Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[Perth Red]

How does it affect Perth Bears ?

What happens to them is your only interest right ?

Well it would likely mean us running our own reserve grade side out of perth, which I’m all for.
what it would mean for the NS and Easts partnerships would depend what the focus for those clubs becomes. It might mean more focus on jnrs and local community engagement for those clubs which wouldn’t be a bad thing.

 

[Perth Red]

Yes fine.

But he is a bit of an impediment then isn't he? Key decision maker who needs to be onside for a big change like this.

Yes he is, as is the nswrl. In fact probably the last impediments. Be interesting to see if vlad is up for that fight or not.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Ben Ikin isn’t with an nrl qlnd club? No he isn’t for it, no way he’s proposing to turn off the qrl gravy train tap.

Ah yes, the gravy train.

The money that’s funding the entire rugby league junior development pathways structures for the game.

The money that assists regional areas within rugby league heartland to ensure they keep producing talent which then the NRL clubs utilise.

The same pathways which are crucial for the Perth Bears player resourcing future proofing in the form of North Sydney Bears and currently Easts Tigers.

Let’s do what you think happens - let’s turn off the “gravy train”.

I’m sure kids between ages 6-15 will magically just populate as 16 years old ready for the NRL development systems without the adequate resourcing during their critical development ages and since NRL clubs only have limited spots in their junior teams structures - the kids quite not ready (but show promise) - let’s lose them to the game because we turned off the “gravy train” and therefore the state clubs won’t have the resources to keep them in the system and game.

Great insight champ. Did you smoke meth prior to posting it?

 

[BuffaloRules]

Well it would mean us running our own reserve grade side out of perth, which I’m all for.

Right right …so it’s ok for you to be self interested but not Ben Ikin …

There are going to be a lot more younger East Coasters playing in the “elite” Bears pathways that would probably be happier based in Sydney and Easts Brisbane than Perth ..: perhaps when that changes and Perth is producing the majority of the younger talent … change it then ..: probably will take 10 years

 

[Perth Red]

Ah yes, the gravy train.

The money that’s funding the entire rugby league junior development pathways structures for the game.

The money that assists regional areas within rugby league heartland to ensure they keep producing talent which then the NRL clubs utilise.

The same pathways which are crucial for the Perth Bears player resourcing future proofing in the form of North Sydney Bears and currently Easts Tigers.

Let’s do what you think happens - let’s turn off the “gravy train”.

I’m sure kids between ages 6-15 will magically just populate as 16 years old ready for the NRL development systems without the adequate resourcing during their critical development ages and since NRL clubs only have limited spots in their junior teams structures - the kids quite not ready (but show promise) - let’s lose them to the game because we turned off the “gravy train” and therefore the state clubs won’t have the resources to keep them in the system and game.

Great insight champ. Did you smoke meth prior to posting it?

You got a break down of how much of the nrl grant goes to jnr development and how much goes to running the top qrl cup comp? How much admin qrl take out of that? How much actually goes to jnr clubs, dev officer funding etc? Be interested to know if you have those breakdowns seeing as you seem to be in the know where the millions are flowing to.

 

[Perth Red]

Right right …so it’s ok for you to be self interested but not Ben Ikin …

There are going to be a lot more younger East Coasters playing in the “elite” Bears pathways that would probably be happier based in Sydney and Easts Brisbane than Perth ..: perhaps when that changes and Perth is producing the majority of the younger talent … change it then ..: probably will take 10 years

No self interest here, if reserve grade out of Perth happens great, if we get a better return from continuing a reserve grade partnership with easts and ns great,
However it is pointing to a reintroduction of nrl grade at some point in the future now the nrl will pay for it. seems the qlnd clubs are preparing for it and seemingly happy that it will be a better outcome for them.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

I said the qrl are dead set against it you tool. Pss and tears off track as usual.
The qlnd nrl clubs are readying for it.

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brisbanebroncs.passthebuck
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The Brisbane Broncos have revealed plans to launch a reserve grade team in the next step towards the NRL potentially resurrecting the famous league.

