Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[BuffaloRules]

Once Pvl goes expansion and push overseas will lessen or end and whoever replaces him will just live off his legacy and think he or she is a good administrator

I actually think NZ2 will be more of a chance when he moves on ….PVL seems dirty on them IMO… was even talking up Brisbane 3 over them the other day …

He has been a good leader overall for the game though no doubt … I suspect he has a few more years left in him ..

 

[Captain Apollo]

From 2028 the nrl will have around 250 million extra cash from the new tv deal and sponsors

Easiest split is to assume clubs / players / arl get one third each so around 83 million each (though arl already makes 63 million doesn’t need that increase imo)

Helps expansion clubs too as clubs will be getting close to ten million over cap

If nrl could sign say 40 union “stars” post World Cup that would help our player depth

Like previous tv deals I think year one will be biggest jump then incrementally over the remaining life of the tv deal

According to an article I read this weekend, the current CBA with the RLPA guarantees the players 41% of revenue when the NRL's revenue is above a certain figure (I can't remember what the exact figure is, sorry).

 

[Iamback]

Amazon does Thursday night football, NFL for 15 rounds per season.

Amazon do that yes, they need an audience of 11m to run that game as a positive.

Even then every team has their own production to limit the logistics for Amazon.

We don't have the population here to make it viable

 

[Wb1234]

According to an article I read this weekend, the current CBA with the RLPA guarantees the players 41% of revenue when the NRL's revenue is above a certain figure (I can't remember what the exact figure is, sorry).

There’s a fixed revenue percentage which might be that 41 percent figure

They and the clubs also split with the arl any excess profits the arl makes over budget which this year was an extra 21 million over budget

I read somewhere each player gets 40k don’t know if the maths works out

 

[Red&BlackBear]

From 2028 the nrl will have around 250 million extra cash from the new tv deal and sponsors

Easiest split is to assume clubs / players / arl get one third each so around 83 million each (though arl already makes 63 million doesn’t need that increase imo)

Helps expansion clubs too as clubs will be getting close to ten million over cap

If nrl could sign say 40 union “stars” post World Cup that would help our player depth

Like previous tv deals I think year one will be biggest jump then incrementally over the remaining life of the tv deal

None of the above really touches on the crux which is any rise in cap (and by proxy the overall grant) should be incremental in my view. The aim would be to still hit that nice number, gradually.

On your other point - I don’t think the NRL needs an extra 40 union players. Thats just a short term sugar hit. Short term publicity would be high for sure but I don’t think the overall needle moves that much - if at all - by having, or not having those union players available, outside of maybe the initial debut games and build up to those said games.

In my view that cash would be better being spent on continuing to improve junior systems in both junior club land & school competition levels. If we are targeting union players - continue to target their elite juniors. More investment into pathways means better resourced (and therefore more attractive) clubs/schools which means better overall participation numbers. Better participation numbers, means bigger overall net of player pool.

In my view the end goal should be to have the necessary funding to ensure all clubs Top 30’s eventually become Top 35’s with each player on those lists being equally capable. That will take some investment back to where it all starts - junior level. That will always be the lifeblood of the game and therefore comp.

I'd really like the NRL to move towards owning stadiums if they're going to be continuing purchasing assets.
The NRL should build a 40k stadium in Liverpool ( yes it would require a massive loan) for Tigers and Bulldogs, buy and rebuild Shark park for starters.

Right now for where the NRL’s current capital position is - owning hotels has a far greater return on investment than owning stadiums would. Stadiums can be massive financial black holes. Conversely stadiums can also be very profitable - if the private ownership model is structured correctly.

If they intend to one day owning stadiums then a bit of thought needs to go into it. I’d even go as far as saying it’ll require a thorough and holistic approach to the business model. Key items like entertainment districts and accommodation in close proximity only elevate the stadiums stocks.

That’s a considerable amount of capital required. NRL is currently sub $400m in total assets.
Stadium ownership comes with a lot of risk and we wouldn’t see the returns for a few years. I think the game is a fair bit away from that launch point. Perhaps once we start inching closer to being a business/organisation with a total worth value over $5b then we might almost be there. We are about 55-60% of the way there right now.

