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The Great Dane

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who's relocating ?
its a new Franchise with an old brand ... it'll work
The Bears aren't offering that, and have repeatedly stated that they won't accept it either.

If there's a "Perth Bears" side it'll be majority owned and operated by the Bears, and though the NRL side will be based in Perth it'll be run from Sydney and will play games in Sydney. That situation can't be allowed to eventuate in Perth or any of the other strategically important markets either.
 

Vibing

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The Bears aren't offering that, and have repeatedly stated that they won't accept it either.

If there's a "Perth Bears" side it'll be majority owned and operated by the Bears, and though the NRL side will be based in Perth it'll be run from Sydney and will play games in Sydney. That situation can't be allowed to eventuate in Perth or any of the other strategically important markets either.
says North Sydney
not the NRL
last time I checked they decide whats what ,

yes , North Sydney own the brand & have to agree for its use by another organisation

but when presented with the scenario that this is the only way they will see the bears logo & colours back in the codes premier comp in this country , I think they will see reason.
 

Wb1234

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The Bears aren't offering that, and have repeatedly stated that they won't accept it either.

If there's a "Perth Bears" side it'll be majority owned and operated by the Bears, and though the NRL side will be based in Perth it'll be run from Sydney and will play games in Sydney. That situation can't be allowed to eventuate in Perth or any of the other strategically important markets either.
Shame the arlc don’t agree with you
 

Centy Coast

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Thats exactly the feeling over here. Norths arnt some great brand that everyone wants to latch on to, They were always a bit of joke as a club. Couldnt survive rationalisation and couldnt even stay in a merger.
Norths moved to the Central Coast on their own accord, months and months of bad weather delayed Bluetongue Stadiums’ completion which led to the Bears downfall as they had to play most of their games away in Qld.
Imo the Bears only needed one game there and they would’ve survived.
When the merger with Manly happened, both North Sydney and Manly were struggling cash wise, Quantum CEO Max Delmege came with money at the 11th hour that saved Manly from going under.
The NRL ruled that if the merger failed that the Northern Eagles’ NRL licence would go to the Manly Warringah Sea Eagles.
Once that decision was made the merger was doomed, there was no way both Ken Arthurson and Bob Fulton were going to let that opportunity slip through their fingers especially with their influence within the ARL.
 
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Bukowski

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Norths moved to the Central Coast on their own accord, bad weather delayed Bluetongue Stadiums’ competition which was the Bears downfall.
Imo the Bears only needed one game there and they would’ve survived.
When the merger with Manly happened, both North Sydney and Manly were struggling cash wise, Quantum came with money at the 11th hour that saved Manly from going under.
The NRL ruled that if the merger failed that the Northern Eagles’ NRL licence would go to the Manly Warringah Sea Eagles.
Once that decision was made the merger was doomed, there was no way both Ken Arthurson and Bob Fulton were going to let that opportunity slip through their fingers especially with their influence within the ARL.
A strong club doesn't go bust because of bad weather.
 

Wb1234

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Pacifika bears, get on it baby. No reason they can’t be based at nso and fly to png for games, it makes total Vlandys sense.
Doesn’t bother me one bit

only issue is cairns fiji Tonga and samoa need games on top of png

I don’t mind the pirates brand it’s second to the dolphins
 

Pippen94

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With the early success of the Dolphins, should the NRL continue to expand the competition?

ARLC CEO Peter V’landys has confirmed the NRL’s interest in forming three more teams in the next decade, whilst pointing out a Papua New Guinea-Pasifika team as the most probable next destination.

Along with the PNG-Pasifika side, there is likely to be interest from a fifth Queensland team, a second New Zealand team and Perth.

SEN’s Matty Johns admitted that 20 teams is an unrealistic number at the moment but revealed where he’d like to see the NRL’s 18th side to be based.

“20 at the moment is too much, when we do expand, in my opinion, the first side that should come in is Pasifika,” Johns said on SEN 1170 The Round Up.

“When people say we have to go to Perth, my concern about going to Perth, is that one day the junior nursery will be there, will be strong and able to be sustained, in the meantime you’re going to be poaching from all these sides on the east coast, which lessens the competition.

“I think in a shorter period of time if you have a side representing Pasifika, you look at where the games gone, the amount of Pacific Island players in the competition, the impact they’re having, I think Pasifika is a must.

