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Perth Red

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New money from the png govt

It’s around 130 million to be precise

I’m still baffled what the 54 million pa from the feds will be used for

It may well be it covers the nrl grant of 17.5 million for ten years as you’ve suggested
I doubt it, part of the pressure on upping the feds money was the cost of building the players compound after nq torpedoed the cairns idea. PNG budget it’s screwed and reliant on loans each year, hard to see them finding $150mill on top of their current deficits.

its $38millx4 according to that article.

id suggest it’s the $150mill quoted in that article for the training facilities and whatever else that is going to
$60mill bribe to the clubs
$200mill to nrl to make it cost neutral in club payment
rest to grassroots
(and new condos for the pollies)

I wonder of there is chartered flight money in the budget as well? Wouldn’t imagine flights in and out of Port Moresby are plentiful?
 
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Wb1234

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I doubt it, part of the pressure on upping the feds money was the cost of building the players compound after nq torpedoed the cairns idea. PNG budget it’s screwed and reliant on loans each year, hard to see them finding $150mill on top of their current deficits.

its $38millx4 according to that article.

id suggest it’s the $150mill quoted in that article for the training facilities and whatever else that is going to
$60mill bribe to the clubs
$200mill to nrl to make it cost neutral in club payment
rest to grassroots
(and new condos for the pollies)

I wonder of there is chartered flight money in the budget as well? Wouldn’t imagine flights in and out of Port Moresby are plentiful?
“In an exclusive interview, PNG’s Foreign Minister Justin Tkatchenko said the government in Port Moresby had also set aside 100 million kina ($38 million) in its budget next year to begin building facilities for the new team including a high-performance centre at the national stadium and a secure accommodation village. A further 300 million kina has been allocated for three following years.”
 

Perth Red

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“In an exclusive interview, PNG’s Foreign Minister Justin Tkatchenko said the government in Port Moresby had also set aside 100 million kina ($38 million) in its budget next year to begin building facilities for the new team including a high-performance centre at the national stadium and a secure accommodation village. A further 300 million kina has been allocated for three following years.”
Yes we saw it first time.
$38mill a year for 4 years in their budget.
but that money has to be in the budget, it’s probably coming from the pot to the png govt to fund the Infrastructure projects.
 

Wb1234

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Yes we saw it first time.
$38mill a year for 4 years in their budget.
but that money has to be in the budget, it’s probably coming from the pot to the png govt to fund the Infrastructure projects.
Why would you think that ?

It’s never been mentioned that the Aussie govt money would be going directly to the png govt

Really puts the wa govts position into a stark contrast given how miserly they are and have a surplus over 3 billion
 

İzmir Zaferi

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Clearly this is all going ahead but I have a simple crowd concern.

The stadium in Port Moresby is too small for the NRL. 20 thousand, maybe but 15 thousand is
actually below what should be allowed. The NRL and WA gov have talked about upgrading Perth to
27 thousand and Port Moresby is just 15 thousand. The corners atleast should be filled in. (ps. same complaint about Dolphins in Redcliffe - it needs to be atleast 20)

Most importantly, for all the hype, Port Moresby has NOT sold out for NRL trials or games against
local opposition.

There was claims about being sold out for the last PM's but there were evidently plently of seats in areasdespite the stadium holding only 15 thousand.

Now, the reality is that the cost of tickets may be prohibitive however I honestly would not
allow PNG to enter unless they can show ticket / membership sales interest (full season) A supposed
RL hotbed like PNG should be looking at 20 thousand minimum, even if they were to recognise the difficulty in the
economy and have them really really cheap.

A full stadium each home game in Port Moresby will be a television spectable, a dinky stadium part full will be a problem.
 

Perth Red

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Why would you think that ?

It’s never been mentioned that the Aussie govt money would be going directly to the png govt

Really puts the wa govts position into a stark contrast given how miserly they are and have a surplus over 3 billion
Where do you think some of the money is going? Media reported the nrl had asked the Feds to pay for the players compound and training centre.
 

Pippen94

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Clearly this is all going ahead but I have a simple crowd concern.

The stadium in Port Moresby is too small for the NRL. 20 thousand, maybe but 15 thousand is
actually below what should be allowed. The NRL and WA gov have talked about upgrading Perth to
27 thousand and Port Moresby is just 15 thousand. The corners atleast should be filled in. (ps. same complaint about Dolphins in Redcliffe - it needs to be atleast 20)

Most importantly, for all the hype, Port Moresby has NOT sold out for NRL trials or games against
local opposition.

There was claims about being sold out for the last PM's but there were evidently plently of seats in areasdespite the stadium holding only 15 thousand.

Now, the reality is that the cost of tickets may be prohibitive however I honestly would not
allow PNG to enter unless they can show ticket / membership sales interest (full season) A supposed
RL hotbed like PNG should be looking at 20 thousand minimum, even if they were to recognise the difficulty in the
economy and have them really really cheap.

A full stadium each home game in Port Moresby will be a television spectable, a dinky stadium part full will be a problem.

Why does stadium need to be 20k?! Gate in PNG is going to irrelevant. Federal funding supports club.
 