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

There’s a fixed revenue percentage which might be that 41 percent figure

They and the clubs also split with the arl any excess profits the arl makes over budget which this year was an extra 21 million over budget

I read somewhere each player gets 40k don’t know if the maths works out

I hate saying this but it really does sound like Trump`s tariff dividend of $2000 for every American man, woman or child. LOL.

 

[colly]

Amazon do that yes, they need an audience of 11m to run that game as a positive.

Even then every team has their own production to limit the logistics for Amazon.

We don't have the population here to make it viable

In March 2021, Amazon acquired rights to become the exclusive broadcaster of Thursday Night Football initially starting with the 2023 season and running through 2033, paying approximately $1 billion per year to become the first streaming service to exclusively carry a package of NFL games.
Also they do broadcast TV into the respective team markets while Amazon has the rest.

So if we ask for $50 million for Thursday Night Football (TNF) all they would require would be 500, 000 audience which i very doable-

 

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V’landys is off-contract as ARL Commission chair at season’s end.
The father of three opened up about the stresses of the role and says he is weighing up whether to remain in the job for another term in 2027.
“It’s not easy. It does take a toll on me,” he said.
“It comes with a lot of responsibility and I take it very seriously because we are the custodians of the game.
“We provide entertainment and enjoyment for millions of people.
“At times, it gets not overwhelming … but all-consuming. It causes you to lose sleep. The job is on my mind 24-7.
“As hard as I try, the game is always on my mind. It can be stressful. But I got myself into this. I knew exactly what to expect, but you get enjoyment when you see the successes.
“Who knows if I will go on?
“I’m one of those people who never takes things for granted. I will never take it for granted that I will still be wanted or I will still be in this role (next year).”
V’landys is a realist – he knows he can be there one day and gone the next.
“I just don’t plan for it. One day it will happen that I’m gone,” he said.
“I don’t sit there every day thinking about it, I just get on with the job.
“The minute you aren’t successful the NRL clubs will be waving you goodbye and that’s how it should be. But they know, right now, the game is in the best financial position ever.”


Once Pvl goes expansion and push overseas will lessen or end and whoever replaces him will just live off his legacy and think he or she is a good administrator

He says his every year. He’s like Bellamy.

 

[siv]

Strange quote from PVL ‘“At the end of it, whatever rights fees you get, the consumer pays for it, so you have to be careful you don’t alienate your fans by doing a record deal’. Sounds like he is suggesting it might not be as much a predicted.

If the fan base remains the same size - prices must go up

But if you increase the fan base prices will be reasonable

 

[T-Boon]

If they do give the players a big pay increase they should also give them a lot more work to do off the field promoting the game.

 

[newc18]

He’s an idiot

League fans are already paying more for kayo to cover the afl tv deal and it’s only going to go up even more if they want Fox to pay them the extra 200 million a year they want from them

He actually talked about that in his interview with hello sport. He said they might look at having an input through how much the streamer can charge. He mentioned the AFL's broadcast deal.

 

[Gobsmacked]

He actually talked about that in his interview with hello sport. He said they might look at having an input through how much the streamer can charge. He mentioned the AFL's broadcast deal.

It is an important balance.
Grow revenue through pay tv rights deal who charge too much, you're ratings go down along with engagement ,the sport actually goes backwards and the next rights are worth less.

Affordable package and you don't get the big increase in revenue but ratings and support grow and the sport gets bigger, making the next deal worth more.

The Warriors are massive in NZ and that can in part be attributed to most of their games being shown on the free to air channel.. ratings and NRL grow and the next rights deal in NZ is worth more...

In other words: the NRL is smart enough to not bite the hand that feeds them.

 

[Barney Stubble]

Ampol State of Origin heads to New Zealand

State of Origin’s global footprint will grow in 2027 following the confirmation that New Zealand will host its first-ever State of Origin match next year at Eden Park, Auckland.

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what date , what time Pete ?
needs to be the middle game , a stand alone Sunday evening their time 6pm kickoff , back into Australia on TV at 4pm. Ch 9 can EAD with a Wednesday night game with a 9.30pm kickoff.
Womens on Friday , Boys & Girls on Saturday.

