Player strike

[DC_fan]

The game will never recover from an NRL players strike.

 

[ed-grimley]

Correct. They are entertainment and the people prepared to watch them has been on a downward trend.

Why?

I teckon it is the whole bullshit around exploding payments thetefore costs to attend, the rlpa shit and scheduling that had people sick of it.

In the workplace environment I worked in u went to your boss with ideas and a plan for execution. You won the remit and if u landed it you got more cash.

Here they are offering to help promote the game for a stake when they have no plan or strategyto make it better.

Infact they have nothing but them. So strike and kill the golden goose u pricks cause people will fill your arrogant gap quickly. The game cannot afford your claim right now. Sort out nrl hq first.

Fix the guys on unders and take it off the Smiths and Maloneys.

I think the game is fundamentally a good product but people are are turned off by the way it is run by the boofheads at the top.
I don't begrudge players making a decent living from the game considering the potential injuries and the relatively short time to make a living. It is unfortunate that the game is not moneyed up enough to pay them what they're worth. (Tomic just got 60G for not trying for an hour - this scumbag has probably earned more already than most League players will in their whole career)

 

[insert.pause]

A few weeks ago players sulked that the NRL misrepresented their proposal, yet yesterday they rightly conceded including leagues club grants, contra and digital in pooled revenue, something the NRL objected to as unreasonable.

Today we have them sulking that the NRL leaked that they walked out on the CBA negotiations. Yet they claim they didn't walk out and it was just that after the NRL rejected a revenue share model they "thought the meeting was over". A meeting that was scheduled in to last two days and which Doyle, among other ceos, travelled to Sydney to attend.

They claim that they just want to sit down and bargain a deal, yet publicly state "they won't budge" from 29% of the games total revenue and walk out on scheduled two day negotiations.

For every time they have declared they don't want to play it out publicly through the media they turn around and pull a stunt like hijacking the origin build up, wearing lame hats and making threats of industrial action.

 

[T-Boon]

Correct. They are entertainment and the people prepared to watch them has been on a downward trend.

Why?

I teckon it is the whole bullshit around exploding payments thetefore costs to attend, the rlpa shit and scheduling that had people sick of it.

In the workplace environment I worked in u went to your boss with ideas and a plan for execution. You won the remit and if u landed it you got more cash.

Here they are offering to help promote the game for a stake when they have no plan or strategyto make it better.

Infact they have nothing but them. So strike and kill the golden goose u pricks cause people will fill your arrogant gap quickly. The game cannot afford your claim right now. Sort out nrl hq first.

Fix the guys on unders and take it off the Smiths and Maloneys.

This is such gold, gonna have to go check out what else you have said.

 

[T-Boon]

The game will never recover from an NRL players strike.

I am convinced at this point the game needs a catastrophe in order to get back to evolving properly (like American football did - it didn't stop evolving until its rules where awesome).
RL struck a gold seam many years ago when it evolved from Rugby Union, but then it just stopped evolving and the gold seam has dried up.
At this point the game needs fundamental change but the thing it has going for it is the competition is lousy. AFL is well run but the game is crap. Rugby League at its best is way better than AFL or Rugby. We just need to find a set of rules where you see the game at its best way more than we presently do.

 

[TheDMC]

Ok, so you think $80k a year is "comfortable" eh? Especially when you work 6 days a week, and the average career length of an NRL player is 3 years?! Try and buy a house anywhere in Sydney on $80k a year and see what luck you have.

I've been thinking about moving to Sydney from Southeast Asia. How much in your opinion would one need to earn to be comfortable?

No way would I play professional rugby league unless I was going to get $200k plus a year (just to keep this post somewhat related to the topic).

 

[TheDMC]

Outside of cap payments include:

$100,000 - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 25 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each).

Well any club with decent corporate sponsorship would be maximizing this meaning an extra 100k for each top 25 player (wonder whether its per year?).

The players probably wouldn't see let alone touch any of the cars as they will be bought and sold systematically and instantly = 100k cash more or less (sold under their name).

 

[Perth Red]

They want a share of club revenue , not club profit..

In theory if say Roosters make $20 million revenue a year.. $13M grant and $7M sponsors / merch / members / LC grant

Players want 28% of the $7M..

They dont care if Roosters spend $21m a year..

Yeh that's my point, they want a slice of consolidated revenue, yet that revenue isn't enough to pay the bills as it is so where do they think the money will come from? I can see why they are going hard for more, after 5 years of watching the commission and clubs pss the games wealth up the wall they are probably thinking they may as well be pssing it into my pocket.

 

[Danish]

Outside of cap payments include:

$100,000 - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 25 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each).

Well any club with decent corporate sponsorship would be maximizing this meaning an extra 100k for each top 25 player (wonder whether its per year?).

