Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[Red&BlackBear]

Lets do the correct maths

1 - ALL NRL clubs already run a U21/20 structure. So no extra funding needed

2 - squads to grow to 40 from 30+6. The NRL clubs already run up to 10 train and trial players outside of the 30+6 and call upon them during times of injury etc

Lets say you have 4 train and trial players playing on average 4 games. Thats $12k bonus each today plus say a $40k base salary salary

You could set player 37 to 40 to be on $50k contracts without much change

The Queensland clubs run a 3 week tournament in the middle of the year. That is what the NRLQ - learn what you’re talking about.

There’s a difference between hoping on a bus down or up the high way and 1 flight to NQ vs. various flights to NSW etc. There is a need for additional funding - are you challenged by design?

The U20s QLD NRL clubs don’t have squads of U20s on their payroll. They have some development players which are picked for those teams but majority of those players are in the QRL club systems but due to by proxy being in the individual NRL club feeder systems they qualify for those qld NRL clubs NRLQ squads. That’s how it works.

I think you’re seemingly transferring the NSW NRL club set up to that of QLD. But those NSW clubs actually filter all the way down - QLD clubs don’t.

Serious question - do you have a clue what you’re talking about? It’s utter nonsenses mate.

 

[siv]

The Queensland clubs run a 3 week tournament in the middle of the year. That is what the NRLQ - learn what you’re talking about.

There’s a difference between hoping on a bus down or up the high way and 1 flight to NQ vs. various flights to NSW etc. There is a need for additional funding - are you challenged by design?

The U20s QLD NRL clubs don’t have squads of U20s on their payroll. They have some development players which are picked for those teams but majority of those players are in the QRL club systems but due to by proxy being in the individual NRL club feeder systems they qualify for those qld NRL clubs NRLQ squads. That’s how it works.

I think you’re seemingly transferring the NSW NRL club set up to that of QLD. But those NSW clubs actually filter all the way down - QLD clubs don’t.

Serious question - do you have a clue what you’re talking about? It’s utter nonsenses.

Why can 13 of the 17 NRL clubs already do it then?

That includes all of the issues you raised

 

[Wb1234]

The Queensland nrl clubs want it

The qrl is running against the wishes of what the nrl clubs in qld wants

That’s what’s holding the game back is this archaic structure

 

[ground zero]

Sharks don,t even have a NSW Team. They bludge off the Newtown Jets. Cannot afford it a team in the lower grades. No wonder they always make the top 8. parasitic if u ask me. Why are they in the NRL for.

 

[siv]

Sharks don,t even have a NSW Team. They bludge off the Newtown Jets. Cannot afford it a team in the lower grades. No wonder they always make the top 8. parasitic if u ask me. Why are they in the NRL for.

A few years ago they were ready to return in RG

But it would have effectively shutdown Newtown or return them back to RMC

There is some work to do in NSW when NRL RG is established to setup the state wide part-time league

 

[siv]

Also anyone talking as if the NRL does not having the money to pay for travel

Today the NRL just flew 30 man squads from Brisbane and Auckland to play a trial at Leichhardt Oval in NSW of all places

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Also anyone talking as if the NRL does not having the money to pay for travel

Today the NRL just flew 30 man squads from Brisbane and Auckland to play a trial at Leichhardt Oval in NSW of all places

No one said NRL doesn’t have the money to travel.

However, you claimed there wouldn’t be any additional funding required - I was disputing the fact you think there’s no requirement for additional costs when in fact we are adding 2 extra tiered grades worth of squads. Squads that will require travel, accomodation, squad numbers rise and auxiliaries as facts that yes, there will be additional costs. Don’t try to flip on what you insinuated to begin with and what the context was.

You then said the new TV deal will cover any uplifts and whilst it likely could, I flagged with you that everything else is going to rise as well. Therefore this extra money to invest into 2 extra tiers of footy isn’t as great as what you perhaps perceive it to be. It seems like an exercise with little more benefit than what we currently have in place. Except in QLD because what we currently have in place actually supports regional and district rugby league while equally benefiting the QLD based NRL clubs.

It benefits the QLD based NRL clubs because it does all the ground work for them in relation to juniors and pathways.

The shift with the Warriors and Storm into the NSWRL has more to do with continued development of the pathways in NZ and Victoria than anything else. It’s no different to the Hunters in QRL. It’s far more feasible and economic with continuing with the current set ups. Drastically changing the set up doesn’t improve on what we have.

