Phillip Hughes has passed away at the age of 25

[TheParraboy]

The helmet manufacturer also said the new design would have not necessarily made any difference to his injury.

yup read that as well, but for the life of me cant find the article now

 

[BunniesMan]

Banning the bouncer is the equivalent of banning tackling in rugby league. Even batsmen wouldn't want that. And if you banned the bouncer you make cuts and pulls basically redundant. Then fielding positions change drastically.

It would ruin the game.

On another note, yesterday I was about to make a point about how Hughes should get the spot because of durability. With Clarke and Watson and Shaun Marsh (and many others) constantly breaking down I was going to say how Hughes has never missed a game at any level.

 

[Danish]

Typical comment of someone who doesn't play cricket and I'm being generous. This was a freak accident, it happens. This rubbish about banning bouncers is against the notion of cricket- it is the bowlers only weapon to set the batsmen up. Helmets are there, they will never be perfect and people like to wear them differently.

The bouncer is the only weapon a bowler has to set a batsman up? How on earth do spin bowlers get wickets then?

 

[Pete Cash]

There has to be a balance between the protection and movement of the head and comfort for the batsmen. Ricky Ponting got smashed on the jaw against Pakistan because it was simply too hot to wear a helmet and he had batted for ages. (its one of his best innings imo). Making batsmen put a full suit of armour on would be torture on a hot Australian day. Test batsmen are expected to be able to bat out a day.

What I would like to see (and this is very difficult to police) is more training on how to play bouncers starting from an early age. Even good batsmen occasionally duck into a bouncer now days. Shot selection might help as well but with Hughes it was just a freak accident. The shot was on.

Its not like Ponting getting hit by Harmison playing a shot that was never on or KP getting his ribs broke by McGrath charging him like a doofus. The only downside of the helmet is that modern day batsmen play vastly more dangerous shots that they would have ducked out of without a helmet on. The ball that hit Langer he ducked into from Ntini and took his eye off the ball.

 

[Pete Cash]

The bouncer is the only weapon a bowler has to set a batsman up? How on earth do spin bowlers get wickets then?

Its not the only weapon but its an important one. Genuine pace at the body is very difficult to play. The game already favours the batsmen overwhelmingly. We just had an Ashes summer where aggressive pace was used to great effect.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

The bouncer is the only weapon a bowler has to set a batsman up? How on earth do spin bowlers get wickets then?

The bouncer is obviously a weapon used for fast bowlers to go along with swing/slower ball etc etc,spin bowlers can't bowl bouncers so that's a weird sentence,spin bowlers use flight,variation,spin,drift etc etc.

 

[madunit]

I think in times of concern like this, it is easy to get carried away with opinions.

I do not think bouncers should be banned at all, at any level.

Helmets can only cover so much of the head without being restrictive.

While this is a horrible thing to have happened and we certainly want Phil to pull through and be 100% when he does, we must also understand that this was a freakish accident.

We've seen many players hit in the head with bouncers and next to no real damage (especially nothing as severe as this) has ever really happened.

All juniors should be made to wear helmets with the hope that they will continue wearing them into their senior careers.

I've seen players who have retired hurt after being hit above the heart and they blacked out briefly, or became very weak. There was also the horrific collision between Steve Waugh and Jason Gillsepie and the freakish Mark Boucher/bail injury to his eye, among many others

Cricket is a tricky game, injuries can come in very unique and very inconsistent ways. Trying to make rule changes to protect players is only going to see the game worsen while at the same time, not prevent all sorts of other unique freakish injuries from occurring.

All the game can do is ensure that it has the utmost best medical facilities available at games and that treatment is able to be made swiftly and without any hinderance.

 

[BunniesMan]

If this is true it seems odd and concerning. It took 14 minutes for anyone to call an ambulance:

QUESTIONS are being asked about the length of time it took for the NSW Ambulance service to get to a stricken Phillip Hughes at the Sydney Cricket Ground.

Hughes was struck behind the ear by a bouncer at 2.23pm but an ambulance did not arrive at the ground until 21 minutes later.

Today a spokesman from NSW Ambulance said it responded within eight minutes of receiving the first emergency call from the ground.

“The initial triple zero (000) call was received by NSW Ambulance at 2.37pm, arriving at the patient at 2.44pm where 2 paramedics provided support to the doctor on site treating the patient.”

That leaves a critical 14 minutes before a 000 call was placed from the ground.

Daily Telegraph reporter Ben Horne was at the SCG and said players were frantically signalling for a call to be made within moments of Hughes pitching face forward into the turf.

“David Warner was signalling for an ambulance to be called and then sprinted to the boundary to make sure that message was delivered,” said Horne.

For 21 crucial minutes until the paramedics arrived treatment of Hughes was left in the hands of NSW team doctor John Orchard, who administered CPR after Hughes was stretchered to the boundary.

“NSW officials were running everywhere looking for help,” said Horne.

“Wicket keeper Peter Nevill was standing out on Driver Avenue in his whites looking for an ambulance.”

Once the first ambulance had arrived it was followed by another four paramedics in two other ambulances who arrived at 3.02pm.

