Player Agents

[Twizzle]

I can't help but think what part these low lifes have played in this saga.

Can you imagine what a player's agent may have said to his client when accepting a new speed boat ?

I am you agent and adviser, I am here to advise and protect you, think very carefully fore you accept any gifts from the club which are not included in your contract.

or

Think very carefully before you accept any appearance fees for appearing on a sports show just a few times a year for alot of money that is not declared in your player contract.

Agents should be looking after their clients.

I'm not a fan of player agent as you can tell, they are given far too much press time to talk their players up when contracts are up for renewal which increases their commissions. Perhaps if they got a standard fee for a player signing then there would be a lot less problems than their earning a commission.

If these guys would have given better advice, or carried out their duties more diligently, alot of this may have been preventable.

 

[Eels Dude]

Player managers are only responsible for their player though. It's not their job to deal with the salary cap or structures etc. That's up to the club. Even if player managers were suspect deals were dodgy it's not their responsibility to correct them or look into it deeper.

 

[Crusher]

I can't help but think what part these low lifes have played in this saga.

Can you imagine what a player's agent may have said to his client when accepting a new speed boat ?

I am you agent and adviser, I am here to advise and protect you, think very carefully fore you accept any gifts from the club which are not included in your contract.

or

Think very carefully before you accept any appearance fees for appearing on a sports show just a few times a year for alot of money that is not declared in your player contract.

Agents should be looking after their clients.

I'm not a fan of player agent as you can tell, they are given far too much press time to talk their players up when contracts are up for renewal which increases their commissions. Perhaps if they got a standard fee for a player signing then there would be a lot less problems than their earning a commission.

If these guys would have given better advice, or carried out their duties more diligently, alot of this may have been preventable.

I remember the days when the closest thing to a player agent was someones manager at a Club, their senior officer, or boss at the hardware store who gave them time off to train and play footy.

Those days are obviously gone in a professional world but gee things were much simpler.

It's hard to put all agents in the same basket but Twizzle you have an ally in me. I've yet to see one agent who has any interest other than lining their own pockets with cash.

As you've said they should be looking after their clients first and that doesn;t always mean a fistful of cash alone.

We need Jerry Maguire.

 

[Keysee]

I think a possible solution going forward if for clubs to send contracts to the NRL and registered player agents forward a contract summary to the NRL with one line of player name, contract $$$, sponsor $$$, and third party $$$. The NRL can quickly do a comparison between the two amounts. If the player agent is found to be hiding funds, they are deregistered.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

Nope.

Have the player send it through themselves. (Surely they know how to use a fax or email?)

That way if anything happens we can be sure who knew about it. Obviously, if anamolies are found outside of the sent contract then we know the Club, player and manager all knew.

 

[gronkathon]

Comment edited because I was just wrong

 

[bartman]

Well said Twizzle. .

 

[simostorm]

Have i missed a news article somewhere? Has a player manager been involved in the Storm being over the cap.. or are you just making fasle allegations?

PLayer managers get the best deal possible for there players. Without them.. alotta kids would be gettin ripped off.

 

[Twizzle]

Have i missed a news article somewhere? Has a player manager been involved in the Storm being over the cap.. or are you just making fasle allegations?

PLayer managers get the best deal possible for there players. Without them.. alotta kids would be gettin ripped off.

haven't made any allegations

just asking if they are asking thier clients to act with due diligence, but then again beacuse of the commissions involved, that may not necessarily be in the agents best interest

 

[Twizzle]

Greg Inglis and Cameron Smith's agents face NRL inquest

• EXCLUSIVE by Dean Ritchie
• From: The Daily Telegraph

Two contracts ... Greg Inglis. Source: The Daily Telegraph





A SIX-man accreditation committee will debate whether the agents for Melbourne superstars Greg Inglis and Cameron Smith be deregistered by the NRL.



The Daily Telegraph can reveal that Allan Gainey - who manages Inglis - and Isaac Moses - who represents Smith - could be removed as accredited NRL agents as early as next month.

The Player Agents Accreditation Committee is seeking further information from the NRL about the Melbourne Storm salary cap fiasco before making a final decision on Gainey and Moses.

Ironically, Gainey is on the accreditation committee, a representative from the Player Managers Executive.

