PNG's back.

[Colk]

Maybe broaden ur experiences

What because I don’t have a collection of close friends who follow fumbleball?

 

[Pippen94]

What because I don’t have a collection of close friends who follow fumbleball?

..wouldn't hurt. Always like reading opinion from those who know & have seen the world.

 

[Colk]

..wouldn't hurt. Always like reading opinion from those who know & have seen the world.

My experiences are quite broad but thanks for your concern.

Btw you should listen to people who have travelled and experienced other cultures. You might learn not to be hung up on something that happened nearly 30 years ago

 

[Bukowski]

My experiences are quite broad but thanks for your concern.

Btw you should listen to people who have travelled and experienced other cultures. You might learn not to be hung up on something that happened nearly 30 years ago

It's weird that superleague is still living in peoples minds.

 

[Pippen94]

My experiences are quite broad but thanks for your concern.

Btw you should listen to people who have travelled and experienced other cultures. You might learn not to be hung up on something that happened nearly 30 years ago

Doubt it, but I'm not going to go down path of attacking ppl like u do.

Don't even think about superleague until reading about reds reentering comp or a 2nd brisbane team representing all of Brisbane.
Expansion should model dolphins because they've been an overwhelming success - is that recent enough for you?!

 

[Pippen94]

It's weird that superleague is still living in peoples minds.

..lol, like the bloke named after Perth super league team?!!

 

[Colk]

Doubt it, but I'm not going to go down path of attacking ppl like u do.

Don't even think about superleague until reading about reds reentering comp or a 2nd brisbane team representing all of Brisbane.
Expansion should model dolphins because they've been an overwhelming success - is that recent enough for you?!

Like how you just did in this post or in the next post or the original post where you assumed that I’m not wise or worldly because I don’t socialise with fumbleball fans. What do you call them?

I’m not arguing that the Dolphins aren’t going well. Good on them. But there have been multiple clubs created from the model that you are criticising that have worked just fine - NQ Cowboys, Canberra Raiders, Newcastle Knights, Melbourne Storm, Brisbane Broncos. Warriors. They weren’t second tier clubs.

 

[Pippen94]

Like how you just did in this post or in the next post or the original post where you assumed that I’m not wise or worldly because I don’t socialise with fumbleball fans. What do you call them?

I’m not arguing that the Dolphins aren’t going well. Good on them. But there have been multiple clubs created from the model that you are criticising that have worked just fine - NQ Cowboys, Canberra Raiders, Newcastle Knights, Melbourne Storm, Brisbane Broncos. Warriors. They weren’t second tier clubs.

..there's no second city team without a geographical point of difference which has had success.

 

[Colk]

..there's no second city team without a geographical point of difference which has had success.

Moving the goalposts are we?

 

[Pippen94]

Moving the goalposts are we?

No

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Since the tv deal news ltd have been supportive of whatever Vlandys has done. Cant kill the goose that lays the golden egg!

It's called having a good relationship with a partner, crucial in business. Better than being at war with them like most of the last two decades.

 

[Colk]

No

That is exactly moving the goalposts. I showed you plenty of examples of clubs where a new brand was created and which weren’t born from some second grade competition. In fact that is pretty much how a lot of other sports operate as well and quite successfully too.

You don’t need to be born from some second grade competition for a new club to work.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

As an AFL troll you would have fantasies of NRL fans crying about their lack of expansion.

You're a headcase and need psychiatric help.

These conspiracy theories of yours just aren't normal.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

But there have been multiple clubs created from the model that you are criticising that have worked just fine - NQ Cowboys, Canberra Raiders, Newcastle Knights, Melbourne Storm, Brisbane Broncos. Warriors. They weren’t second tier clubs.

This is complete revisionist bullshit that requires the reader to perform all sorts of mental gymnastics to make sense of it.

Cowboys and Reds went bust in 1995 because their business models weren't sustainable. It's why they signed with News Ltd. It tool the Cowboys a decade to become sutainable.

Knights were broke from day one and required assistance from the NSWRL. The club was penniless when Tinkler left the joint. They were bailed out by a Newcastle Rugby League club.

Storm were propped up by News Ltd for 15-20 years. Without assistant from News Ltd they would have folded.

Warriors went bust in 1999.

