PNG v England in Perth

[roughyedspud]

I wouldn't consider any game involving England to be a minor one. There could be 3-4000 English fans coming over

hopefulyl you can double that number mate

alot of brit backed out of doing the tri nations or only did a couple of games because of the travelling between OZ & NZ every week for a month so hopefully people will have saved plenty of cash to blow on a proper tour..i know i have

with the announcement tomorrow hopefull the "buzz" will start.

 

[yosh64]

we're all getting a bit carried away here, all from third hand information. It's just a rumour, coz i'm pretty certain Brisbane won't be hosting the final.

Well im pretty sure that since they are having a press conference at suncorp stadium tomorrow about the world cup we may find that its not a rumour and that it is going to go to suncorp.

I think some games need to be played in certain places, so as to take advantage of demographics.

So in perth as they have a large NZ and English population;
Eng v NZ
Aus v Minnow
and maybe PNG v England

Melb have a large NZ population
Aus v NZ
NZ v Minnow

Townsville
PNG v Fiji
PNG v another minnow

Parramatta Stadium assuming Lebanon qualify
lebanese v anyone

and also matches involving Tonga or Fiji

Telstra or SFS
Aus v Eng

Central Coast/Wollongong
matches involving minnows

Suncorp
Games that include Auz or Eng or NZ or France

Not sure about putting any games into Adelaide

 

[yosh64]

I wouldn't consider any game involving England to be a minor one. There could be 3-4000 English fans coming over with any luck with about the same number of ex-pats. Add to that the local fans and they should draw be the biggest crowds outside the Australian games. The best way to esnure that isn't the case is make it harder for English fans to attend and sending them to Perth is a good example.
As for the real minor games, there will be far more Tongan and Samoan people in Sydney than there will be in Perth or even Canberra or Townsville for that matter. If this World Cup was going to be well run and well promoted I would be confident of getting big crowds anywhere in Australia for any game involving any teams, like the RUWC did. But it has become increasingly clear this WC won't be well organised. The format is terrible, the lack of any formal announcements or launch before now is a bad sign and the way the ARL has neglected to promote even the Anzac Test is another concern. We can't even be sure people in RL strongholds like Newcastle and Townsville will support this WC, let alone places like Perth.

Your being a bit harsh mate. We cant expect to be held up to the RUWC, they have so much more money and experience in running it. They have more teams and more teams from areas with stronger local comps. League has a comp in Aus and a comp in Eng and sorta one in NZ. So its not like we can expect as many supporters to fly over here like they did for the union wc.
Also the same thing was being said about union as not many people seemed interested in it. But they didnt stress cause they new that many Australians wouldnt get into it until a week or two out. Yes they need to be a bit more organised but its not all bad yet. If we started advertising now people would forget about it within a couple of months. Union was advertising early so that they could sell tickets early (but they found out that people bought their tickets much closer to the cup starting).

Im sure you will see people getting behind it in league areas once it gets closer. 17months out is a little early to start worrying. Just remember league is a minnow when it comes to world cups, dont compare us to union cup yet, lets get through this one and see if we can improve.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Well im pretty sure that since they are having a press conference at suncorp stadium tomorrow about the world cup we may find that its not a rumour and that it is going to go to suncorp.

I think some games need to be played in certain places, so as to take advantage of demographics.

So in perth as they have a large NZ and English population;
Eng v NZ
Aus v Minnow
and maybe PNG v England

Melb have a large NZ population
Aus v NZ
NZ v Minnow

Townsville
PNG v Fiji
PNG v another minnow

Parramatta Stadium assuming Lebanon qualify
lebanese v anyone

and also matches involving Tonga or Fiji

Telstra or SFS
Aus v Eng

Central Coast/Wollongong
matches involving minnows

Suncorp
Games that include Auz or Eng or NZ or France

Not sure about putting any games into Adelaide

There will be only 12 preliminary games under this format, three involving Australia, and you want to take three games to Perth, including one Australian game. If somewhere like Perth gets more games than Newcastle, Townsville or the Gold Coast the organisers should be shot.