He would have to abstain if the matter goes to a vote.

There is also growing conflict among the player agents with some already attempting to steal players from rival managers caught up in the Storm fiasco.

Start of sidebar.



A Deloitte investigation found Gainey and Moses signed two contracts for their clients Inglis and Smith.

One was an official NRL contract, the second a "side" contract with a different - and inflated - amount of money.

The accreditation committee is expected to discuss the pair's actions at its next meeting on August 19 in Sydney.

Gainey was angry yesterday when contacted by The Daily Telegraph, saying he had sought legal advice over the matter and had conclusive documentation to clear his name.

Publicly, he only said: "I've got no comment whatsoever."

One source linked to the NRL said the evidence against the two agents was "compelling".

But Moses said yesterday: "I've got no comment. We have been cleared by Deloitte. Everything is fine."

If the managers are found to have acted inappropriately, they will be given a chance to explain their behaviour to the committee.

The committee is Gainey, Martin Meredith, David Garnsey, Geoff Bellew, Jamie Barrington, Bruce Wallace and Peter Tracey.

Another leading agent, George Mimis, did not sign a "side" contract for his client, Storm star Billy Slater.

If deregistered, the NRL will refuse to register a contract negotiated by the agent.

The managers however snuck around the rule recently with Willie Mason's one-year contract at North Queensland.

With his manager Greg Keenan not accredited, Mason had his deal negotiated through a third party who was registered by the NRL.

"That was ridiculous and it shouldn't happen again," said the NRL source.

Gainey is currently negotiating a deal for Inglis at Brisbane.

Asked about managers trying to pinch players from other agents, one said: "There are some scummy agents out there trying to bad-mouth other managers.

"Don't try it with me."



licky

 

[madunit]

Agents are parasites and a blight on this game. The sooner every agent is rounded up, beheaded and have every NRL fan piss down their neck, the better.

 

[Twizzle]

the players have enough spare time, maybe teach them how to read and write and actually negotiate their own contracts and get these parasites out of the game

 

[bileduct]

Have i missed a news article somewhere? Has a player manager been involved in the Storm being over the cap..

Jim Banaghan said in 2008 that the Storm had negotiated the contract one of his former agents to be outside of the salary cap.

Who was his agent? Cameron Smith.

They knew.

 

[The EELiminator]

Nope.

Have the player send it through themselves. (Surely they know how to use a fax or email?)

That way if anything happens we can be sure who knew about it. Obviously, if anamolies are found outside of the sent contract then we know the Club, player and manager all knew.

there is still a loophole there for shady dealings instead have a nrl offical present for ALL player contract signings they witness the signatures of the player, agent and club official then sign it themselves and make their own copy to file with the nrl

 

[thorson1987]

there is still a loophole there for shady dealings instead have a nrl offical present for ALL player contract signings they witness the signatures of the player, agent and club official then sign it themselves and make their own copy to file with the nrl

This is how it should be done.

 

[bartman]

Jim Banaghan said in 2008 that the Storm had negotiated the contract one of his former agents to be outside of the salary cap.

Who was his agent? Cameron Smith.

They knew.

Would LOVE to see a link to this story if you still have it

 

[bileduct]

Would LOVE to see a link to this story if you still have it

No problem.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24742113-23214,00.html

 

[badav]

the players have enough spare time, maybe teach them how to read and write and actually negotiate their own contracts and get these parasites out of the game

This is just completely unrealistic, before you even consider that many players sign deals before they turn 18.

 

[Gippsy]

No problem.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24742113-23214,00.html

Trust John bloody Ribot to have his fingerprints all over this. Fair dinkum, how is this bloke still involved in the game?

As far as contracts go I always thought it is the responsibility of the person signing a contract to read & understand what they are signing and their signature is in fact an acknowledgement that they have done this.

If a third party is involved, in this case a player manager, I would have thought his responsibility would be to inform the person signing the contract, ie the player, what it is they are signing.

For a footy contract it couldn't be that hard. Sign here Billy, as agreed you're getting $250k this year and $350k next year.

I really can't imagine how a player manager would explain to the player that he needs to sign 2 contracts, for differing amounts. Any manager involved with 2 contracts should be kicked out of the game, and the player should be quizzed a bit more closely about their level of knowledge.