The Queensland nrl clubs want it

The qrl is running against the wishes of what the nrl clubs in qld wants

That’s what’s holding the game back is this archaic structure

The Queensland NRL clubs want/ed to participate in the Q-Cup but didn’t want to fund the junior grades to align with the structures of the competition.

QRL and the QLD NRL clubs agreed to set up a mini commission to investigate the feasibility. This commission included Terry Reader (Dolphins CEO), Michel Luck (Cowboys), Steve Johnson (Jets) and Canavan (QRL. Chair). The Titans and Broncos were invited to be part of it but declined - they are happy to proceed with whatever is determined.

If this was to happen then the QRL would help facilitate the NRL based Q-Cup clubs in a similar fashion to how they currently facilitate the NRLQ clubs. The grant back into QRL would be required rise to accomodate 18 teams. These QLD NRL clubs are not pushing for a national comp - they were only pushing to be included in the Q-Cup. There’s a difference there.

 

[Captain Apollo]

You need to realise that PVL and Ikin discuss the game and its current/future positioning of the game far more than people think.

If Ikin and Canavan are telling PVL something - best believe it’s completely tangible based and backed by strong data, analytics and metrics. These guys are all about the numbers and growth - upward trending trajectories.

I’ve mentioned a few times now that QRL advocated and continue to advocate for Suncorp’s capacity rise. Their organisation HQ is quite literally located 25m away from Stadiums QLD head office - which is within Suncorp Stadium. These organisations chat a lot to ensure they are on the same page.

This entire chat is an iceberg. People tend see what we see on top, above the water - this proposed national reserve grade and U-21’s comps however, people don’t see what’s actually below the water is propping it up. How it all functions in a systematic manner and why it’s critical to maintain its core matrix. Pulling it apart just because it looks pretty on Team List Tuesday - isn’t really the best tact here.



Even weirder when you consider that QRL chairman - Brian Canavan - has been a consultant on the Jets bid, a backer for Ipswich NRL bid and has had influence in getting the Jets facility upgrades to ensure they can really push forward for an NRL license.

Brian Canavan's a class act, and a good operator. He worked as Wayne Bennett's right hand at the Broncos in the early days. He then moved to the Roosters, first as Football Mangaer when gus was First Grade Coach, before evntually being groomed an replacing Bernie Gurr as its CEO. He left the Roosters, went back to other rl work, before being headhunted by Nick Politis to return as CEO at the Roosters for season 2013. When he decided to move on (and he wanted to leave, he's still on good terms with Nick and the Roosters board) he went to (I belive) the QRL. He know his football from a coaching and development stand point as that is where he spent a lot of his professional life doing.

I've never heard a bad word said about him by anyone anywhere.

p.s.

I've had a few beers with the guy many moons ago, and he talks quite openly about stuff.

 

[Captain Apollo]

One other thing, even if the NRL gets an increase on the TV rights deal, the players wiull have dibs on a fair share of that under the CBA. As such there won't be quite as much money "splurge around" on ongoing, recurrent costs like fundiung a Nationalk Reserve Grade an U/21s competition.

Additionally, besides cost, one of the reasons they did away with National U/21s was so it doesn't disrupt players of that age who are studying.

One thing I hjeard Phil Gould talk about in 2002 at a Roosters function was a talk he had with all the club's (then) Jersy Flegg players. He told them to look at the player sitting to their right and their left. He then said "out of the 3 of you, only 1 of you is lilkely to make it to first grade and have a long professional career". He'd then tell them they should have other plans than just being a professional rugby league player in place in case it didn't work out.

A classic player who didn't take that advice, and had to work hard when his professional career fizzeled due to injury? A guy named John McGrath. You might have heard of the bloke. He founded McGrath Real Estate (and I heard the story diretly from him at the same function).

 

[Wb1234]

One other thing, even if the NRL gets an increase on the TV rights deal, the players wiull have dibs on a fair share of that under the CBA. As such there won't be quite as much money "splurge around" on ongoing, recurrent costs like fundiung a Nationalk Reserve Grade an U/21s competition.

Additionally, besides cost, one of the reasons they did away with National U/21s was so it doesn't disrupt players of that age who are studying.

One thing I hjeard Phil Gould talk about in 2002 at a Roosters function was a talk he had with all the club's (then) Jersy Flegg players. He told them to look at the player sitting to their right and their left. He then said "out of the 3 of you, only 1 of you is lilkely to make it to first grade and have a long professional career". He'd then tell them they should have other plans than just being a professional rugby league player in place in case it didn't work out.