Sport Confidential can reveal the Queensland Rugby League is investigating a radical proposal for an 18-team league that will see the Broncos, Cowboys and Titans field reserve-grade sides in the prestigious Hostplus Cup.

That could be a precursor to ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys’ dream for the return of reserve grade and the under-21s to bolster the NRL.

The QRL has established a taskforce to discuss Queensland’s three NRL clubs – the Broncos, North Queensland and Titans – entering reserve-grade teams as part of an expanded Hostplus competition for 2027 or 2028.

If successful, as expected, the Broncos and Cowboys will boast reserve-grade teams for the first time in 30 years.

The Broncos were previously opposed to the reserve grade concept but have had a change of heart.

Broncos boss Dave Donaghy last week revealed the club had struck a development deal with the Sunshine Coast to beef-up Brisbane’s network ahead of their likely reserve-grade birth in the Hostplus Cup.

“The QRL are currently reviewing whether to allow NRL teams to have their own reserve grade side from 2028,” Donaghy said.

“The Broncos now have the southeast Queensland corner covered, from Burleigh through to Noosa.

“This approach and the timing will allow us to have everything well in place for sustained performance and success should the QRL decide to go down this (reserve-grade) path.”

QRL chief executive Ben Ikin declined to comment but confirmed discussions are underway for the Broncos, Titans and Cowboys to join the Queensland Cup.

The taskforce includes Dolphins CEO Terry Reader, Cowboys football boss Micheal Luck, Ipswich Jets supremo Steve Johnson and QRL chairman Brian Canavan.

Under the plan, current Brisbane stars not chosen for NRL duty – such as Selwyn Cobbo, Jesse Arthars, Cory Paix and Blake Mozer – would wear Broncos colours in Queensland’s premier rugby league competition.

The Titans have never had a reserve grade team, while the Broncos and Cowboys last appeared in the NSWRL ‘reggies’ competition in 1996.

it doesnt matter if qld nrl clubs are for it.
the point is who pays for the grades below say mal meninga cup? you realise almost all queensland cup clubs are essentially district rep teams made up of smaller junior clubs which feed into them. this filters all the way to under 6's. only dolphins pay for this structure top to bottom because guess what? they were a qrl club prior.

you want to turn off the money but fail to understand the reprecussions of how turning it off will affects the blood stream of the game which is the junior clubs prior to that tier which feed into the seniors.

 

[The Axe of Druss]

I said the qrl are dead set against it you tool. Pss and tears off track as usual.
The qlnd nrl clubs are readying for it.

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brisbanebroncs.passthebuck
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The Brisbane Broncos have revealed plans to launch a reserve grade team in the next step towards the NRL potentially resurrecting the famous league.

Sport Confidential can reveal the Queensland Rugby League is investigating a radical proposal for an 18-team league that will see the Broncos, Cowboys and Titans field reserve-grade sides in the prestigious Hostplus Cup.

That could be a precursor to ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys’ dream for the return of reserve grade and the under-21s to bolster the NRL.

The QRL has established a taskforce to discuss Queensland’s three NRL clubs – the Broncos, North Queensland and Titans – entering reserve-grade teams as part of an expanded Hostplus competition for 2027 or 2028.

If successful, as expected, the Broncos and Cowboys will boast reserve-grade teams for the first time in 30 years.

The Broncos were previously opposed to the reserve grade concept but have had a change of heart.

Broncos boss Dave Donaghy last week revealed the club had struck a development deal with the Sunshine Coast to beef-up Brisbane’s network ahead of their likely reserve-grade birth in the Hostplus Cup.

“The QRL are currently reviewing whether to allow NRL teams to have their own reserve grade side from 2028,” Donaghy said.

“The Broncos now have the southeast Queensland corner covered, from Burleigh through to Noosa.

“This approach and the timing will allow us to have everything well in place for sustained performance and success should the QRL decide to go down this (reserve-grade) path.”

QRL chief executive Ben Ikin declined to comment but confirmed discussions are underway for the Broncos, Titans and Cowboys to join the Queensland Cup.