The players probably wouldn't see let alone touch any of the cars as they will be bought and sold systematically and instantly = 100k cash more or less (sold under their name).

I think you'll find its $100K total spread across the top 25, and only on up to 5 cars.

So 5 players benefit from having their car's lease payments covered. Not really a huge deal

 

[Munted]

Correct. They are entertainment and the people prepared to watch them has been on a downward trend.

Why?

I teckon it is the whole bullshit around exploding payments thetefore costs to attend, the rlpa shit and scheduling that had people sick of it.

In the workplace environment I worked in u went to your boss with ideas and a plan for execution. You won the remit and if u landed it you got more cash.

Here they are offering to help promote the game for a stake when they have no plan or strategyto make it better.

Infact they have nothing but them. So strike and kill the golden goose u pricks cause people will fill your arrogant gap quickly. The game cannot afford your claim right now. Sort out nrl hq first.

Fix the guys on unders and take it off the Smiths and Maloneys.

Very well said.
You refined some points I was trying to make, thank you!

 

[big hit!]

The minimum salary for an NRL player is $80k. I think you're pretty comfortable on that. And when average players like Ben Hunt are earning $1.2M a year I don't think people can complain about their not being enough money.

80k is a joke.

AFL minimum salary is $88k for an 17/18-yo 1st round draft pick on a list of 40 players.

if you're that good to make it onto a 25 man roster for one of the 16 NRL clubs, you should be on 100k minimum. clubs already use several players from u20s brought in outside the 25 man roster who get paid peanuts.

 

[OldPanther]

$80,000 is around the average wage in Aus. As the minimum wage that's fine.

 

[big hit!]

$80,000 is around the average wage in Aus. As the minimum wage that's fine.

but if you make a 25-man NRL roster, you're kind of elite at what you do. 25 x 16 = 400 players. I'd say the 400th highest earning accountant or 400th highest earning plumber in Oz is making far more than 80k.

 

[Front-Rower]

but if you make a 25-man NRL roster, you're kind of elite at what you do. 25 x 16 = 400 players. I'd say the 400th highest earning accountant or 400th highest earning plumber in Oz is making far more than 80k.

If you make the top 25 and are regularly playing NSW/QLD cup you are only on the roster as a necessity, not because you're at first grade standard.

 

[Munted]

but if you make a 25-man NRL roster, you're kind of elite at what you do. 25 x 16 = 400 players. I'd say the 400th highest earning accountant or 400th highest earning plumber in Oz is making far more than 80k.

What stopped any of these players from deciding to be a plumber?
They could be self employed, keeping far more than 29% of business revenue in their own pocket if they did do that.
Similar story for accountants.

Silly comparison.

The players are free to break apart and attempt to create their own league where they pocket all of the money.
Best of luck to all of those involved.

 

[DC_fan]

I am convinced at this point the game needs a catastrophe in order to get back to evolving properly (like American football did - it didn't stop evolving until its rules where awesome).
RL struck a gold seam many years ago when it evolved from Rugby Union, but then it just stopped evolving and the gold seam has dried up.
At this point the game needs fundamental change but the thing it has going for it is the competition is lousy. AFL is well run but the game is crap. Rugby League at its best is way better than AFL or Rugby. We just need to find a set of rules where you see the game at its best way more than we presently do.

I am not sure that in general the rules of the game are the problem.

 

[T-Boon]

I am not sure that in general the rules of the game are the problem.

The ten metre rule is a disaster and needs to be changed.
It is responsible for the ruck problems we have now such as wrestling and arbitrary penalties and the general issue that speed of the play the ball is easily the most important/influential thing in the game - yet something no fan really cares about. Its not good for a game to be decided by things fans dont care about.
The other thing wrong with 10 metres is all the free territory a team gets gifted for essentially playing safety first boring football.

 

[beave]

Outside of cap payments include:

$100,000 - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 25 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each).

Well any club with decent corporate sponsorship would be maximizing this meaning an extra 100k for each top 25 player (wonder whether its per year?).

The players probably wouldn't see let alone touch any of the cars as they will be bought and sold systematically and instantly = 100k cash more or less (sold under their name).

Did you even read the shit you posted?

5 cars max for the top 25 players.

 

[DiegoNT]

Id assume that with a price tag under $20k, most clubs would give cars to young and upcoming players to help them out. I can't quite imagine Sam Burgess or JT driving around in a Kia Rio

 

[TheVelourFog]

AFL is well run but the game is crap.

yet is just as, if not more, popular than Rugby League

why?

you can stick your head in the sand and blame media, the CEO etc whatever

or just accept Rugby League is a niche sport with a few million fans that has reached its ceiling

which we happen to enjoy