AlwaysGreen

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Why does stadium need to be 20k?! Gate in PNG is going to irrelevant. Federal funding supports club.
Because dopey they are meant to be heading towards self resilience after 10 years.

Putting your hand out for government funding isn't self resilience it's being a dole bludger or a greens voter.
 

Matt_CBY

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Clearly this is all going ahead but I have a simple crowd concern.

The stadium in Port Moresby is too small for the NRL. 20 thousand, maybe but 15 thousand is
actually below what should be allowed. The NRL and WA gov have talked about upgrading Perth to
27 thousand and Port Moresby is just 15 thousand. The corners atleast should be filled in. (ps. same complaint about Dolphins in Redcliffe - it needs to be atleast 20)

Most importantly, for all the hype, Port Moresby has NOT sold out for NRL trials or games against
local opposition.

There was claims about being sold out for the last PM's but there were evidently plently of seats in areasdespite the stadium holding only 15 thousand.

Now, the reality is that the cost of tickets may be prohibitive however I honestly would not
allow PNG to enter unless they can show ticket / membership sales interest (full season) A supposed
RL hotbed like PNG should be looking at 20 thousand minimum, even if they were to recognise the difficulty in the
economy and have them really really cheap.

A full stadium each home game in Port Moresby will be a television spectable, a dinky stadium part full will be a problem.

you left Cronulla off your list.
 

Wb1234

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Wait till he watches a Cronulla home game
Where do you think some of the money is going? Media reported the nrl had asked the Feds to pay for the players compound and training centre.
Maybe pvl forced the png govt to pay for it

I’m going off the latest reports in the media

You think maybe the png govt can raise revenue by taxing those billion dollar mining companies for the money they make there ?
 

Rexxy

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Forget ping-pong. When competing with China, it’s rugby league diplomacy that matters​

Matthew Knott

December 7, 2024 — 5.00am
My grandfather loved me dearly, but I let him down in an important way. I never played rugby league. Pop believed that my build would make me an ideal second-rower. To his dismay, the rough-and-tumble of league held no appeal for his bookish grandson. Still, growing up in league-obsessed Newcastle, the sport was a fundamental thread in life’s fabric. Many of my childhood afternoons were spent watching the Newcastle Knights on the hill at what was then known as Marathon Stadium. Catching a glimpse of one of the Johns brothers at the supermarket was like seeing a rock star.
For Anthony Albanese, the sport has played an even more pivotal role in his life. “I came out of the womb with a red and green eye,” the prime minister said in an ABC radio interview last year. He has described growing up imbued with three key faiths: the South Sydney Rabbitohs, the Australian Labor Party and the Catholic Church. “People barrack for football teams because it gives them a sense of belonging,” he has explained. “Rugby league provides a point of reference to our families, our community and our culture.”
Illustration by Joe Benke