The taskforce includes Dolphins CEO Terry Reader, Cowboys football boss Micheal Luck, Ipswich Jets supremo Steve Johnson and QRL chairman Brian Canavan.

Under the plan, current Brisbane stars not chosen for NRL duty – such as Selwyn Cobbo, Jesse Arthars, Cory Paix and Blake Mozer – would wear Broncos colours in Queensland’s premier rugby league competition.

The Titans have never had a reserve grade team, while the Broncos and Cowboys last appeared in the NSWRL ‘reggies’ competition in 1996.

"Under the plan, current Brisbane stars not chosen for NRL duty – such as Selwyn Cobbo, Jesse Arthars, Cory Paix and Blake Mozer – would wear Broncos colours in Queensland’s premier rugby league competition."

Um, Cobbo is contracted to the Dolphins

This "article" isnt worth the pixels its written in

 

[Dogs Of War]

Right right …so it’s ok for you to be self interested but not Ben Ikin …

There are going to be a lot more younger East Coasters playing in the “elite” Bears pathways that would probably be happier based in Sydney and Easts Brisbane than Perth ..: perhaps when that changes and Perth is producing the majority of the younger talent … change it then ..: probably will take 10 years

They really need to identify 4 schools that they can direct all that West Coast talent to. Even if they are private Union type schools, so they play a bit of Union and some league. As well as having those odd games against East Coast sides.

Only need to see Melbourne shifting their focus to local development, to understand that a local pipeline is important even if it will take some time to produce the goods.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

You got a break down of how much of the nrl grant goes to jnr development and how much goes to running the top qrl cup comp? How much admin qrl take out of that? How much actually goes to jnr clubs, dev officer funding etc? Be interested to know if you have those breakdowns seeing as you seem to be in the know where the millions are flowing to.

It’s significant and as it stands it isn’t anywhere near enough.

This is why areas competitions like Toowoomba and Mt Isa are currently struggling. Whilst the juniors are there, the adequate resources and funding isn’t due to limitations.

If you turn off this “gravy train” it only impacts those regions for the worst. Nothing good comes from it.

You need to understand rhat is a difference in letting QLD based NRL clubs enter the state comp which they actually already do - in the shape of the NRLQ tournament which both Bears and Chiefs are likely to enter in - and insinuating that there should be a cutting off of funding without fully understanding how that funding streams into the overall game.

I feel like you have had this argument multiple times and it’s been explained to you how the funding actually works - also multiple times.

QRL and NSWRL are incredibly important to the overall game. They facilitate and manage the development of rugby leagues player pool resources and field officials.

That “gravy train” needs to be more.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Well it would likely mean us running our own reserve grade side out of perth, which I’m all for.
what it would mean for the NS and Easts partnerships would depend what the focus for those clubs becomes. It might mean more focus on jnrs and local community engagement for those clubs which wouldn’t be a bad thing.

you realise those clubs already heavily focused on local community engagement yeh? lol
man ya a dummy.

 

[The_Wookie]

With all due respect Wookie, what does sustainable actually mean in fumbleball, I believe there`s a couple of Melbourne clubs and the usual suspects up north who completely rely on above cap payments to survive, why shouldn't Canberra join in the fun. And btw is Tasmania "sustainable" ?

Sustainable means they are self sustaining inclusive of a standard AFL distribution (all clubs are entitled to this as part of the franchise agreements). Some clubs receive more due to the centralised nature of AFL revenue collection between the MCG and Docklands - so signage, pourage, afl membership (league with club support), MCC (with AFL club support) and other revenue is included,

For the AFL, sustainable means justifiable to the clubs - as is happening in Queensland/NSW, and the 3 smaller Victorian clubs as a means of compensating for an uneven draw and stadium deals, compared to the big clubs.

Tasmania is only justifiable IF the Government contributes 11m a year indefinitely, as well as an average AFL distribution a couple of million over the base, which realistically is probably going to be higher than average. Canberra would have to offer similar.

The NT feasibility case showed that even more Government support would bre required.

 

[Perth Red]

It’s significant and as it stands it isn’t anywhere near enough.