 

[Iamback]

In March 2021, Amazon acquired rights to become the exclusive broadcaster of Thursday Night Football initially starting with the 2023 season and running through 2033, paying approximately $1 billion per year to become the first streaming service to exclusively carry a package of NFL games.
Also they do broadcast TV into the respective team markets while Amazon has the rest.

So if we ask for $50 million for Thursday Night Football (TNF) all they would require would be 500, 000 audience which i very doable-

Where are the producers, commentary team etc in that number?

The NRL needs to produce the games centrally and on sell the games. That then makes it possible to go down that road

 

[Gobsmacked]

 

[colly]

Where are the producers, commentary team etc in that number?

The NRL needs to produce the games centrally and on sell the games. That then makes it possible to go down that road

We can (NRL) do/produce Thursday night football, just use the same contractors and part pay for a different feed or employ them outright to produce for Amazon, plus why not give them games on subscription which are sold to free Tv, again part pay contractor so Amazon has two games with special emphasis on Thursday.

 

[RL The greatest game]

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V’landys is off-contract as ARL Commission chair at season’s end.
The father of three opened up about the stresses of the role and says he is weighing up whether to remain in the job for another term in 2027.
“It’s not easy. It does take a toll on me,” he said.
“It comes with a lot of responsibility and I take it very seriously because we are the custodians of the game.
“We provide entertainment and enjoyment for millions of people.
“At times, it gets not overwhelming … but all-consuming. It causes you to lose sleep. The job is on my mind 24-7.
“As hard as I try, the game is always on my mind. It can be stressful. But I got myself into this. I knew exactly what to expect, but you get enjoyment when you see the successes.
“Who knows if I will go on?
“I’m one of those people who never takes things for granted. I will never take it for granted that I will still be wanted or I will still be in this role (next year).”
V’landys is a realist – he knows he can be there one day and gone the next.
“I just don’t plan for it. One day it will happen that I’m gone,” he said.
“I don’t sit there every day thinking about it, I just get on with the job.
“The minute you aren’t successful the NRL clubs will be waving you goodbye and that’s how it should be. But they know, right now, the game is in the best financial position ever.”


Once Pvl goes expansion and push overseas will lessen or end and whoever replaces him will just live off his legacy and think he or she is a good administrator

Hopefully he will stay on for another 2 years at least, as he's the person the other football codes more fear than anybody else and lives in their heads 24/7

 

[RL The greatest game]

I actually think NZ2 will be more of a chance when he moves on ….PVL seems dirty on them IMO… was even talking up Brisbane 3 over them the other day …

He has been a good leader overall for the game though no doubt … I suspect he has a few more years left in him ..

I think PV thinking about Brisbanee.3 is that it will give the NRL 5 clubs in Queensland and that equates to 20 Queensland derbys on a home and away basis, which is a lot of column inches and media coverage.

 

[Gobsmacked]

I think PV thinking about Brisbanee.3 is that it will give the NRL 5 clubs in Queensland and that equates to 20 Queensland derbys on a home and away basis, which is a lot of column inches and media coverage.

QLD derby's aren't really much of a thing though, it's just a derby with the Broncos that it adds.
Between Redcliff,GC and Cowboys don't rate any better than an interstate game. QLD is different, we like all our sides, when they play each other, it's more a shame one has to lose.
In time that'll change but for now, it's kinda meh.

 

[BuffaloRules]

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I think PV thinking about Brisbanee.3 is that it will give the NRL 5 clubs in Queensland and that equates to 20 Queensland derbys on a home and away basis, which is a lot of column inches and media coverage.

My thoughts are that it ticks some boxes going Brisbane 3 and is probably a bigger dollar spinner when you break down the numbers …,My preference personally is for NZ2 to capitalise on big growth in the game over there , and in recognition that they produce a lot of playing talent that needs to be given more local pathways through to the NRL level…

Dollars will likely win out in the end I suspect

NZ needs competitive tension in the local broadcast deal to drive that figure