Illustration by Joe Benke
Rugby league, it turns out, can also be a tool of statecraft. Next week, Albanese will officially announce that a team from Papua New Guinea will enter the NRL from 2028. The announcement has been long foreshadowed, but will still arrive with the thud of a crash tackle. And a hefty price tag. Australian taxpayers will contribute $600 million over the next 10 years to support PNG’s entry into the NRL. Privately, senior government figures are hailing the deal as the nation’s most important ever soft diplomacy initiative, a way to cement an unbreakable bond between Australia and its closest neighbour.
While it will not say so publicly, the reason the Australian government has been determined to get the deal done quickly is clear: to curtail China’s energetic efforts to expand its clout in our region. “We are in a day-to-day knife fight with China for influence in the Pacific,” one government insider says.
This is not the first time sport and geopolitics have collided. In the early 1970s, so-called “ping-pong diplomacy” was widely credited for paving the way for Richard Nixon’s historic visit to Beijing and the normalisation of relations. Visits to China and the US by leading table tennis players from the respective nations showcased a friendlier side to a bilateral relationship that had been dominated by distrust and tension. Fifty years later, the US-China relationship is again marked by hostility, and the Pacific is on the front line of the rivalry between the superpowers.
“We’ve made no secret that there is a contest,” Pacific Minister Pat Conroy, a league lover from the Hunter, told me earlier this year. “We will continue our policy of using every lever of statecraft to deepen our relationship with the region.” While Beijing can pour money into infrastructure projects, Australia has cultural advantages it cannot match. Like a shared love of rugby league.
For PNG’s Prime Minister James Marape, entering the NRL is an achievement to savour. “Rugby league is our national sport,” explains Oliver Nobetau, a visiting fellow at the Lowy Institute think tank who spent most of his childhood in Port Moresby and has worked as a lawyer for the PNG government. “People live for the NRL season, they love the State of Origin. You will see kids on the street filling up plastic Coke bottles with whatever they can find and playing with that if they can’t get a ball.” In a nation with more than 800 living languages and where tribal violence remains a deadly reality, rugby league serves a crucial role in uniting PNG’s disparate communities.
I saw PNG’s obsession with league up close when I accompanied Albanese and Marape on a walk along the Kokoda Track in April. High in the mountains, we encountered barefoot kids strolling through the remote jungle wearing Manly Sea Eagles caps. During a rest stop at Hoi Village, Albanese threw around a footy with local kids whose spiral pass skills were mesmerising to watch.
Albanese and Marape discussed PNG’s NRL bid at length during the trek, in which they slept in tents and went without flushing toilets. Albanese returned home determined to get it over the line. It helped that he is close to NRL chairman Peter V’landys, who has been eager to extend rugby league’s reach beyond the east coast.
Less visible at the time were Beijing’s relentless efforts to deepen its presence in PNG. On the eve of Albanese’s Kokoda expedition, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi used a visit to Port Moresby to press Marape’s government to sign up to a bilateral policing deal. Alarmed Australian officials, a senior source later told me, “pulled out all the stops” to stop the deal from going ahead. It was shelved.
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and PNG counterpart James Marape discussed PNG’s NRL bid while walking the Kokoda Track in April.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and PNG counterpart James Marape discussed PNG’s NRL bid while walking the Kokoda Track in April.Dominic Lorrimer
Labor insiders have noted that while media coverage of PNG’s NRL bid has been mostly positive – even on talkback radio and in News Corp tabloids – it has not necessarily been so in the reader comment sections on major news websites. There, it’s common to find complaints from voters about why the government is paying for a Pacific rugby league team when many Australians are struggling to cope with the high cost of living. A typical example, from reader Brian on an article in this masthead this week: “$600 million for a PNG rugby team for 10 years? Meanwhile, Australians can’t afford to keep the lights on and are wondering where the lower energy bills they were promised are. Time to go, Albo.”
That’s why the government wants to frame the deal as an investment, not a handout. While $600 million sounds like a lot of money, the 10-year sum is less imposing when you remember the government spends about $2 billion on Pacific aid annually. Marape believes the rugby league team will deliver a significant economic boost to his nation, helping to make it less reliant on overseas assistance. Government insiders also compare the figure with the vast amounts spent on defence equipment. How much, they ask, would it cost Australia to fortify its defences if Beijing were to set up a military base in PNG?
For months there has been swirling speculation about whether the NRL announcement will be accompanied by an explicit pledge from PNG not to allow Chinese police or military forces to be based in the country.
PNG Foreign Minister Justin Tkatchenko delivered a forceful denial this week, telling my colleague Chris Barrett that the NRL announcement has “nothing to do with China”. Marape made a similar point, telling reporters: “The rugby league team comes on its own, and we look forward to pushing that thing through.”
Australian government officials, by contrast, insist there is a very much a security component to the rugby league agreement. We will see next week how the two sides square that circle.
Amid the excitement of the announcement, it is worth remembering that bold initiatives carry risk as well as opportunity. If the PNG team fails to perform on the field (despite being able to lure star players with tax-free salaries) or struggles financially, it would strain rather than enhance the bilateral relationship.
In a big week for Pacific diplomacy, the government is also set to announce that it has struck a landmark economic and security deal with Nauru and another Pacific country. Again, the clear intention is to limit China’s influence. Nauru alarmed Australian officials by switching diplomatic recognition from Taiwan to Beijing earlier this year.
Albanese has faced harsh criticism for going too soft on China in his public statements. “Meek and weak” is how former Japanese ambassador Shingo Yamagami characterises Albanese’s approachto Beijing. The prime minister counters that he has restored normal trading ties with China without making concessions on Australia’s core interests. And that he has done so while pursuing an energetic effort to ensure that Australia remains the security partner of choice in the Pacific. Next week’s PNG and Nauru announcements come after Albanese secured support in August for a Pacific-wide policing pact designed to sideline Beijing.
Indeed, the ultimate point of foreign policy is to expand Australia’s influence, not to grandstand. When it comes to competing with China in our region, kicking goals is more important than kicking up a stink.
Matthew Knott is the foreign affairs and national security correspondent for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age.
 

Rexxy

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Just nice to have it all laid out - the good and the bad. It’s funny. The other best league article was a 1000 word piece of well researched journalism was by (gasp) Paul Kent on Gambling. Too bad he spent the rest of his career dabbling in the dark stuff
 

BuffaloRules

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Just nice to have it all laid out - the good and the bad. It’s funny. The other best league article was a 1000 word piece of well researched journalism was by (gasp) Paul Kent on Gambling. Too bad he spent the rest of his career dabbling in the dark stuff

The guy that wrote the article on PNG is a foreign affairs specialist …. anot a league writer …unfortunately …

he is probably a bit better educated than Slothfield and Bulldog Ritchie
 

Pippen94

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Just nice to have it all laid out - the good and the bad. It’s funny. The other best league article was a 1000 word piece of well researched journalism was by (gasp) Paul Kent on Gambling. Too bad he spent the rest of his career dabbling in the dark stuff

Kent gets to the root of the problem
 

Pippen94

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Matthew Knott is the foreign affairs and national security correspondent for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age.

Ok, this is by a person who specialises in national security.. but what about all the NRL fans that subscribe to Joe Rogan & sky news & know this is already a disaster?!
 

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