This is why areas competitions like Toowoomba and Mt Isa are currently struggling. Whilst the juniors are there, the adequate resources and funding isn’t due to limitations.

If you turn off this “gravy train” it only impacts those regions for the worst. Nothing good comes from it.

You need to understand rhat is a difference in letting QLD based NRL clubs enter the state comp which they actually already do - in the shape of the NRLQ tournament which both Bears and Chiefs are likely to enter in - and insinuating that there should be a cutting off of funding without fully understanding how that funding streams into the overall game.

I feel like you have had this argument multiple times and it’s been explained to you how the funding actually works - also multiple times.

QRL and NSWRL are incredibly important to the overall game. They facilitate and manage the development of rugby leagues player pool resources and field officials.

That “gravy train” needs to be more.

My point is that at the moment a huge chunk of the qrl grant goes to paying for the qrl cup, admin fees and the slice hq takes of all that. Nrl to run and fund its own reserve grade and let the qrl spend the money on jnrs instead. But then they’d have to give up power, control and money and they won’t want that, oh no. That’s the gravy train I’m talking about not stopping jnr funding, sheesh hard work on here sometimes.

 

[Wb1234]

The nswrl and qrl are dinosaurs that were supposed to be eliminated by the introduction of the arlc to eliminate wasted money

The qrl was against the dolphins joining the nrl because they didn’t want one of their clubs going there. The nswrl wasted money on a needless court case

The clubs want national reserve grade. But it won’t come in because the nswrl and qrl wont allow it

They are holding back progress to protect their empires

 

[Captain Apollo]

The nswrl and qrl are dinosaurs that were supposed to be eliminated by the introduction of the arlc to eliminate wasted money

The qrl was against the dolphins joining the nrl because they didn’t want one of their clubs going there. The nswrl wasted money on a needless court case

The clubs want national reserve grade. But it won’t come in because the nswrl and qrl wont allow it

They are holding back progress to protect their empires

Um, no. The ARLC was formed with all NRL clubs + the NSWRL and QRL as members. That was how it was formed. Also, what evidence do you have that all clubs want a national reserve grade? Best I can recall is public statements saying the exact opposite many moons ago.

 

[Perth Red]

The nswrl and qrl are dinosaurs that were supposed to be eliminated by the introduction of the arlc to eliminate wasted money

The qrl was against the dolphins joining the nrl because they didn’t want one of their clubs going there. The nswrl wasted money on a needless court case

The clubs want national reserve grade. But it won’t come in because the nswrl and qrl wont allow it

They are holding back progress to protect their empires

a momentous day, Hull KR become world champions and me and Wb agree on something!!

 

[Perth Red]

Um, no. The ARLC was formed with all NRL clubs + the NSWRL and QRL as members. That was how it was formed. Also, what evidence do you have that all clubs want a national reserve grade? Best I can recall is public statements saying the exact opposite many moons ago.

Well Sydney clubs, melBourne and warriors already have their own reserve grade sides.
the three qlnd clubs all intend to run their own reserve grade side in next year or two
png will have its own reserve grade side
so that would probably only leave perth without its own

given it’s likely every nrl club bar perth will have its own reserve grade side it’s just a question of what comp they will all play in. Do they stay split into two comps or unify to form one national reserve grade comp.

 

[i0Nic]

Sustainable means they are self sustaining inclusive of a standard AFL distribution (all clubs are entitled to this as part of the franchise agreements). Some clubs receive more due to the centralised nature of AFL revenue collection between the MCG and Docklands - so signage, pourage, afl membership (league with club support), MCC (with AFL club support) and other revenue is included,

For the AFL, sustainable means justifiable to the clubs - as is happening in Queensland/NSW, and the 3 smaller Victorian clubs as a means of compensating for an uneven draw and stadium deals, compared to the big clubs.

Tasmania is only justifiable IF the Government contributes 11m a year indefinitely, as well as an average AFL distribution a couple of million over the base, which realistically is probably going to be higher than average. Canberra would have to offer similar.