The NSW Ambulance spokesman said: “The NSW Ambulance helicopter, with a Specialist Doctor and Paramedic medical crew on board, was tasked to respond at 2.50pm, landing on the SCG at 3.05pm.

NSW AMBULANCE TIMETABLE

2.23pm: Phillip Hughes hit in the head by bouncer

2.37pm: NSW Ambulance receives first 000call from the ground

2.44pm: NSW Ambulance and two paramedics arrive at SCG

2.50pm: NSW Ambulance helicopter tasked to respond

3.02pm: Two more ambulances and four paramedics arrive

3.05pm: NSW Ambulance helicopter lands at the SCG

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/cr...apsed-at-the-scg/story-fnii5s3y-1227135555083

 

[madunit]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/australia/11253449/Phil-Hughes-latest-Helmet-manufacturer-Masuri-to-study-footage-of-incident-that-left-batsman-in-critical-condition.html

given Hughes appeared to be hit in the neck, the new helmet wouldn't have a lick of difference

 

[Someone]

someone has a lot to answer for it, disgusting it took 14 minutes for someone to call triple zero.

 

[BunniesMan]

given Hughes appeared to be hit in the neck, the new helmet wouldn't have a lick of difference

It's hard to know exactly how far below/behind the ear it was but maybe that extra inch would have been enough to deflect even just a little bit of the ball and stop a direct impact.

 

[madunit]

If this is true it seems odd and concerning. It took 14 minutes for anyone to call an ambulance:



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/cr...apsed-at-the-scg/story-fnii5s3y-1227135555083

I think being criticial of the medical system for the time it took is silly.

How many near death incidents have ambulances been required to attend to at the SCG, or any sports ground in the country?

It's a freak accident. Of course there weren't protocols in place for things like this.

I by no means am condoning that there were no protocols, just that I can understand that there weren't any.

As i said above, we can only hope that Hughes pull through and that all cricket grounds improve their safety/medical procedures/facilities at venues from here on in.

 

[BunniesMan]

someone has a lot to answer for it, disgusting it took 14 minutes for someone to call triple zero.

Yep. From what I've read the most important factor in recovery from these kinds of injuries is how quickly you get to a hospital. Every minute counts and I just don't know how they got to 14. What didn't they know at minute 5 or 10 or 12 that they figured out at minute 14.

Even if they didn't understand the obvious signals from the players it says Warner ran to the boundary to tell them and it still took nearly a quarter of an hour.

 

[BunniesMan]

I think being criticial of the medical system for the time it took is silly.

How many near death incidents have ambulances been required to attend to at the SCG, or any sports ground in the country?

It's a freak accident. Of course there weren't protocols in place for things like this.

I by no means am condoning that there were no protocols, just that I can understand that there weren't any.

As i said above, we can only hope that Hughes pull through and that all cricket grounds improve their safety/medical procedures/facilities at venues from here on in.

I'm not saying I expected proper protocols to be in place but when the players saw the seriousness within seconds I can't imagine how it took 14 minutes for anyone to dial 000.

 

[madunit]

It's hard to know exactly how far below/behind the ear it was but maybe that extra inch would have been enough to deflect even just a little bit of the ball and stop a direct impact.

I don't think so.

If this has hit his neck, I'm assuming directly on the pulmonary artery, then the newer helmet wouldn't have protected him

 

[WaznTheGreat]

14 Mins to ring ,i saw footage of Phil Hughes on the stretcher this morning by accident while flicking through channels and his facial complexion was ummm,yeah i don't even want to describe it,frightening.

 

[madunit]

I'm not saying I expected proper protocols to be in place but when the players saw the seriousness within seconds I can't imagine how it took 14 minutes for anyone to dial 000.

No cricketer or medic would have known the severity of this injury initially.

They would've thought he suffered delayed unconsciousness, not an injury to the extent that we all learned about later.

The people treating him at the scene would've, understandably, treated him for what they believed was a concussion type injury, as that is what they would've expected.

It's a freakish injury with an even more unique outcome that no one would have ever expected.

 

[lockyno1]

The bouncer is the only weapon a bowler has to set a batsman up? How on earth do spin bowlers get wickets then?

So you don't play cricket, okay we have established that. The bats are bigger, the boundaries shorter lets just put bowling machines out there ffs

 

[MrAnonymous]

Lol @ banning the bouncer, might as well not have fast bowling anymore if thats the case.

 

[Danish]

Its not the only weapon but its an important one. Genuine pace at the body is very difficult to play. The game already favours the batsmen overwhelmingly. We just had an Ashes summer where aggressive pace was used to great effect.

Bowling at the body is certainly a well used tactic. Wouldn't be affected by not allowing people to bowl at the head though, would it?

As I said I'd be happier for them to take a more serious approach to helmet design than make some drastic change to the game, but given we only allow a single bouncer per over at the moment anyway it wouldn't be that great a difference banning it completely. As mentioned previously bowlers could still concede a no ball to shake a batsman up, much like pitchers deliberately throw outside the strike zone to move a batter around in baseball (or like bowlers do in the game already when they want to bowl more than 1 at the head in an over)