A classic player who didn't take that advice, and had to work hard when his professional career fizzeled due to injury? A guy named John McGrath. You might have heard of the bloke. He founded McGrath Real Estate (and I heard the story diretly from him at the same function).

With around 250 million of cash coming into the code there will be plenty for everyone

Players / clubs / arl could split this three ways so each group gets around 83 million each (so clubs get an extra 4.3 million each, salary cap goes up by that amount and arl has its 83 million to fund qrl / nswrl / juniors / asset investment)

Salary cap of around 17 million

Each nrl club grant would be around 26.5 million

So nrl clubs would have more than enough money to cover the costs of reserve grade sides and under 21s from their increased grants

 

[Chimp]

People often talk about Ben Ikin being ‘one of the smartest thinkers in the game’. What exactly is this based on?
What are the things that he has done that have got him this reputation? What business acumen has he got?
By the way, this isn’t a dig at Ikin, as I haven’t a clue about his post-football career, other then hosting NRL360, and a short and terrible spell at the Donkeys.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

People often talk about Ben Ikin being ‘one of the smartest thinkers in the game’. What exactly is this based on?
What are the things that he has done that have got him this reputation? What business acumen has he got?
By the way, this isn’t a dig at Ikin, as I haven’t a clue about his post-football career, other then hosting NRL360, and a short and terrible spell at the Donkeys.

He has some great ideas for both expansion and also future proofing rugby league heartland. His ideas are methodical and realistic to implement.

He also understands the realistic limitations and that the game has finite resources and funds to invest back into the game. He believes in strategic growth through a holistic approach but not at the expense of the destabilising existing infrastructures that prop up the game. Growth has to be incrementally across the board.

In footballing terms - you don’t try to strengthen a position by weakening another. You aim to strengthen both positions.

He understands the finances and how those finances work to running rugby league, the importance of the junior pathways and developments structures, the importance of regional heartland, the importance of Pasifika, PNG & New Zealand - he also understands the importance of resources such as officials, sports science, general infrastructure (ie sports technology, grounds, stadiums, training facilities etc) - he is all data and analytics based.

Much of the information he collates and presents always has real, genuine & tangible numbers and statistics to back it up.

He serves on the board of Queensland Sports Academy, CEO of QRL, director of Cure the Future foundation (a rare disease scientific research funding program that funds scientists and research doctors), he once served as a director to one of my business partners companies early on post retirement and learnt a lot of business acumen by shadowing him (he did general manager duties & learnt to deal with difficult government organisations and unions) - he got his MBA and other tertiary qualifications in this period. We came up in construction business together through this period.

He has served in media & in NRL football management through the Broncos. He has served as a director on the Cowboys board, commercial GM at the Titans, board advisor at VALD (medical scientific research and technologies).

He is well qualified.

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

People often talk about Ben Ikin being ‘one of the smartest thinkers in the game’. What exactly is this based on?
What are the things that he has done that have got him this reputation? What business acumen has he got?
By the way, this isn’t a dig at Ikin, as I haven’t a clue about his post-football career, other then hosting NRL360, and a short and terrible spell at the Donkeys.

Well poster after poster was caning him on the Rugby League commentators thread the other day, saying he didn`t provide one useful insight and said the same brain-dead thing repeatedly.
Apart from that, I know little about him but from what I`ve heard he`s not particularly impressive.
And MBA`s, if your prepared to pay, they`re not hard to get, even from top institutions. Christian Welsh says hi.
One thing I would add is that he married Bennett`s daughter, Bennett`s as sharp as a tack, I assume his daughter is pretty smart too and wouldn`t marry a dummy, having said that, didn`t Bob Fulton`s daughter marry Terry Hill.

 

[Chimp]

He has some great ideas for both expansion and also future proofing rugby league heartland. His ideas are methodical and realistic to implement.

He also understands the realistic limitations and that the game has finite resources and funds to invest back into the game. He believes in strategic growth through a holistic approach but not at the expense of the destabilising existing infrastructures that prop up the game. Growth has to be incrementally across the board.

In footballing terms - you don’t try to strengthen a position by weakening another. You aim to strengthen both positions.

He understands the finances and how those finances work to running rugby league, the importance of the junior pathways and developments structures, the importance of regional heartland, the importance of Pasifika, PNG & New Zealand - he also understands the importance of resources such as officials, sports science, general infrastructure (ie sports technology, grounds, stadiums, training facilities etc) - he is all data and analytics based.

Much of the information he collates and presents always has real, genuine & tangible numbers and statistics to back it up.

