 teams quicker than AFL.

By the next AFL media rights, in 2033 they will have Tasmania and Perth3. Lions will have set up nicely in south west Brisbane/Ipswich for a decade and a new GABBA funded entirely from Qld government.

NRL might have 3 more clubs from either Perth, a PNG/Pasifika team and Brisbane3 (if the News Ltd owned Broncos allow it) or Central Qld or Melbourne2 or NZ2.

I really don’t understand why you PVL lovers buy into the bullshit. Without a presence in all capital cities you won’t really grow the game. As much as it makes sense to have 4 clubs in Brisbane after the Olympics, it won’t really grow ratings. Everyone in qld already watches NRL, regardless of the club they go for. What grows ratings is new markets and new eyes. Perth and Adelaide are the biggest markets in Australia available. But sure focus on Vegas you dingus’.

Also, I love how me and others say “well the AFL pretty much copied NFL etc from the 80s to grow their game and be no.1 - why don’t the NRL do the same?”… and we are the ones abused etc when we actually want NRL to succeed at its highest possible level.

When PVL came in he said perth was a waste of time. Me and others said that was an idiotic view. Morons on here backed PVLs insular view of NRL. PVL does a backflip and backs perth and not one PVL lover calls out his failings. They even have the gumption to say “yeah we’ve always been pro Perth”.

$500m could help fund local improvements to local Sydney stadiums. Instead of badgering government in an economic downturn to fund these white elephants, if NRL negotiated a better media rights deal in the same ball park as AFL they could fund stadia for poor performing Sydney clubs who’s supporters don’t turn up. Rather than the tax payer propping up a sport that in all honesty has proven time and agiancouldn’t run a f**king chook raffle.

And again, AFL looked at ground rationalisation in the 80s. All Melbourne teams got shifted to 2 state of the art grounds and minimised/shared ongoing costs. With two key stadia they locked in government to always update them.

In Sydney you PVL lovers expect NSW government and tax payers to fund stadiums for Manly, Parramatta, Penrith, Wests, Canterbury, Cronulla, St George, Easts and South’s. There’s like 10 or 12 grounds (including Woolongong and Newcastle) you idiots want NSW Government to fork out billions for, and at ground that’s are lucky to be half full most of the time.

Until you fix the bleeding obvious and at least rationalise where Sydney clubs play NRL ain’t gonna be as good as it can be. Until NRL focuses on Perth and Adelaide they can’t draw more eyes on the sport. If you don’t draw more eyes, even if it’s just for finals and State of Origin, media rights deals stagnate.

It’s all pretty simple stuff PVL lovers are just too stupid to understand.


All that to be completely wrong. hahaha

Fox/Seven AFL 2.21b cash

Fox/Nine NRL 2.05b cash or 410m cash a year.

Gap in cash will be about 160m.

Telstra has been excluded as that is for Comms at Marvel stadium and is not 7 or Fox.

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Perth Red

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All that to be completely wrong. hahaha

Fox/Seven AFL 2.21b cash

Fox/Nine NRL 2.05b cash or 410m cash a year.

Gap in cash will be about 160m.

Telstra has been excluded as that is for Comms at Marvel stadium and is not 7 or Fox.

View attachment 75980
Rubbish
for starters we don’t know if the $400mill nrl announcement was cash only, or cash and contra. Secondly the nrl deal includes $5mill of tv rights value. Lastly afl announced $571mill cash a year inc telstra.

reality is the tv revenue gap come 2025 is at least $145mill a year and potentially more.
 

The Penguin #6.

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Yeah really gotta love the “if you take marvel out of the equation” types. Haha if we just take away all the smart business operations of AFL over the past 30 years then yes NRL is on the same level hahaha.

Before covid the media rights deals (where every code in the world makes their most revenue) we’re basically the same between NRL and AFL.

Post 2020, there’s a $500m dollar gap from until the next NRL rights deal which is what 2027 or 28. So from 2023-2027 AFL negotiated a gap of $500m. That’s never happened before. They go back to the 90s and go “NRL had 10m and AFL had 17m for media rights. So the percentage gap was higher in the 90s”.

I just used an inflation calculator and a $7m gap in 1995 is worth just under $14m in 2023. So in the 90s AFL had a $14m gap on NRL for media in todays money.

Fast forward to 2023 - about 30 years, and that gap is $500m. The AFL has increased the media rights gap by 35.7 times. This is all under one guys watch, PVL.