The NT feasibility case showed that even more Government support would bre required.

there’s a difference between justifiable and sustainable. A bunch of the afl teams are justifiable but how they would go with a bit less rigging of the comp to favour them and the vastly extra funds they get in all facets - see gws, suns.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

My point is that at the moment a huge chunk of the qrl grant goes to paying for the qrl cup, admin fees and the slice hq takes of all that. Nrl to run and fund its own reserve grade and let the qrl spend the money on jnrs instead. But then they’d have to give up power, control and money and they won’t want that, oh no. That’s the gravy train I’m talking about not stopping jnr funding, sheesh hard work on here sometimes.

You have no point. You’re talking absolute uninformed & uneducated nonsense.

The QRL admin facilitates more than just the seniors in Q-Cup. They facilitate 6 direct full fledged representative competitions. Hotplus Cup, BMD, MM Cup, CC Cup, HN U19s and HN U17s all which fall directly within the Q-Cup clubs.

After that the QRL facilitate the regional comps.
Cairns DRL, Mackay DRL, Mid West RL, Mount Isa RL, Townsville DRL, Highlands CDRL, Gladstone DRL, Rockhampton DRL, Roma DRL, Toowoomba DRL, Bundaberg DRL, Central Burnett DRL, Southern Burnett DRL, SCDRL, GCDRL, BRL, IRL and another 3/4 I’ve missed.

Within those various districts there’s anywhere between 4-16 seniors clubs and 6-20 junior clubs.

QRL’s slice is to manage cash back into those districts. Your gravy train directly impacts junior funding because it impacts resourcing.

No one from QRL is getting rich because of this nonsensical gravy train you flag.

You yet again have no idea what you’re talking about and still continue to consistently drop nonsensical dribble as opinion. Yes, hard work indeed - hard work for everyone trying sift through the nonsense you conjure.

A bloke your age should have more common sense.

The nswrl and qrl are dinosaurs that were supposed to be eliminated by the introduction of the arlc to eliminate wasted money

The qrl was against the dolphins joining the nrl because they didn’t want one of their clubs going there. The nswrl wasted money on a needless court case

The clubs want national reserve grade. But it won’t come in because the nswrl and qrl wont allow it

They are holding back progress to protect their empires

No, the Qld based NRL clubs have flirted with the idea of their own senior reserves team but want nothing to do with the tiers below that. They don’t want to directly fund MM or CC which is the equivalent to SG and HM.

Thats where the issue lies. You still need considerable funding to the development grades irrespective of if there’s a national reserve grade or not.

As I said yesterday - 16/17 years olds who are ready to go into the best elite NRL pathways don’t magically sprout. They still require years worth of resources put towards their talents to be able to get to that stage. QRL funds that, always has.

Dolphins - due to their structure all the way down to under-6s through various affiliated junior clubs that feed into the overarching Dolphins system also have that correct set up. (ie. junior clubs in Aspley, Banyo, Brothers Norths, Norths Juniors, Holy Spirit, Sanford, Valleys, Arana Hills, Brighton, Mitchelton, Wests, Dolphins Juniors, Pine Rivers, Dayboro).

It’s far more complex than these 5 minute league unlimited posts from people who don’t understand the intricacies of the QRL seem to understand.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Well Sydney clubs, melBourne and warriors already have their own reserve grade sides.
the three qlnd clubs all intend to run their own reserve grade side in next year or two
png will have its own reserve grade side
so that would probably only leave perth without its own

given it’s likely every nrl club bar perth will have its own reserve grade side it’s just a question of what comp they will all play in. Do they stay split into two comps or unify to form one national reserve grade comp.

I don't think the QLD clubs wanted to run their own reggies teams. The system works pretty well in QLD Cup for them having their fingers in multiple clubs and enjoying some of the benefits of that arrangement. That's just something that people outside the game in QLD want. Gold Coast was going to go that way, then backed out, but in the process lost one of their feeder clubs which the Broncos jumped on.

We don't need a national reserve grade comp. The money it would cost is better invested into the various state leagues to develop the talent at that level.