Weren't the Raiders a financial basketcase in their early 80s?

Broncos are the only example that have been an overwhelming success from day one.

 

[Colk]

This is complete revisionist bullshit that requires the reader to perform all sorts of mental gymnastics to make sense of it.

Cowboys and Reds went bust in 1995 because their business models weren't sustainable. It's why they signed with News Ltd. It tool the Cowboys a decade to become sutainable.

Knights were broke from day one and required assistance from the NSWRL. The club was penniless when Tinkler left the joint. They were bailed out by a Newcastle Rugby League club.

Storm were propped up by News Ltd for 15-20 years. Without assistant from News Ltd they would have folded.

Warriors went bust in 1999.

Weren't the Raiders a financial basketcase in their early 80s?

Broncos are the only example that have been an overwhelming success from day one.

So you are suggesting that the other ‘model’ has worked better are you? How many rugby league clubs in Sydney or Brisbane have gone bust over the years? You know the ones that rose organically from some second tier competition.

The common thread is that rugby league clubs went bust financially not because their branding didn’t take or that they came from a second tier competition. We expanded too quickly in the 1980’s and 1990’s and the game didn’t have the money it does now. It has little to no relevance anymore.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So you are suggesting that the other ‘model’ has worked better are you? How many rugby league clubs in Sydney or Brisbane have gone bust over the years? You know the ones that rose organically from some second tier competition.

The common thread is that rugby league clubs went bust financially not because their branding didn’t take or that they came from a second tier competition. We expanded too quickly in the 1980’s and 1990’s and the game didn’t have the money it does now. It has little to no relevance anymore.

I agree about the game expanding too quickly. I disagree at out the game having enough resources to expand quickly right now.

There aren't enough resources to expand into Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth within the next 10 years. Melbourne is still reliant on SEQ for talent and commercial viability. Adding Perth will weaken them on both fronts. We've already got Perth Red whinging about the Dolphins looking to provide pathways for juniors from Sunshine Coast. He wants the Pirates to bludge off a Queensland Cup team for juniors. He has no qualms about Perth taking an affiliate club away from the Broncos, Dolphins, Cowboys and Titans, but cracks the shits when the Storm are at risk of losing one or two. His worst nightmare is losing the Falcons to the Dolphins and the Brisbane Tigers getting an NRL licence.

 

[Pippen94]

That is exactly moving the goalposts. I showed you plenty of examples of clubs where a new brand was created and which weren’t born from some second grade competition. In fact that is pretty much how a lot of other sports operate as well and quite successfully too.

You don’t need to be born from some second grade competition for a new club to work.

No. Perth red back on his redcliffe was wrong choice kick & firehawks should've been 2nd brissy team.

 

[Colk]

No. Perth red back on his redcliffe was wrong choice kick & firehawks should've been 2nd brissy team.

Did I mention Perth Red in my post? I don’t see the relevance.

 

[Pippen94]

Did I mention Perth Red in my post? I don’t see the relevance.

Just relates to ongoing conversation happening in this thread that's all..

 

[Colk]

I agree about the game expanding too quickly. I disagree at out the game having enough resources to expand quickly right now.

There aren't enough resources to expand into Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth within the next 10 years. Melbourne is still reliant on SEQ for talent and commercial viability. Adding Perth will weaken them on both fronts. We've already got Perth Red whinging about the Dolphins looking to provide pathways for juniors from Sunshine Coast. He wants the Pirates to bludge off a Queensland Cup team for juniors. He has no qualms about Perth taking an affiliate club away from the Broncos, Dolphins, Cowboys and Titans, but cracks the shits when the Storm are at risk of losing one or two. His worst nightmare is losing the Falcons to the Dolphins and the Brisbane Tigers getting an NRL licence.

I didn’t make the argument that they would automatically expand too quickly in the future. I think adding four teams at once was nuts and you would think that as long as you took the lessons from that you wouldn’t do it again. Learn from history but don’t be dictated by it so to speak. Expanding the competition to 20 teams by say 10-15 years is achievable.

I would suggest that you have to eventually get to the point that you have to expand to major markets. I would think Perth is one, I’m not so sold on Adelaide particularly against another QLD or NZ side. You have to do this to maximise the growth.

Lastly I don’t care about what other posters say. You seem obsessed by one or two posters.