In 2015, NRL got $1.9b (including international rights) for 5 years. Around the same time AFL got $2.5b for six years. That’s $380m a year for NRL and AFL $410m annually.

So the difference was about $120m over a four year period. Fast forward 8 years later and the difference is $500m in four years 2024-27. That’s over a 300% increase ffs.

Haha the spin merchant PVL lovers on here just refuse to see AFL stayed quiet during COVID and had media eating out their hands.

Whereas NRL got there heads in the media every day saying how much better they did than AFL and that no one could have negotiated better money than what PVL got. Fast forward to the end of 2022 and Alpha Gil made NRL and Beta PVL look like amateurs.

PVL lovers twist them selves into pretzels making accuses for the poor return on media rights. It’s simple, prior to Covid they basically got the same money with 2 less teams. After covid they missed out on $500m until the next deal.

Oh and what helped AFL stay in a strong position to negotiate on media? Well not being BFFs with 9 and News Ltd due to being conflicted as Chairman and CEO of Racing NSW certainly helped.

In addition, owning Marvel stadium outright - a deal the AFL did a head of schedule just before covid allowed them to secure a $1b loan to protect their code.

Because the AFL was run so much better than NRL for the past 25 years and collected assets, they were in the stronger position in crisis. They also didn’t rush into negotiations and panic like NRL administration did, they also had a guy that had negotiated media rights deals for over a decade lead negotiations. NRL let a guy that’s never negotiated a proper media rights deal get bent over by 9 and News Ltd.

Oh how valuable an extra $500m could have been to set up 18, 19 and 20 teams. And as for talk I see on here about NRL getting to 20 teams quicker than AFL.

By the next AFL media rights, in 2033 they will have Tasmania and Perth3. Lions will have set up nicely in south west Brisbane/Ipswich for a decade and a new GABBA funded entirely from Qld government.

NRL might have 3 more clubs from either Perth, a PNG/Pasifika team and Brisbane3 (if the News Ltd owned Broncos allow it) or Central Qld or Melbourne2 or NZ2.

I really don’t understand why you PVL lovers buy into the bullshit. Without a presence in all capital cities you won’t really grow the game. As much as it makes sense to have 4 clubs in Brisbane after the Olympics, it won’t really grow ratings. Everyone in qld already watches NRL, regardless of the club they go for. What grows ratings is new markets and new eyes. Perth and Adelaide are the biggest markets in Australia available. But sure focus on Vegas you dingus’.

Also, I love how me and others say “well the AFL pretty much copied NFL etc from the 80s to grow their game and be no.1 - why don’t the NRL do the same?”… and we are the ones abused etc when we actually want NRL to succeed at its highest possible level.

When PVL came in he said perth was a waste of time. Me and others said that was an idiotic view. Morons on here backed PVLs insular view of NRL. PVL does a backflip and backs perth and not one PVL lover calls out his failings. They even have the gumption to say “yeah we’ve always been pro Perth”.

$500m could help fund local improvements to local Sydney stadiums. Instead of badgering government in an economic downturn to fund these white elephants, if NRL negotiated a better media rights deal in the same ball park as AFL they could fund stadia for poor performing Sydney clubs who’s supporters don’t turn up. Rather than the tax payer propping up a sport that in all honesty has proven time and agiancouldn’t run a f**king chook raffle.

And again, AFL looked at ground rationalisation in the 80s. All Melbourne teams got shifted to 2 state of the art grounds and minimised/shared ongoing costs. With two key stadia they locked in government to always update them.

In Sydney you PVL lovers expect NSW government and tax payers to fund stadiums for Manly, Parramatta, Penrith, Wests, Canterbury, Cronulla, St George, Easts and South’s. There’s like 10 or 12 grounds (including Woolongong and Newcastle) you idiots want NSW Government to fork out billions for, and at ground that’s are lucky to be half full most of the time.

Until you fix the bleeding obvious and at least rationalise where Sydney clubs play NRL ain’t gonna be as good as it can be. Until NRL focuses on Perth and Adelaide they can’t draw more eyes on the sport. If you don’t draw more eyes, even if it’s just for finals and State of Origin, media rights deals stagnate.

It’s all pretty simple stuff PVL lovers are just too stupid to understand.
Bro, I'm not hating, but I ain't reading that.

Try to be more concise.
That answer of his ought be divided into quarters.
 

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