“I know the Australian Government, Anthony Albanese is desperate for Peter V’landys to bring in a Pasifika side, so they have a presence in the pacific… it’s around the presence of China in that region.

“By the sounds of things, they’re willing to fund a lot of this, on top of that there is just huge oil money in Papua New Guinea.”

Johns admitted expanding to 20 teams should have occurred in the 90s when the NRL didn’t have to fight with rugby union for the best players.

“I think 20 (teams) is too much at the moment, maybe a decade down the line we’ll get there,” Johns added.

Johns’ concerns stem from the depth of the current playing pool, stating that the expansion could have worked easier three decades ago before rugby union became a full-time professional sport.

“It (expansion) should have happened then (1993), a couple of things were important, rugby union was still amateur, at that point we were poaching some of the best international players.

“So, there was another pool to pick from, on top of that the English rugby league was played in the winter which let their best players come here and play in the off-season.”

There is no topic on which I'd rely on Matty John's opinion
 

The Great Dane

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says North Sydney
not the NRL
last time I checked they decide whats what ,

yes , North Sydney own the brand & have to agree for its use by another organisation

but when presented with the scenario that this is the only way they will see the bears logo & colours back in the codes premier comp in this country , I think they will see reason.
Giving up your most valuable asset for effectively nothing is not seeing reason...

They've repeatedly made it clear, both in words and actions, that they are only interested in lending their IP to an NRL side if they own and operate said side. They can't be allowed to own and operate an NRL side as they see fit in any of the strategic expansion markets, and they won't sell or give their IP away, and there's nothing you, the delusional sorts Bears fans whom have their heads up their own arses, a consortium in Perth or anywhere else, even the NRL and ARLC, can really do to change that.
Shame the arlc don’t agree with you
None of us have the faintest idea what the members of the ARLC's actual opinions are on anything, let alone the Bears, until they come out and say it.

I can say this though; if they think they're going to be able to get the Bears to willingly give up their IP then they're as foolish as you.
 

Wb1234

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Giving up your most valuable asset for effectively nothing is not seeing reason...

They've repeatedly made it clear, both in words and actions, that they are only interested in lending their IP to an NRL side if they own and operate said side. They can't be allowed to own and operate an NRL side as they see fit in any of the strategic expansion markets, and they won't sell or give their IP away, and there's nothing you, the delusional sorts Bears fans whom have their heads up their own arses, a consortium in Perth or anywhere else, even the NRL and ARLC, can really do to change that.

None of us have the faintest idea what the members of the ARLC's actual opinions are on anything, let alone the Bears, until they come out and say it.

I can say this though; if they think they're going to be able to get the Bears to willingly give up their IP then they're as foolish as you.
Quotes from vlandys

bears will get a percentage of ownership and one game at nso

and lile the dolphins will be a stunning success
 

Pippen94

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Giving up your most valuable asset for effectively nothing is not seeing reason...

They've repeatedly made it clear, both in words and actions, that they are only interested in lending their IP to an NRL side if they own and operate said side. They can't be allowed to own and operate an NRL side as they see fit in any of the strategic expansion markets, and they won't sell or give their IP away, and there's nothing you, the delusional sorts Bears fans whom have their heads up their own arses, a consortium in Perth or anywhere else, even the NRL and ARLC, can really do to change that.

None of us have the faintest idea what the members of the ARLC's actual opinions are on anything, let alone the Bears, until they come out and say it.

I can say this though; if they think they're going to be able to get the Bears to willingly give up their IP then they're as foolish as you.

We don't know what decisions arlc will make, but we know you'll be upset by them
 

Pippen94

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Eh?
'Difference being Perth will bring them revenue, PNG wont beyond whatever Govt of the day is willing to stump up. '

That will cover cost of the club, but thats not helping close the $150mill gap with AFL. To do that needs Australian metro city reach and new markets that will get Australian tv excitied. Games in PNG/NZ wont be doing that.


lol that doesnt even cover cost of a club! Would need to be $30mill plus a year forever to make it worthwhile. Why it is unlikely to happen.

A lot of assumptions. Metro causes gap in broadcast rights is false. Demo's & branding more important. Assumption Perth team will create revenue also. Just as likely if not more team will need NRL to bail out at some point
 

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