He serves on the board of Queensland Sports Academy, CEO of QRL, director of Cure the Future foundation (a rare disease scientific research funding program that funds scientists and research doctors), he once served as a director to one of my business partners companies early on post retirement and learnt a lot of business acumen by shadowing him (he did general manager duties & learnt to deal with difficult government organisations and unions) - he got his MBA and other tertiary qualifications in this period. We came up in construction business together through this period.

He has served in media & in NRL football management through the Broncos. He has served as a director on the Cowboys board, commercial GM at the Titans, board advisor at VALD (medical scientific research and technologies).

He is well qualified.

Thanks Ben….
You talk a lot about ‘what he knows’, but where is any evidence of him having a positive impact? What did he achieve in his tenure as a director at the Cowboys? In his role at the Titans?

I hear noise about him being a smart operator, but I can’t think of 1 thing he’s implemented, driven, been the force behind…. I get he’s a bit of a geek, but other than that, where’s his results?

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Well poster after poster was caning him on the Rugby League commentators thread the other day, saying he didn`t provide one useful insight and said the same brain-dead thing repeatedly.
Apart from that, I know little about him but from what I`ve heard he`s not particularly impressive.
And MBA`s, if your prepared to pay, they`re not hard to get, even from top institutions. Christian Welsh says hi.
One thing I would add is that he married Bennett`s daughter, Bennett`s as sharp as a tack, I assume his daughter is pretty smart too and wouldn`t marry a dummy, having said that, didn`t Bob Fulton`s daughter marry Terry Hill.

Dunno cob, his CV posted above demonstrates experience in rugby league management both club and governing organisation, sports science, sports technology, rugby league pathways, construction (in relation to rugby league), media,
Ya right mbas aren’t be all but they do open a lot doors. Gotta be in it to win it.
You say he is not impressive and yet he keeps jagging pretty impressive jobs.

but hey I’m sure league unlimited couch administrators know more than him hence people downplay lads like him…

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Thanks Ben….
You talk a lot about ‘what he knows’, but where is any evidence of him having a positive impact? What did he achieve in his tenure as a director at the Cowboys? In his role at the Titans?

I hear noise about him being a smart operator, but I can’t think of 1 thing he’s implemented, driven, been the force behind…. I get he’s a bit of a geek, but other than that, where’s his results?

Pretty sure he was at cowboys just before they won their gf in 2015. From like 2011-14.
looks like he was titans during their last genuinely good period 09-10.

he was a football manager at broncos that saw them get out of their worst period into a very good period.

That’s 3 positive impacts in club land due to the where the clubs were at prior to him being there and in titans case after it.

seems like he was instrumental helping Clydesdales back into qrl too going off timelines. That’s 4 impacts.

the best ceos tend to have good teams around them to implement vision and you don’t hear much of that ceo because they’re busy working.

 

[Chins]

Dunno cob, his CV posted above demonstrates experience in rugby league management both club and governing organisation, sports science, sports technology, rugby league pathways, construction (in relation to rugby league), media,

You say he is not impressive and yet he keeps jagging pretty impressive jobs.

Counter point, a run of the mill footy journalist has just became a CEO of an NRL side..........these jobs can't be that hard to get.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Counter point, a run of the mill footy journalist has just became a CEO of an NRL side..........these jobs can't be that hard to get.

Just some facts here cob, Chammas is football manager not ceo. The ceo of that club is a super experienced telecommunications lady. Bit of a difference.

same as running 1 club vs an entire governing body too I guess. It’s 1 club vs every single club under that bodies jurisdiction

 

[Fangs]

People often talk about Ben Ikin being ‘one of the smartest thinkers in the game’. What exactly is this based on?
What are the things that he has done that have got him this reputation? What business acumen has he got?
By the way, this isn’t a dig at Ikin, as I haven’t a clue about his post-football career, other then hosting NRL360, and a short and terrible spell at the Donkeys.

Was his spell at the Donkeys bad?

While he was around their roster got fixed. Way too forward heavy with nothing going on in the spine. Did he have a hand in getting Reynolds to Brisbane?

Apart from that he failed to get Kevvie fired. If he did that they'd have to build him a golden statue outside Suncorp.

 

[Wb1234]

When he was running nrl360 he did an excellent job

CEO of the broncos and now making a great contribution with the qrl

His next step should be on the arlc commission and I wouldn’t mind him as a future arl chairman

And being part of fattys amazing 1995 origin win when Wayne Bennett walked away saying the team was a joke because they had no chance of winning