I might be pesimistic but I have good reason to be. The RLIF started aiming low when they made this a 10 team tournament and refused to take games to NZ or PNG.

 

[deluded pom?]

Wasn't the first RLWC in 1954? 33 years before the first RUWC.

 

[yosh64]

There will be only 12 preliminary games under this format, three involving Australia, and you want to take three games to Perth, including one Australian game. If somewhere like Perth gets more games than Newcastle, Townsville or the Gold Coast the organisers should be shot.

I might be pesimistic but I have good reason to be. The RLIF started aiming low when they made this a 10 team tournament and refused to take games to NZ or PNG.

Sorry my games were options. I wasnt suggesting that every game i wrote down should be played in those places. Just if those games happen, the cities i wrote should be looked at.

Also didnt know what the match schedule was and how many games were being played by each team. My point is that games should be played where the population demographics can provide supporters, ie, parramatta could attrack lebanese supporters due to the area having people whose ancestry comes from there. PNG close to townsville

 

[nadera78]

I'm desperate to head over to Australia for the 2008 RLWC and cheer on England, and also catch a few other games as well.

But tbh, if they go with the ridiculous 'power group' that everyone is talking about then I will probably reconsider my plans. To spend 6 weeks touring Oz watching RL will cost an awful lot of money, and seeing as I'm not wealthy I'll have to seriously be able to justify the whole thing to my girlfriend (and my bank manager!). Travelling over for a farcical tournament is not an option. I think other Brits will think along similar lines, the RLIF need to get this one right of they want people to fully support it.

 

[mattystans000]

An Example of what we should see

Round 1:

Aus v Eng - Suncorp
NZ v Lebanon - Mt. Smart
Fra v Fij - Newcastle
Ton v Wal - WIN
Ire v PNG - Townsville

Round 2:

Aus v Lebanon - Aussie
Eng v NZ - Perth
Fij v Ire - Gosford
PNG v Ton - Newcastle
Fra v Wal - Canberra

Round 3:

Aus v NZ - Melbourne
Eng v Lebanon - Suncorp
Fra v Ire - WIN
PNG v Wal - Townsville
Ton v Fij - Gosford

Semi Final Play Off:

Pool A Winner (Fra) v Pool B Winner (PNG) - Suncorp

Semi Finals:

1 (Aus) v 4 (Fra) - Melbourne
2 (Eng) v 3 (NZ) - Aussie

RLWC Final:

Aus v Eng/NZ - Suncorp

 

[herbert henry1908]

good on brisabne for getting the final ( very likely) but they shouldnt get the opening game too.I dont think it will surprise anyone if our government has been out bid for yet another major event.

If the organisers dont have one of these two games in sydney it will be a disgrace.

 

[yosh64]

An Example of what we should see

Round 1:

Aus v Eng - Suncorp
NZ v Lebanon - Mt. Smart
Fra v Fij - Newcastle
Ton v Wal - WIN
Ire v PNG - Townsville

Round 2:

Aus v Lebanon - Aussie
Eng v NZ - Perth
Fij v Ire - Gosford
PNG v Ton - Newcastle
Fra v Wal - Canberra

Round 3:

Aus v NZ - Melbourne
Eng v Lebanon - Suncorp
Fra v Ire - WIN
PNG v Wal - Townsville
Ton v Fij - Gosford

Semi Final Play Off:

Pool A Winner (Fra) v Pool B Winner (PNG) - Suncorp

Semi Finals:

1 (Aus) v 4 (Fra) - Melbourne
2 (Eng) v 3 (NZ) - Aussie

RLWC Final:

Aus v Eng/NZ - Suncorp

Good stuff. If that was the way it would happen id think we would have a fairly successful cup. Although you now need to add in one match at robina (according to the press release today).

 

[yosh64]

Well here are the options for Perth

England v PNG - 26/10/08

or

England v New Zealand - 08/11/08

 

[brendothejet]

i reckon they will get the PNG game...

ENG v NZ will be in Melbourne

 

[yosh64]

i reckon they will get the PNG game...

ENG v NZ will be in Melbourne

Really how big a crowd do you reckon melbourne will get. Its not like they're a league town. Surely they'd only really get behind the Auz team. And im not sure if melb has a large eng expat population. Whereas perth has both eng and nz expats.

I just reckon that if we treat other states as 2nd rate and only provide them with smaller matches then it will always be difficult to expand the game. Give an Auz match to melb and the eng v nz to perth. Im sure we would get a big crowd to the 2nd aus match (against eng) in melb. It might not be right but thats just my opinion.

 

[brendothejet]

melbourne will get more than one game i believe....

time for the victorians to show us if they really are the sporting capital of the world...

 

[Titanic]

World Cup, Shmorld Cup - when you look at the "minnows'" games, the draw and the distances why not put a game each in Port Moresby, Suva etc and give something to those nations which could well put themselves on the League map given some slightly higher than token support?

It makes me puke when I read about the Lebanon Team (nothing against a truly national "no-smoke or mirrors" rep side from Beirut) when I consider all the effort that's gone into the Kumuls only to see PNG left out of if because of their strange inability to administer themselves. The AFL have a fully funded development officer in-country whilst the PNGRFL volunteer national coach lives off-shore. Friggin' rubbish.

If PNG is to continue to be the 5th test playing country then how the about IRL getting serious? No I am not a Papua New Guinean but I do believe that since they have had League as their national sport nearly since its introduction there in 1950 they deserve better than "scraps". Similarly the other South Pacific Nations - since the great Super League war promised them all so much but they ended up with nada. Colonial attitudes and Melansian/Polynesian ways are a difficult mix.

Whew - now that I've written all that, we know that the final will be in Brisbane - what does that say about the "heartland" of Australian Rugby League? Does it mean that Queensland has overtaken their traditional rival in the power stakes or that the largely toothless ARL is trying to get away from the NRL Big Brother mind-set?

 

[yosh64]

World Cup, Shmorld Cup - when you look at the "minnows'" games, the draw and the distances why not put a game each in Port Moresby, Suva etc and give something to those nations which could well put themselves on the League map given some slightly higher than token support?

It makes me puke when I read about the Lebanon Team (nothing against a truly national "no-smoke or mirrors" rep side from Beirut) when I consider all the effort that's gone into the Kumuls only to see PNG left out of if because of their strange inability to administer themselves. The AFL have a fully funded development officer in-country whilst the PNGRFL volunteer national coach lives off-shore. Friggin' rubbish.

If PNG is to continue to be the 5th test playing country then how the about IRL getting serious? No I am not a Papua New Guinean but I do believe that since they have had League as their national sport nearly since its introduction there in 1950 they deserve better than "scraps". Similarly the other South Pacific Nations - since the great Super League war promised them all so much but they ended up with nada. Colonial attitudes and Melansian/Polynesian ways are a difficult mix.

Whew - now that I've written all that, we know that the final will be in Brisbane - what does that say about the "heartland" of Australian Rugby League? Does it mean that Queensland has overtaken their traditional rival in the power stakes or that the largely toothless ARL is trying to get away from the NRL Big Brother mind-set?

Cant put the game into those countries, it would get crowds but no money (smaller stadiums, lower ticket prices and then the exchange rate would remove any profit). The cup has to make money or else it wont happen again. If you put 1st world prices in a 2nd/3rd world country you wont get crowds (ie, cricket world cup).

Look its not perfect but if this cup makes a profit hopefully they can use that to put development officers into the minnow nations and they can get better. Everyone can see where it can be better but we just cant expect to start the cup and it will be like the soccer or union world cup immediately.

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

yosh i dont mean to be a smart arse, but there was no mention of putting matches in 2nd world countries? :?

 

[yosh64]

Nah thats fine man. The first paragraph in titanics post hes says to put a game into port morseby and suva.

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

Nah thats fine man. The first paragraph in titanics post hes says to put a game into port morseby and suva.

yeah those are 3rd world...